MicroBalrog
July 28, 2003, 05:35 PM
With all the chainsaw-wielding maniacs in the movies, one wonders - can you actually use one for CQC/Self-Defense?
/me has never held a chainsaw before...:(
/me has never held a chainsaw before...:(
Defensive Chainsaw?
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MicroBalrog
July 28, 2003, 05:37 PM
Them mods are sure quick...
Thanks for moving it, people!
Thanks for moving it, people!
Kevlarman
July 28, 2003, 05:39 PM
Maybe, if you were quick and went for the head/limbs. Chainsaw operators usually wear Kevlar chaps, which jams the blade and keeps you from cutting your leg off. I assume the body armor worn by LEO would serve the same purpose.
Tamara
July 28, 2003, 05:40 PM
Not very efficiently. In addition to being heavy and awkwardly balanced, they have a fair amount of gyroscopic resistance to fast changes of direction in certain axes.
Most importantly, a chainsaw cuts by means of extended contact with its circulating chain (it will only cut as fast as the chain can carry material out of the way, parallel to the cutting surface) unlike a standard edged weapon which slices into something by displacing material perpendicularly from its edge.
Most importantly, a chainsaw cuts by means of extended contact with its circulating chain (it will only cut as fast as the chain can carry material out of the way, parallel to the cutting surface) unlike a standard edged weapon which slices into something by displacing material perpendicularly from its edge.
TallPine
July 28, 2003, 05:44 PM
Most importantly, a chainsaw cuts by means of extended contact with its circulating chain (it will only cut as fast as the chain can carry material out of the way, parallel to the cutting surface) unlike a standard edged weapon which slices into something by displacing material perpendicularly from its edge.
Your experience must all be with dull saw chains, which are of course the most common kind.
:D
I did a lot of loggging back in my young and healthy days.
Flesh is not near as hard as even soft pine.
I sure don't want to be on the receiving end.
Your experience must all be with dull saw chains, which are of course the most common kind.
:D
I did a lot of loggging back in my young and healthy days.
Flesh is not near as hard as even soft pine.
I sure don't want to be on the receiving end.
Mike Irwin
July 28, 2003, 05:50 PM
What sort of tactical accessories should be added to the chainsaw ensemble?
Correia
July 28, 2003, 05:51 PM
I've done enough chainsaw work that I know there are a lot of other things I would want first. :)
I sure would hate to get hit by one though.
I sure would hate to get hit by one though.
Tamara
July 28, 2003, 05:55 PM
I wouldn't want to get popped by even a dull chainsaw, but an axe/sword cuts by impact.
Out of curiousity, would you be able to lop off, say, a 2" limb with one of those larger saws by swinging the saw at it (fast enough that the limb couldn't get out of the way, if trees could do that sort of thing ;) ) and pop through it with no noticeable delay in the swing the way you could with, say, an axe?
Out of curiousity, would you be able to lop off, say, a 2" limb with one of those larger saws by swinging the saw at it (fast enough that the limb couldn't get out of the way, if trees could do that sort of thing ;) ) and pop through it with no noticeable delay in the swing the way you could with, say, an axe?
Steve Smith
July 28, 2003, 05:56 PM
MicroBalrog, the chainsaw isn't the uber-weapon it is portrayed as being. Nasty cuts, for sure, but a real PITA to wield aggressively for normal humans (Correia does not apply).
Now some electric hedge trimmers, those could be nasty, as long as you could get to your opponent's appendages!
Weed whacker...OOOOOWWWW!!!! One whack stops!
Now some electric hedge trimmers, those could be nasty, as long as you could get to your opponent's appendages!
Weed whacker...OOOOOWWWW!!!! One whack stops!
bogie
July 28, 2003, 06:06 PM
Aw, heck... Paint it black, and let Skunkabilly sort it out...
MicroBalrog
July 28, 2003, 06:10 PM
Steve, I don't get it. What's:
1)PITA
2)An electric hedge-trimmer?
3)A weed-whacker?
1)PITA
2)An electric hedge-trimmer?
3)A weed-whacker?
Dave Markowitz
July 28, 2003, 06:15 PM
Hey, it works on demons and stuff in DOOM. :D
St. Gunner
July 28, 2003, 06:18 PM
In the days of AIDS and other related blood born disease, I would strongly advise against this as an option.:D
See I found a hog dead on the road with some huge cutter teeth, I really wanted the skull, but the state buries them within a day or so. I had my Echo along, had a sharp chain, decided WTH, can't be that bad. I looked like a butcher after a long day in about 5 seconds, I stunk like a nasty ol boar hog almost instantly, I got hair and meat packed in the saw and it wasn't pretty. But It did chop the head clean off in about five seconds and it was a big hog. But the mess is pretty nasty, i'll probably end up with internal parasites, cause I had to have gotten some in my mouth with all that crap spraying everywhere.:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
Oh it was the last time I tried that trick...:D
See I found a hog dead on the road with some huge cutter teeth, I really wanted the skull, but the state buries them within a day or so. I had my Echo along, had a sharp chain, decided WTH, can't be that bad. I looked like a butcher after a long day in about 5 seconds, I stunk like a nasty ol boar hog almost instantly, I got hair and meat packed in the saw and it wasn't pretty. But It did chop the head clean off in about five seconds and it was a big hog. But the mess is pretty nasty, i'll probably end up with internal parasites, cause I had to have gotten some in my mouth with all that crap spraying everywhere.:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
Oh it was the last time I tried that trick...:D
Justin
July 28, 2003, 06:25 PM
I would tend to think that the chainsaw would have a tendency to recoil back, causing that safety thing to hit your arm, thereby cutting the power to the engine off.
But then again, who's crazy enough to go toe-to-toe with somebody wielding a chainsaw.
:what:
But then again, who's crazy enough to go toe-to-toe with somebody wielding a chainsaw.
:what:
Cosmoline
July 28, 2003, 06:31 PM
With my Husqvarna 530, a Swiss surplus helmet and an alpenflage pancho, I am death incarnate!
Actually, this is very topical. The last two weekends I've been cutting down tree after tree after tree. I dream about them in my sleep. I find bits of them in my ears. A few observations:
Loose, wet wood slips off the chain very easily and is quite difficult to cut. That's why chainsaws are terrible for cutting up big piles of loose brush. I suspect a human limb would, if hit, simply be bounced up the chain toward the person holding the chainsaw. It would only continue to cut if the limb got impaled on the guard spikes there, but they usually aren't that sharp.
To really hurt someone, that is to get at the parts that bleed out and cause shock, you'd have to make a direct and sustained hit to the torso. Even then they could evade by simply falling down.
A good axe is much more lethal IMHO. Esp. these Swedish ones I've discovered. Razor sharp, and astonishingly powerful. I have no doubt at all that they could kill a person in one blow.
Actually, this is very topical. The last two weekends I've been cutting down tree after tree after tree. I dream about them in my sleep. I find bits of them in my ears. A few observations:
Loose, wet wood slips off the chain very easily and is quite difficult to cut. That's why chainsaws are terrible for cutting up big piles of loose brush. I suspect a human limb would, if hit, simply be bounced up the chain toward the person holding the chainsaw. It would only continue to cut if the limb got impaled on the guard spikes there, but they usually aren't that sharp.
To really hurt someone, that is to get at the parts that bleed out and cause shock, you'd have to make a direct and sustained hit to the torso. Even then they could evade by simply falling down.
A good axe is much more lethal IMHO. Esp. these Swedish ones I've discovered. Razor sharp, and astonishingly powerful. I have no doubt at all that they could kill a person in one blow.
Erik Jensen
July 28, 2003, 06:31 PM
Micro Balog.
definitions follow...
PITA= Pain the the ahem... "posterior"
electric hedge trimmer= in essence, a moter with reciprocating blades, which are sort of shaped like very large combs (as in for hair)
Weed Whacker= implement used for trimming grass or other brush where a lawn mower can't reach. basically a tube with a motor on one end, which spins, via a shaft a disc on the other end which has a nylon(?) "whip" on it.
definitions follow...
PITA= Pain the the ahem... "posterior"
electric hedge trimmer= in essence, a moter with reciprocating blades, which are sort of shaped like very large combs (as in for hair)
Weed Whacker= implement used for trimming grass or other brush where a lawn mower can't reach. basically a tube with a motor on one end, which spins, via a shaft a disc on the other end which has a nylon(?) "whip" on it.
Navy joe
July 28, 2003, 06:41 PM
No chance in heck Massad Ayoob will come be your defense witness if you use one. Not much of a chance that someone faced eith a chainsaw wielder will stand around to see if it hurts. I guess this thread means that TCM redo previews are showing in Israel too?
MicroBalrog
July 28, 2003, 06:44 PM
No, just wondered.
Autolite
July 28, 2003, 06:57 PM
Does anyone know where I can get a shoulder holster for a Husqvarna Model 57? Can't seem to find one anywhere ...
bobs1066
July 28, 2003, 07:20 PM
Nobody's mentioned Ash from the Evil Dead movies yet?
nondescript
July 28, 2003, 07:21 PM
I saw an article on something like this once, can't remember if it was online or in a magazine. They used the big pro competition style chainsaws, like are used for the Outdoor Games sometimes shown on ESPN. More than a little bit bigger and more powerful than the usual ones found in sheds and pickup beds of Northern Minnesota. They cut up a few old couches and other furniture, then moved on to a side of beef. If I remember right both the Stihl and Husqvarna cut down and through in a matter of a couple seconds. I guess a normal saw with a nice sharp chain could be effective if necessary.
Light objects tend to run with the chain, and being as clumsy to swing as a chainsaw would be, I would personally prefer an axe or my HI Ang Khola. The actual usefulness may not be as important as the psychological impact that goes with picturing the spray that the chain could throw.
Just try to visualize someone coming toward YOU with a running chainsaw.
I personally would assume they were totally nuts and get away as fastfastfast as my legs could carry me.
Unless I was up against Deadites, then I would take my Boomstick and chainsaw and wreak havoc upon them.
Hail to the king, baby!:evil: :neener: :evil:
Light objects tend to run with the chain, and being as clumsy to swing as a chainsaw would be, I would personally prefer an axe or my HI Ang Khola. The actual usefulness may not be as important as the psychological impact that goes with picturing the spray that the chain could throw.
Just try to visualize someone coming toward YOU with a running chainsaw.
I personally would assume they were totally nuts and get away as fastfastfast as my legs could carry me.
Unless I was up against Deadites, then I would take my Boomstick and chainsaw and wreak havoc upon them.
Hail to the king, baby!:evil: :neener: :evil:
Jeff White
July 28, 2003, 08:07 PM
I don't know just how much I'd rely on a chainsaw as a weapon. They are hard to carry discreetly, (all that noise and smoke) hard to start when you really need them, and you have to get very close to your assailant to use it effectively.
I have faced down an EDP with a chainsaw. Happened right after I started on the PD in 1985. Started with a domestic right at the start of the shift. The Sergeant knew the parties involved quite well and went down to handle it. He got it quieted down and a few hours later it flared up. So when the call came out he said "he'd take care of it" again. He wasn't out there 5 minutes when he said "I need back up now!" The other cars had headed towards the neighborhood when the call came out in order to be close in case things went bad. We were there in seconds, just in time to see the subject pick up a chainsaw from the bed of his pick up and advance on the sergeant while pulling on the rope. It's a wonder no one shot him, the subject looked around and saw four additional officers exiting their cars and pointing their weapons at him, he put the chainsaw down and stepped away without even a command to. While discussing it later, everyone of us said we would have shot him, had he succeeded in starting the chainsaw.
Jeff
I have faced down an EDP with a chainsaw. Happened right after I started on the PD in 1985. Started with a domestic right at the start of the shift. The Sergeant knew the parties involved quite well and went down to handle it. He got it quieted down and a few hours later it flared up. So when the call came out he said "he'd take care of it" again. He wasn't out there 5 minutes when he said "I need back up now!" The other cars had headed towards the neighborhood when the call came out in order to be close in case things went bad. We were there in seconds, just in time to see the subject pick up a chainsaw from the bed of his pick up and advance on the sergeant while pulling on the rope. It's a wonder no one shot him, the subject looked around and saw four additional officers exiting their cars and pointing their weapons at him, he put the chainsaw down and stepped away without even a command to. While discussing it later, everyone of us said we would have shot him, had he succeeded in starting the chainsaw.
Jeff
Cosmoline
July 28, 2003, 08:20 PM
You know, with a solid stick of wood held between your hands, like a quarterstaff, I wonder if you could cause the saw to kickback at the user. You'd simply block into the kickback zone, and brace against the chain so that it rolled back and up at the user.
cracked butt
July 28, 2003, 08:46 PM
I could see using one in a tight space such as a hallway or a medium sized bedroom. If you have someone cornered in a place they cannot get out of, you can really make them feel like they would rather be somewhere else. It may not be the perfect weapon, but it would ceratinly give you the upper hand psychologically- what kind of person wouldn't crap their pants with a p-'d off homeowner chasing them with a revving chainsaw?
Its sort of like the old survey that says that people are more afraid of public speaking than death. I would bet if being chased by a chainsaw wielding maniac were added to the list of poll questions, it would even beat out public speaking.
Its sort of like the old survey that says that people are more afraid of public speaking than death. I would bet if being chased by a chainsaw wielding maniac were added to the list of poll questions, it would even beat out public speaking.
DJJ
July 28, 2003, 10:05 PM
"Stihl vs. Husqvarna" debates?
"Short bar vs. long" debates?
Reminds me of an eye-rolling moment I had at work a few years ago. I'd seen my first lumberjack competition on ESPN one weekend:
DJJ: Ever see those lumberjack competitions? How 'bout those racing chain saws?
Boss: "Racing chain saws"? You mean they ride them?
DJJ: :rolleyes:
Jeff White: "EDP"? :confused:
Evil Dead Poser/pretender/person/perp/player?
Enraged Domestic Partner?
Ex Doom Player?
"Short bar vs. long" debates?
Reminds me of an eye-rolling moment I had at work a few years ago. I'd seen my first lumberjack competition on ESPN one weekend:
DJJ: Ever see those lumberjack competitions? How 'bout those racing chain saws?
Boss: "Racing chain saws"? You mean they ride them?
DJJ: :rolleyes:
Jeff White: "EDP"? :confused:
Evil Dead Poser/pretender/person/perp/player?
Enraged Domestic Partner?
Ex Doom Player?
coldshot03/04
July 28, 2003, 10:09 PM
When I was a kid my dad chased his brother ( my uncle) out of the yard with a chainsaw.:D I would say that they are quite effective to deter someone.
Jeff White
July 28, 2003, 10:09 PM
DJJ,
EDP - Emotionally Disturbed Person........PC term for the kind of nut case who would advance on an armed peace officer while trying to start his chainsaw....
Jeff
EDP - Emotionally Disturbed Person........PC term for the kind of nut case who would advance on an armed peace officer while trying to start his chainsaw....
Jeff
Skunkabilly
July 28, 2003, 10:20 PM
I ran a search for 'carbon fiber chainsaw' and got these:
http://www.infernolab.com/gfx/ml/mlgallery/weap4.jpg
http://www.infernolab.com/gfx/ml/mlgallery/weapchain.jpg
http://www.infernolab.com/gfx/ml/mlgallery/weap4.jpg
http://www.infernolab.com/gfx/ml/mlgallery/weapchain.jpg
coldshot03/04
July 28, 2003, 10:21 PM
Kewl!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:
Soap
July 28, 2003, 10:27 PM
I have a decent amount of time behind a Stihl 028...I just have one question, which chainsaw if TSHTF? :neener:
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 28, 2003, 10:39 PM
I'd imagine a cold-start on a chainsaw as a self-defense weapon would be about as reliable as a matchlock in a swamp. They make a terrific mess as any EMT, logger or careless landscaper/homeowner who has seen one that hit flesh can attest to. I've seen one fatal chainsaw accident from a kickback but there's no way gas powertools and safety chaps will replace a good blaster at my side.
BTW, never run a weedeater in sandals and short britches.
http://www.poulan.com/products/trimmers/Gas_Line_Trimmers/prod_PP335.asp
For that matter, I'd rather have a naginata than a chainsaw.
Regards,
Rabbit.
BTW, never run a weedeater in sandals and short britches.
http://www.poulan.com/products/trimmers/Gas_Line_Trimmers/prod_PP335.asp
For that matter, I'd rather have a naginata than a chainsaw.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Sir Galahad
July 28, 2003, 10:54 PM
It depends on the chainsaw. If you have a POS McCulloch or Homelite, you might never get that thing started in time. Those are the Lorcins, Phoenixs and RGs of chainsaws. Repair for a McCulloch or Homelite? Pour out the bar oil and pour it into a Stihl. Paint McCulloch and throw away. Homelite you can use as an anchor for the bass boat.
This reminds me of a guy, he was a recent immigrant, some years back where I used to work. He wanted us to put a 7 1/4" circular saw blade on his router. We told him to get the heck outta here. Well, he found a way to do it, his buddy told us later. Fired up router, it whipped over in his hands and cut his hands practically off. That's because the router is only going several thousand RPMs faster than a circular saw. This clown was going to hold the router motor in his hands and cut flooring with it. His buddy said after it virtually lopped the guys hands off, it took off across the floor like a bat out of hell. They had to scramble, carefully, to the outlet and unplug the contraption. All this while the dude is screaming his head off, bleeding all over the place and trying to police up his hands between his legs. We saw the router later and what a mess! Welcome to America...heeeere's yer sign.
This reminds me of a guy, he was a recent immigrant, some years back where I used to work. He wanted us to put a 7 1/4" circular saw blade on his router. We told him to get the heck outta here. Well, he found a way to do it, his buddy told us later. Fired up router, it whipped over in his hands and cut his hands practically off. That's because the router is only going several thousand RPMs faster than a circular saw. This clown was going to hold the router motor in his hands and cut flooring with it. His buddy said after it virtually lopped the guys hands off, it took off across the floor like a bat out of hell. They had to scramble, carefully, to the outlet and unplug the contraption. All this while the dude is screaming his head off, bleeding all over the place and trying to police up his hands between his legs. We saw the router later and what a mess! Welcome to America...heeeere's yer sign.
Preacherman
July 28, 2003, 11:34 PM
From Policeone.com (http://www.policeone.com/policeone/frontend/parser.cfm?object=News&operation=full_newsline&id=60392) - thanks to John H. of the API List for the link:
Deputy Attacked With Chainsaw
03/06/2003
On Sunday, the 2nd of March, 2003,a Bradley County Tennessee Deputy Sheriff was attacked by a mental patient with a chainsaw.
Two deputies responded to a residence in Bradley County after they were dispatched to a call where a subject with a mental history had barricaded himself in the residence with his landlord, and was armed with a chainsaw.
Upon arrival, the deputies attempted to talk the man into putting down the chainsaw, but as he advanced on them, one of the deputies fired a taser into him twice, with no effect.The subject, who supposedly had taken approximately 60 valium, again advanced on the deputies, and struck one of them in the arm as he was trying to push the subject away. The second deputy was able to fire at the suspect,and he was struck in the chest area.
Both the deputy and the suspect were airlifted to Erlanger Hospital in Chattanooga, where the suspect died of his wounds. The deputy sustained severe damage to his arm, and required approximately 400 stitches to close the wounds he received.
400 stitches?!?!?! :what: :what: :what:
Deputy Attacked With Chainsaw
03/06/2003
On Sunday, the 2nd of March, 2003,a Bradley County Tennessee Deputy Sheriff was attacked by a mental patient with a chainsaw.
Two deputies responded to a residence in Bradley County after they were dispatched to a call where a subject with a mental history had barricaded himself in the residence with his landlord, and was armed with a chainsaw.
Upon arrival, the deputies attempted to talk the man into putting down the chainsaw, but as he advanced on them, one of the deputies fired a taser into him twice, with no effect.The subject, who supposedly had taken approximately 60 valium, again advanced on the deputies, and struck one of them in the arm as he was trying to push the subject away. The second deputy was able to fire at the suspect,and he was struck in the chest area.
Both the deputy and the suspect were airlifted to Erlanger Hospital in Chattanooga, where the suspect died of his wounds. The deputy sustained severe damage to his arm, and required approximately 400 stitches to close the wounds he received.
400 stitches?!?!?! :what: :what: :what:
Bergeron
July 29, 2003, 12:31 AM
Hey, its not REALLY a tactical chainsaw until someone mounts a Surefire on it...
Elmer Snerd
July 29, 2003, 12:33 AM
Coming soon to a theater near you: CHAINSAW NINJA (http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/sid/antidrug.jpg)!
Check out Chainsaw Ninja's further adventures here:
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You could also be a Chainsaw Vigilante (http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/mockingbird/1118/tick/cv/cv_pics.html).
Check out Chainsaw Ninja's further adventures here:
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tex_n_cal
July 29, 2003, 02:14 AM
...that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark except instead of fancy sword handling the bad guy is frantically trying to start his chainsaw while Indiana Jones coolly shoots him with his M1917 Smith.
All kidding aside, I think a mean, but unarmed person would have a rapid change of heart if confronted by a chainsaw. Assuming, of course, you got the damn thing started in time. :banghead:
All kidding aside, I think a mean, but unarmed person would have a rapid change of heart if confronted by a chainsaw. Assuming, of course, you got the damn thing started in time. :banghead:
Mikul
July 29, 2003, 11:00 AM
People always say that no sound sends a bad guy packing like that of a pump shotgun being chambered.
I have always said, "You're crazy. Nothing is scarier than breaking into a house and hearing a chainsaw start up in the bedroom. Not only does the bad guy know that you're armed, but he knows you're crazy too."
I have always said, "You're crazy. Nothing is scarier than breaking into a house and hearing a chainsaw start up in the bedroom. Not only does the bad guy know that you're armed, but he knows you're crazy too."
Glamdring
July 29, 2003, 11:40 AM
Perhaps a gas powered circular saw or sawsall with a demolition or rescue blade.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/tenryu/rescue.html
http://www.masonry-saw.com/partner_k650.html
http://www.masonry-saw.com/partner_k950_chain.html
http://www.unifireusa.com/Main%20Products/Saws/blades.htm
http://www.mytoolstore.com/tenryu/rescue.html
http://www.mytoolstore.com/tenryu/rescue.html
http://www.masonry-saw.com/partner_k650.html
http://www.masonry-saw.com/partner_k950_chain.html
http://www.unifireusa.com/Main%20Products/Saws/blades.htm
http://www.mytoolstore.com/tenryu/rescue.html
cracked butt
July 30, 2003, 02:33 AM
Ah yes the Demolition saw. That is one wea.. I mean tool I have a huge heap of respect for:uhoh:
I was working on my cabin up north and my father-in-law asked me if I wanted to fire up the demo saw and cut a notch in the recently poured foundation. I thought sure sounds like fun. I started up the beast of a saw and it quickly got to be really frightening. The first time I hit the gas it torqued sideways nearly 90 degrees. I quickly put the saw down and backed away from it. :what:
I was working on my cabin up north and my father-in-law asked me if I wanted to fire up the demo saw and cut a notch in the recently poured foundation. I thought sure sounds like fun. I started up the beast of a saw and it quickly got to be really frightening. The first time I hit the gas it torqued sideways nearly 90 degrees. I quickly put the saw down and backed away from it. :what:
Duncan Idaho
July 30, 2003, 02:47 AM
With all the chainsaw-wielding maniacs in the movies, one wonders - can you actually use one for CQC/Self-Defense?Train yourself to be able to improvise a self-defense weapon out of anything. Even if you are simply employing that weapon in order to fight your way to a better weapon.
I once used a flower pot to save my own life.
The most powerful weapon in the universe weighs a shade over three pounds, and it rests between (some) people's ears.
I once used a flower pot to save my own life.
The most powerful weapon in the universe weighs a shade over three pounds, and it rests between (some) people's ears.
Kevlarman
July 30, 2003, 05:29 AM
Flower pot? Do tell!
DJJ
July 30, 2003, 10:50 AM
Flower pot? Do tell!
Don't know about Duncan's story, but watch "Rio Bravo" sometime. Perfect example.
Don't know about Duncan's story, but watch "Rio Bravo" sometime. Perfect example.
RandyB
July 30, 2003, 10:52 AM
Of course you could always throw the chainsaw at the BG.:D
Steve Smith
July 30, 2003, 11:37 AM
MicroBalrog,
Here's a hedge trimmer:
http://www.cairnsmowercity.com/images/mtdproht230d.jpg
Here's a "weed whacker":
http://www.stihlusa.com/graphics/trimmers/FS46.gif
Note the business end. Has a spinning "wheel" with plastic "whips" that cut grass and weeds at a few thousand RPMs. ouchie!
Here's a hedge trimmer:
http://www.cairnsmowercity.com/images/mtdproht230d.jpg
Here's a "weed whacker":
http://www.stihlusa.com/graphics/trimmers/FS46.gif
Note the business end. Has a spinning "wheel" with plastic "whips" that cut grass and weeds at a few thousand RPMs. ouchie!
Betty
July 30, 2003, 12:02 PM
I know of one case of murder by chainsaw. Shortly after Pulaski, TN was named All American City (1993 I think), a man by the name of Red McClusky chased down and murdered his nephew by hacking at him with a live chainsaw. I feel sorry for the victim, the family (other than Red) and whoever had to clean up the mess.
You can put blades on weed trimmers for "heavy duty" use.
You can put blades on weed trimmers for "heavy duty" use.
Glamdring
July 30, 2003, 01:35 PM
Someone need to post a pic of the Ferris Wheel of Death for dealing with the Zombies :D
Byron Quick
July 30, 2003, 10:18 PM
Preacherman,
400 stitches?
Probably included all the internal layer repair sutures. By the time you get finished suturing individual muscles, tendons, arteries, veins, nerves, and fascia back together...then you get to start on the skin. It adds up.
Glad I wasn't assisting the repair...that took a while.
400 stitches?
Probably included all the internal layer repair sutures. By the time you get finished suturing individual muscles, tendons, arteries, veins, nerves, and fascia back together...then you get to start on the skin. It adds up.
Glad I wasn't assisting the repair...that took a while.
Duncan Idaho
July 30, 2003, 11:18 PM
Flower pot? Do tell!A person (known to me) jumped me and began to choke me out. The person was a former Marine, and I had no doubts about his ability to kill me.
In struggling to break contact, I managed to get my hand onto a flower pot. I struck the person as hard a humanly possible on the side of his head. Fortunately for him, the dirt had fallen out of the pot in my struggle to grasp/swing it. Unfortunately for me, the relatively light flower pot had a diminished effect (from the one that I had hoped for), and he continued to choke me.
As I lay there on my back, with this jarhead gorilla on my chest choking me, I swung at him again. This time, the only thing that remained of the pot was an incredibly nasty - and extremely sharp - curved shard. The blow from the shard cut my attackers upper lip almost completely off of his face.
Long story short, blood everywhere, I said my goodbyes to grandma and Elvis as they admonished me to "Go back to the light", and then I had to endure an interrogation at the scene by the police as to why my former friend's lip was hanging off his face like a piece of liver flapping in the breeze.
The door blown off the hinges, the destroyed couch (collapsed during the attack) and the death-grip bruises on my neck told the tale.
Moral of the story? Never give up, never give in, never say die. Fight. It might save your life.
And, of course, that anything can be used as a weapon if necessary.
Epilogue: The person who attacked me had his lip re-attached. It didn't take 400 stiches, but I bet it felt like it did.
Moral of that story? Think really hard about how much you like your lip(s) -the next person might be even more savage than I am - before attacking another person unprovoked. Your lip(s) will thank you for it.
In struggling to break contact, I managed to get my hand onto a flower pot. I struck the person as hard a humanly possible on the side of his head. Fortunately for him, the dirt had fallen out of the pot in my struggle to grasp/swing it. Unfortunately for me, the relatively light flower pot had a diminished effect (from the one that I had hoped for), and he continued to choke me.
As I lay there on my back, with this jarhead gorilla on my chest choking me, I swung at him again. This time, the only thing that remained of the pot was an incredibly nasty - and extremely sharp - curved shard. The blow from the shard cut my attackers upper lip almost completely off of his face.
Long story short, blood everywhere, I said my goodbyes to grandma and Elvis as they admonished me to "Go back to the light", and then I had to endure an interrogation at the scene by the police as to why my former friend's lip was hanging off his face like a piece of liver flapping in the breeze.
The door blown off the hinges, the destroyed couch (collapsed during the attack) and the death-grip bruises on my neck told the tale.
Moral of the story? Never give up, never give in, never say die. Fight. It might save your life.
And, of course, that anything can be used as a weapon if necessary.
Epilogue: The person who attacked me had his lip re-attached. It didn't take 400 stiches, but I bet it felt like it did.
Moral of that story? Think really hard about how much you like your lip(s) -the next person might be even more savage than I am - before attacking another person unprovoked. Your lip(s) will thank you for it.
MicroBalrog
July 31, 2003, 06:59 AM
I ran a search for 'carbon fiber chainsaw' and got these:
Micro wants! Micro Wants!:D
Micro wants! Micro Wants!:D
mohican
July 31, 2003, 03:29 PM
The Stihl 066 probably would be best to use on a power to weight ratio
for best results, use "ripping" or skip chain (every other tooth removed, & teeth have more aggressive cutting angle. :neener:
for best results, use "ripping" or skip chain (every other tooth removed, & teeth have more aggressive cutting angle. :neener:
zahc
July 31, 2003, 09:28 PM
Out of curiousity, would you be able to lop off, say, a 2" limb with one of those larger saws by swinging the saw at it (fast enough that the limb couldn't get out of the way, if trees could do that sort of thing ) and pop through it with no noticeable delay in the swing the way you could with, say, an axe?
No.
With a sharp chain, though, and a fast saw,close.
No.
With a sharp chain, though, and a fast saw,close.
JohnBT
August 14, 2003, 09:18 AM
When I was 17 I got a tree service job and a month later we were working at a Federal facility in D.C. I had a dumptruck parked halfway up on the sidewalk while I sawed up a trunk I'd dropped and this BIG fat guy in a bread truck was PO'd I'd blocked his lane. He was screaming and blowing his horn at me. Well, being 17 with an attitude I shot him the bird.
So there I was about 50 feet away when he jumped out of the truck and came at me as fast as he could. Oops. Shouldn't have done that I thought. Poor little old me, a 175 pound 6-footer with shoulder length hair and prescription sunglasses.
Then I realized I was holding a running chainsaw with a 36" bar. :neener:
Then he realized it too and walked away. He must have been smarter than he looked.
Those old boys I worked with sure taught me to keep a saw sharp. I think they sharpened nearly as much as they cut. But that's the only way to get the chainsaw to do most of the work. Leaning hard on a dull blade is foolish.
John
So there I was about 50 feet away when he jumped out of the truck and came at me as fast as he could. Oops. Shouldn't have done that I thought. Poor little old me, a 175 pound 6-footer with shoulder length hair and prescription sunglasses.
Then I realized I was holding a running chainsaw with a 36" bar. :neener:
Then he realized it too and walked away. He must have been smarter than he looked.
Those old boys I worked with sure taught me to keep a saw sharp. I think they sharpened nearly as much as they cut. But that's the only way to get the chainsaw to do most of the work. Leaning hard on a dull blade is foolish.
John
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