Who's had negative Glock experience??


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exile870
January 15, 2008, 09:53 PM
I'm considering a Glock as my next purchase. I've spent time on a Glock Forum and heard all the praise. I'd like to hear now from those of you who have had a negative experience with the Glocks. So here's an opportunity to vent. Thanks.

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axeman_g
January 15, 2008, 10:01 PM
besides how they feel...no complaints
besides the lack of any panache or class... no complaints
besides the total kool-aid drinking attitude of the fan boys ... no complaints
besides the exhorbitant price most dealers ask for them... no complaints

Try a SW M&P... you will not regret the 10 minute investment.

P95loser
January 15, 2008, 10:05 PM
I personally have not had any experience with them other than handling them at the shops. I don't like the way they feel, +1 for the M&P.

Navy joe
January 15, 2008, 10:22 PM
I broke my G34 frame rail at about 30K rounds. Not too negative, it was a known issue and the frame was replaced for free. The hidden negative is how Glock deals with problems, the frame rail breakage was well known and Glock said nothing, just waited for owners to send theirs in. Mine still worked fine with the rail gone, I can imagine that if someone ever died from a broken rail Glock that jammed that Glock would be liable due to their silence.

All said, I shoot and carry Glocks all the time.

CPshooter
January 15, 2008, 10:43 PM
I don't think you will find very many pistols that can compare to Glock's rather ideal combination of a decent price (when compared to H&Ks, Sigs, etc.), accuracy, and rock-solid reliability/durability for the lifetime you own it. I'm not saying they are the best, because I'd choose other guns over a Glock, but I'm saying that if it fits your hand and you like how it shoots, then by all means do yourself a favor and get one. You shouldn't have any problems with a Glock.

jfh
January 15, 2008, 10:57 PM
I had a Glock 20 blowup, and I don't care to own Glocks anymore.

Jim H.

Trempel
January 15, 2008, 11:07 PM
Absolutely hated the first Glock that I shot - a G23. After a while realized that I don't dislike the pistol, but the caliber. No more .40S&W for me. I own two 9mm Glocks (G17 + G19) and love them both. Trust my life to them.

LB7_Driver
January 15, 2008, 11:09 PM
I've had a mini-KB in a G-17, not due to the gun, and no damage to the gun.
That same G-17, an old Gen-I model, is a picky old bitch about the slide holding open after the last shot. Other than that, it shoots great.

I recently have experience with two new G-19s. They are nicely accurate and very reliable. The standard Glock trigger is harsher than I prefer, though I am used to 1911 triggers and quite spoiled.

I would buy a Glock again.

wally
January 15, 2008, 11:16 PM
I've two Glocks, a 17 and 21. My negative is there is no gun I shoot worse. Nothing wrong with the gun as I can shoot great groups off sandbags, just when it comes to real shooting they don't work for me.

Reliable function has not been an issue, so rent one and if it suits you, go for it!

--wally.

biscuitninja
January 15, 2008, 11:35 PM
My negtative... there just isn't enough usage of these pistols to get a good idea (statistic "breakdown" ha ha) of what goes wrong with these pistols. I think they WAY underestimated the realibility of all the parts. What they wound up with was a pistol that was ALOT more reliable than they though.

Another downside has been that over the last 20ish years or so that ammo has steadily gone up in pressures. Unfortunatley barrell material has not (usually add more material instead of different material). This has lead to some KB's, but they are very much the exception, not the rule. If you worry, then just get a Bar-STO barrell and forget about it.

The final negatative experience... they charge too much... and i haven't got one for myself. :banghead::evil:
good luck
-bix

Bullet
January 15, 2008, 11:50 PM
jfh
I had a Glock 20 blowup

Could you explain what happened and what was the cause? :confused:

Javelin
January 15, 2008, 11:53 PM
My only complaint is that my wife seems to think my Glock is hers now!

:)

DENALI
January 15, 2008, 11:54 PM
I think you're wasting your time presenting a question like this. The net is so full of BS Glock negative's it staggers the imagination. One wit posted that he had two KB's with the same gun during the same range session right here on this forum! Yet you've requested input, so here you go. Go to your nearest range, one who actually rents the guns out, they always have a large quantity of Glocks on hand and talk to the guy's who work there and ask them how often they have problems with the range Glock's. I'm confident after doing this you'll be adding a new Glock to your battery............

gbelleh
January 16, 2008, 12:02 AM
I like Glocks, but I haven't had good luck with them and don't own any currently. I had a Glock 36 that broke its recoil spring assembly during fire (88th round through the brand new gun). It locked the gun up solid (took the gunsmith at the range about 15 minutes to get it loose) and it damaged the frame pretty badly.
Bought another G36 years later and it had reliability issues.
I still like Glocks and would like to get a G19 someday soon. My luck has to get better, right?

Cougfan2
January 16, 2008, 12:09 AM
Oh, Dear Jesus, another Glock thread! Kudos to those who love them and respect to those who don't. In the immortal words or Rodney King, "Can't we just all get along?"

Sarcasm off.

beemerphile
January 16, 2008, 12:23 AM
I am probably too junior on this forum to be talking here, but this is a subject I know something about as a 17 year owner of the brand. The only Glock I have owned that I did not like was my G30. It would stovepipe on me if I didn't use an ironclad two hand hold. Weak hand or injured drill, forget it. Glock said the pistol was fine and I was limp-wristing it. Fine, I sold this piece of Glock Perfection. My other eight Glocks have been great. G17, G19, G20, G21, G22, G23, G26, and G27. My wife has claimed the G19, G26, and G27. The G23 is my daily carry choice over my Sigs, Colt, CZ, and HK's. It is comfortable, reliable, stands up to abuse, and I shoot it well. My G21 has a laser/light combo and is a good high-capacity "bump-in-the-night" bedside gun. The G22 is my "car gun" and the G20 is what I carry on my own property when "working the land". The G17 is my GSSF gun. Can't wrestle the other three away from my wife. I guess they still shoot. She popped a wild racoon with the G19 last month when it tried to pick a fight with her German Shepherd. They are just tupperware. Nothing to fall in love with, but good dependable tools for the most part.

DerbyDale
January 16, 2008, 12:23 AM
Most people who have complaints with a Glock, are the ones who have had a kaBOOM! Thanks in part to them not having a fully supported chamber. :neener: "sorry... I just couldn't help myself..." :D ;)

CTPistol
January 16, 2008, 12:28 AM
Glocks are simple, incredibly reliable guns...nothing wrong with that.

Just as annoying as the Glock fanboys nare the ANTI-glock fanboys who are totally pro XD or M&P....especially because to most of us they are basically all the same cheap, reliable, unexciting, plastic guns...

polymer brings out a low-rent group at times. Its like a fistfight in a Walmart parking lot over Ford-vs-Chevy. Just not very meaningful.

:uhoh:

GTSteve03
January 16, 2008, 12:35 AM
It's got a light trigger with no manual safety, a partially unsupported barrel, and the ergonomics of a brick.

If I'm going to own a plastic pistol, I will buy the best plastic pistol brand out there, HK.

Black Adder LXX
January 16, 2008, 12:44 AM
I've seen a lot more glocks jam than my beretta. (Which has NEVER jammed). That wouldn't be a problem with me, if not for the 'perfection' crowd claiming that glocks are the 'be all end all'. :)

DENALI
January 16, 2008, 03:15 AM
Jeez Mr. Black Adder lxx that qualify's as your negative Glock experience? Up here in the great white north most reputable gun shops don't even stock the 92's any more for lack of sales......Oh well DoD just bought 10-11,000 more M-9's after a rather loud,failed attempt at dumping them. Maybe next time...

tbreed725
January 16, 2008, 09:45 AM
ive only had one glock that had a malfunctyion it was a g19 and it may have been ammo related but still it was the only one ive had first hand account of.

tallpaul
January 16, 2008, 09:50 AM
One of the things I do like about my 17 is that it is very tool like- not much sentimental value here in it compared to my real guns :D

I don't care for the ergo's but I do master the tool instead of it masterin me...

NGIB
January 16, 2008, 09:59 AM
Don't own one, wouldn't own one, but they are "Perfection"...

EddieCoyle
January 16, 2008, 10:00 AM
The only negative experience I've had with my Glocks was that one time when I missed the target. It was snowing out, dark, the target was moving, and I sneezed when the shot broke. I only missed by a little bit. Other than that it's been all good.

Seriously, in terms of reliability, for me the Glocks have been great. I carry a G29.

I like the S&W M&P though. If they made compact M&Ps in either .45 ACP or 10mm, I'd probably carry one.

KINGMAX
January 16, 2008, 10:10 AM
GLOCK 21, don't leave home without it.

Whatsit
January 16, 2008, 10:24 AM
I saw a brand-new Glock 19 malfunction 5th round out of the box. Not sure that's typical. The weapon was not cleaned/lubed before the first time out, if that matters.

Crimp
January 16, 2008, 11:51 AM
I have a negative Glock experience each time I see a thread like this.

TennVOL
January 16, 2008, 12:03 PM
G21 KB about 12 years ago. Factory Horandy XTP ammuntion. Glock pretty much didnt give a crap and sold me a new one for 200. I recently had a KB with a XD .45 (reloaded ammo) and SA was very concerned and repaired the gun for $75.

Beowolf1911
January 16, 2008, 12:09 PM
I have fired them on many occasions they worked great they were accurate and reliable but not as much as the fan boys say, Just because Tommy Lee Jones says you can poor sand down the barrel doesn't mean you can. They offer a product in almost any size you could want, but if one doesn't fit your hand basically none of them fill fit your hand. My big reason for not getting one is that they, and almost any polymer framed gun, limp wrist too easily. It is a trade off, you might not mind it but to me I would rather go with a heavy steel frame that shoots and feeds even if you have a poor grip on it. My brother in law has a few of them and they work great, the one he carries has a laser built into the trigger guard "incase I have to shoot from a bad angle" which struck me as odd since the gun will most likely jam if you stick a hand out at an odd angle and shoot it.

Hokkmike
January 16, 2008, 12:14 PM
My only negative Glock experience is that I don't have one.

gym
January 16, 2008, 12:18 PM
If you ask a subjective question, you are not going to get youself more info than you had before. I own two Glocks for 13-15 years, and have owned 3 or 4 others, and never had a problem other than a broken guide rod. Now if you asked what guns have you experienced problems with, the list would be much longer than just 1 name.

CPshooter
January 16, 2008, 12:57 PM
Absolutely hated the first Glock that I shot - a G23. After a while realized that I don't dislike the pistol, but the caliber. No more .40S&W for me. I own two 9mm Glocks (G17 + G19) and love them both. Trust my life to them.
I found that the recoil from my Glock 27 was just too much to enjoy shooting. Got "glock finger" from the stupid trigger after 2 boxes of ammo. It wasn't even necessarily my concealed carry weapon so I didn't see the need to keep it. I sold it a few months later to my cousin. My friend's G23 seems to have alot of "snap" to it, even for a .40s&w. I'll probably end up getting a 26 someday because I liked the Glock sub-compact, just not in .40 cal.

I must be like you in that I think Glock makes better 9mm guns than .40s. Other handguns, however, shoot the .40s&w quite well. My XD40 for example handled the .40s&w cartridge amazingly, and made it fun to shoot. Recoil wasn't harsh whatsoever.

jfh
January 16, 2008, 12:59 PM
Glock 20 blowup:

My 20 ka-boom happened 10 years ago, IIRC--at any rate, it was the day that sick Willy proclaimed that "...(he)-did-NOT-have-sex-with-THAT-woman." Arguably, it was the first 20 ka-boom in the US; I'd had it on order and picked it up a month earlier, in December, when Bill's Gun Shop got the first shipment in.

FWIW, this was my third Glock: I'd started with a 17L (used in club competition) and bought a 19 as well for SD and home defense. I had loaded 1000s of 9mm lead reloads for these guns. It was also about the time that reports of Glock ka-booms had finally made it into the press--not much Internet chat in the early-mid Nineties, remember--and speculation for the reasons was mounting. The St. Paul PD armorer I spoke to about it (they were one of the first PDs to adopt a Glock) had heard of them in the PDs, and it was his informed opinion they occurred because of squib loads, typically in PD practice ammo; factory rounds or reloads--didn't matter.

This was the third range visit; in the preceding two, about 200 rounds of factory TMJs were shot through it to burnish the barrel. At about round 250, I started loading my standard 10mm reloads I had developed for use in my Springfield Armory Omega and my 1006--basically, a softball load that barely made Major: starline brass, WLP, 4.9 gr. of 231, under a 200-gr. LSWC. Out of the 6" Omega, they ran about 920 or so. These rounds had been loaded 'some time' before, on a Lee Pro 1000, and I had built 1000s of them and never had a problem with loading errors or with shooting them in the Omega (which also has a polygonal barrel).

In the midst of a 'measured' rapid fire drill, at about round 283, I suddenly felt a stinging sensation in my shooting / right hand--and then I noticed the slide was missing from the pistol. As I looked at my chest and stomach to see if it was stuck there, the rangemaster came running in and ordered a cease fire. I looked up to see him and others peering around the partitions.

It turned out that the slide had launched itself off the pistol over my left shoulder and traveled about six to eight feet back to hit the sheet metal cover over the ventilation system, causing a loud clank that got everyone's attention.

The guy two stalls down was an MD, and he examined my right hand--other than the sensation of a bad sprain on my index / trigger finger, and a small blood blister forming, there appeared to be no injury.

Meanwhile, someone else had retreived the slide. It was significantly twisted up, really noticably distorted, and the barrel had split at about the 4:00 position from the breech forward. The receiver was undistorted, but rails had been torn off it and parts were missing. See this picture. (http://www.pbase.com/jfh1945/image/84746251)

At any rate, the experience did tend to ruin the day.

I called Glock the next day to report this, and all I got was a "gee, I'm glad you weren't more seriously hurt" comment from the receptionist; not even a transfer to Customer Service.

I next contacted Winchester, and they requested I send them the parts and the remaining ammo. I did this, and eventually I got a written report and the parts back.

They'd straightened the slide enough to remove the barrel (how it looks in that photo), and disassembled the remaining ammo and analyzed the charge. For the ammo, they typically found about .1 to .2 grain less than the stated recipe (I'll bet their scale is more accurate than my Lee balance beam), and that the rounds conformed in LOA, etc., etc. to accepted (re)loading practices. They did conclude that it was a massive overpressure incident, or words to that effect, and wrote a truly masterful letter of CYA dodging-and-weaving that covered all manufacturers concerned.

So, could it have been a double-charged case / reloading error? Yes; I can't prove it was not. However, I strongly doubt that, and no evidence of a squib-followed-by-a-shot-exists. The barrel split, period. Personally, I buy into the polygonal rifling / leading issues.

I'd like to believe Glocks have evolved and been improved. The comments I read today focus much more on the unsupported-chamber issues. At any rate, the incident soured me on shooting Glocks--so I sold the other two and went on to enjoying 1911s.

Personally, I would not shoot reloads in a Glock of any date and of any caliber without replacing the barrel with an aftermarket one designed for better chamber support and with conventional rifling. But that's just me.

Jim H.

Brian Williams
January 16, 2008, 01:10 PM
I have been to GlockTalk.com...

High Planes Drifter
January 16, 2008, 01:20 PM
My brand new GLOCK 19 jammed the first time I brought it to the range multiple times. I shipped it out to the factory yesterday. I'll post an update when I hear something from the factory.

Its a shame, I actually really liked the little gun. I shot it well, I was consitantly hitting pie plates with it at 25 yards, it was comfortable to carry, and I bought an extra mag for it(giving me a total of 3). I guess I had high hopes thinking I had found a great little carry gun.

Firepower!
January 16, 2008, 03:12 PM
Not me!

DENALI
January 16, 2008, 04:05 PM
Hello there TennVol, you've had two KB's on two seperate pistol's, one with factory ammo? Hmm, if I was you I'd be on my way to the casino or off to by a lottery tickie.................As to Glock charging you for the new pistol, if they did, they're saying you were at fault. Were you?

XDKingslayer
January 16, 2008, 06:42 PM
I broke my G34 frame rail at about 30K rounds. Not too negative, it was a known issue and the frame was replaced for free. The hidden negative is how Glock deals with problems, the frame rail breakage was well known and Glock said nothing, just waited for owners to send theirs in. Mine still worked fine with the rail gone, I can imagine that if someone ever died from a broken rail Glock that jammed that Glock would be liable due to their silence.

People complain about Glock silence on issues. As much as I hate their weapons, they handle known problems just like every other company on the planet. Especially the auto industry.

When something goes horribly wrong with a Ford model line, Ford doesn't just issue a recall. Their beancounters and lawyers get together and weight the cost of doing the recall against the cost of not issuing it and dealing with potential lawsuits.

They go with which ever one costs them less.

Granted there is much more to the equation, but that's the bare bones of it.

How much would Glock be out if they issued a recall? How many pistols of that model have been sold that Glock now has to pay the shipping, repair, and parts of, even on models not sold yet?

Usually much more than just being quiet and waiting for them to trickle in when the few people that have them break at 30k rounds send them in.

It's business. Simple business.

weisse52
January 16, 2008, 06:44 PM
Glocks are simple, incredibly reliable guns...nothing wrong with that.

Just as annoying as the Glock fanboys nare the ANTI-glock fanboys who are totally pro XD or M&P....especially because to most of us they are basically all the same cheap, reliable, unexciting, plastic guns...

polymer brings out a low-rent group at times. Its like a fistfight in a Walmart parking lot over Ford-vs-Chevy. Just not very meaningful.


+1

You can get the same reaction is you ask what the best 1911 is.

Dain Bramage
January 16, 2008, 06:59 PM
Lessee, my G30 failed to feed some weird-profile JSWCs that came in a bowling bag full of ammo I bought from a friend-of-a-friend. I also had some hard primer issues with one box of MSM ammo, which didn't go away with a firing pin channel cleaning, but never happened again with other ammo. Even other MSM.

That's about it.

R&J
January 16, 2008, 07:54 PM
Not surprisingly, the blown up G20 involved hand loads... 99% of all kabooms I've researched involved hand loads...

Not that factory ammo can't be hinky. I just received another batch of CCI Blazer .45 ACP where cartridge length varies up to 1/8". The short ones will not feed properly, and may well be over-pressured due to bullet set-back. I will send a pic of this faulty ammo later...

My Glock Experience To Date:

G17
Rounds Fired: 9,500+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: None. Performance Has Been Flawless.

G19
Rounds Fired: 9,000+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: Four FTFs Traced To One Faulty Magazine. Gun Has Been 100% Flawless Since Replacement--Including 33-Round Magazine.

G21
Rounds Fired: 10,000+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: Six FTFs Traced To Faulty Ammo. Two FTFs Traced
To New Shooter's Grip. Otherwise Gun Has Been Flawless. This .45 ACP is 100%, And Is My Bedside Gun.

--Ray

Joe the Redneck
January 16, 2008, 08:39 PM
Here is how not to have a negative experience.

Try before you buy. They do not fit every hand well.

Also, look at you gun and say, "I will never, for any reason, regardless of what I am told or may believe, fire reloaded ammo through this weapon." If you can't live with that, don't buy it.

Joe

Waywatcher
January 16, 2008, 08:57 PM
Polygonal rifling and lead don't mix... most KB's are attributable to reloads.

if more people started shooting Kahr P9 with lead reloads you'd hear all about Kahr KB's.

There's a huge amount of glocks out there and its just a matter of time until someone blows one up witha faulty reload--its just statstics. Theres about 99.99% of glock owners who never have one blowup.

The only Kaboom I have ever seen in real life was a S&W .357 shooting---you guessed it--reloads.

Quack
January 16, 2008, 09:03 PM
not my experience, but one i heard of (from a guy also picking up a gun) when i was picking up a G19 from my FFL. the guy put his G19 away in the old tupperware box with a round chambered & shot his pinky off. didn't that label say not to put a loaded Glock away in the tupperware?


anyways, my experience has been all positive.

mes228
January 16, 2008, 09:07 PM
For reliability, weight, accuracy, cost, and every other measurement possible. The Glocks, especially the Model 23, are the best handguns ever produced. Especially for self defense and combat. Thats my opinion based on owning them and many other pistols. I like other designs better for the range (1911's).

jaysouth
January 16, 2008, 09:14 PM
Mine has it in for ME!!

When I shoot it, it won't hit crap.

When my buddies shoot it, it tears ragged fist size holes in a 25 yard target.

Maybe a lorcin or hipoint would treat me a little better. I do feed the ingrateful thing after all.

possum
January 16, 2008, 09:28 PM
all the glocks that i have owned or shot have been 100% reliable, and plenty accurate. i don't care for the grip angle and the size but that isn't the fault of the pistol. they are great guns that deserve all the hype that they get. i owned a 19 but no longer do. but that isn't to say that i wouldn't have one again or that i wouldn't carry one if the chance preseted itself. i sold the 19 to buy my 2d xd!:)

R&J
January 16, 2008, 09:30 PM
Here is how not to have a negative experience.

1) Try before you buy. They do not fit every hand well.

2) Also, look at you gun and say, "I will never, for any reason, regardless of what I am told or may believe, fire reloaded ammo through this weapon." If you can't live with that, don't buy it.

Joe

*****

1) Sound advice, always! No gun fits everybody equally well.

2) Either that, or add a $100.00 aftermarket barrel designed for exactly that purpose: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=238

The OEM barrel/chamber is an integral part of the Glock's legendary reliability. Tight enough for accuracy. Loose enough for reliability--in environmental extremes. You may recall that the ultra precise German Lugers, seized up at the Russian Front... A Glock will cycle under water.

The OEM chamber is a bit loose for reloading purposes, as it allows the case to swell a little, thereby weakening the case wall. That fact, along with the factory rifling (which squeezes a little extra velocity from the bullet, but is prone to lead fouling), is the reason an aftermarket barrel is suggested for shooting naked lead reloads. No secrets there.

To the small extent that I care what people think, I take some offense to the Kool-Aid analogy. I possess a reasonable intelligence, and make decisions based on personal experience and correlated facts. My personal experience with G17, G19 & G21 has been excellent. That said, I recommend them. Were the inverse true, I'd advise against them with equal conviction.

It is what it is...

What's more, I've had a good experience with a KKM .45 ACP : 10 mm Conversion Barrel, shooting Double Tap ammo from my G21! It's about 90% reliable as is, but I'm still tweaking... The gun is 100% in .45 ACP mode.

I see no reason an aftermarket barrel and reloads could not be tweaked to 100% reliability in your climate and locality.

--Ray

Lonestar49
January 16, 2008, 09:36 PM
...

I don't own a Glock, but..

I did stay in a Glock Inn the other day and I got what I paid for.. :neener:


Ls

Bullet
January 16, 2008, 11:11 PM
Joe the Redneck
Also, look at you gun and say, "I will never, for any reason, regardless of what I am told or may believe, fire reloaded ammo through this weapon." If you can't live with that, don't buy it.

Dang, my reloads are all I’ve ever shot in my Glocks, but only jacketed bullets.:eek:

Prince Yamato
January 17, 2008, 03:32 AM
I traded my Springfield GI 1911 for a Glock 26... I don't regret the trade at all. In fact, I wish I had another 1911 so I could trade it for a Glock 34. :D

RON in PA
January 17, 2008, 04:28 AM
I got rid of a G19 and a G26 because jammed with JHP ammo. They were fine with ball ammo. I currently have a G19C. It seems to shoot anything I feed it.

pablo45
January 17, 2008, 04:36 AM
I am a Glock fanboy and I have never had any bad experiences at all. Love them.

I have a few friends who prefer the Xd and M&P because they have smaller hands than me. They like Glock's but they are too small to handle one and enjoy it.

wally
January 17, 2008, 08:01 AM
if more people started shooting Kahr P9 with lead reloads you'd hear all about Kahr KB's.


Kahr offers the significantly lower priced CW9 and CW40 with conventional rifling for those wanting to shoot lead bullets. The $150+ lower initial prices makes them the ones to get for the economically minded sub compact shooter.

--wally.

ufcfan1
January 17, 2008, 04:32 PM
First stay away from Glocktalk.com - it's like a cult over there. It's impossible to get objective information on that site. I love the 9mm Glocks, about as durable and reliable a gun as you will find. The 40 Glocks are a bit more hit and miss, I don't care for their recoil and spotty history. The G21 and G20 have great reputations and are also fairly controllable, the downside being their fat grips. If you have small hands it might be an issue. I have no experience with the 357 Glocks, but I would imagine they would similar to the 40's.

Hope this helps. :banghead:

XDKingslayer
January 17, 2008, 04:35 PM
Bad experience with Glocks?

Does getting banned from GlockTalk count?

R&J
January 17, 2008, 04:58 PM
1) First stay away from Glocktalk.com - it's like a cult over there. It's impossible to get objective information on that site.

2) I love the 9mm Glocks, about as durable and reliable a gun as you will find.

3) The 40 Glocks are a bit more hit and miss, I don't care for their recoil and spotty history.

4) The G21 and G20 have great reputations and are also fairly controllable, the downside being their fat grips. If you have small hands it might be an issue.

5) I have no experience with the 357 Glocks, but I would imagine they would similar to the 40's.

*****

1) My direct experience with Glock Talk shows that statement to be largely untrue. I've received some very good information from that website. Yes, they have their fanboys (fan is derived from the term "fanatic", you know), but there are objective players there too--and a lot of experience.

It is Glock Talk after all. You can't expect to walk into a Green Bay bar, touting the virtues of the Vikings, without getting some heat! Duh!

THR has it's hard-core Glock haters too...

2) We own G17 & G19, and I'd have to agree.

3) Our market is glutted with used .40's, as it's a LE issue. I rented the G22, and enjoyed it well enough, but passed over this caliber when selecting my guns.

4) My G21 is my bedside gun. It's 100% as a .45 ACP, and works well with a 10 mm KKM Conversion Barrel. A close friend of mine has a 1st Gen G20 with over 30,000 rounds on it.

Note: I have big hands.

5) I rented a G31 as well, putting 200 rounds through it. I liked it! But I passed over this caliber as well, when selecting my own guns.

In order of purchase:

G21 10/2005 First Handgun Purchase
G19 12/2005 Christmas Gift For Judy
G17 06/2006 Dedicated Range Pistol For Me

KKM 12/2006 .45 ACP : 10 mm Conversion Kit From LWD

Each gun has over 8500 rounds on it, plus some 1200 10 mm.

Parts Worn Out: Zero
Repairs Made: Zero
Regrets To Date: Zero

I've tried all manner of OEM ammos, including +P. Preferred ammos are CCI Blazer and Double Tap.

My Glock experience has been excellent! That's not Kool-Aid, that's not fanaticism, that's a fact!

I do get the ergonomics thing... By analogy, I like the Audi TT, but I don't fit in it! :(

--Ray

R&J
January 17, 2008, 05:00 PM
Does getting banned from GlockTalk count?

*****

Depends on why they heaved you. :scrutiny:

--Ray

chieftain
January 17, 2008, 06:15 PM
When something goes horribly wrong with a Ford model line, Ford doesn't just issue a recall. Their beancounters and lawyers get together and weight the cost of doing the recall against the cost of not issuing it and dealing with potential lawsuits.

Not true. Sitting here, I donít remember the agency, but the government forces or demands most Recalls today. When they involve anything to do with safety.


... most KB's are attributable to reloads.

I have found that to be true. Most of the KBís of all brands of weapons including Glock that I have witnessed or been in the area for were reload induced.

With that said:

About 10 years ago, I witnessed a friend of mineís 21 KB on Federal American Eagle 230gr. That may have been the only brand he fired through that weapon. I would guestamate that he had about 3600 rounds through it when it KBíd all factory loads. I was in the area for a 23 KB once, The guy was shooting Remington UMC 230gr when it KBíd. I didnít know the shooter or the weapon well enough to pass any assumptions on it besides that it KB'd on factory ammo.


I love the 9mm Glocks, about as durable and reliable a gun as you will find. The 40 Glocks are a bit more hit and miss,

I agree. I got rid of all my 45 cal glocks years ago. Never did like the 40 S&W in any weapon. But the 9mm Glocks are pretty good. I have had a bunch over the years, down to 3 right now.

Glock makes reliable guns. I think there are other brands/models that are marginally more reliable. But not enough to make a functional difference. I think the Glocks primary problem for years was their poor magazines. Todayís magazines are much better than the first generation 17ís non drop models. And I ainít talking about not having the ability to drop either. They would regularly twist up the follower.

Then Glock has had itís long line of non recall recalls starting in the early 90ís. I have not cared for the way Glock has handled them.

Glock has had more recalls than most other manufacturers. They all have some. Glock has had a bunch.

I have seen 17ís with their barrel lugs sheared. I have seen 23ís with the rails sheared.

Their small parts break as much as anyone elseís. Trigger springs, slide locks, slide lock springs etcÖ.

Several Police departments have found the 40 cal Glocks start having increased problems around the 25,000 round mark. Probably normal wear and tear. I would expect the same or marginally faster wear in the 357SIG models.

I like Glocks. It is not my CCW weapon, But I would have no problem carrying a 17, 19, or 34 for a Service pistol. AS long I didnít have to swim with it on any regular basis. (then corrosion becomes a problem with the metal lined magazines. One reason outfits like the SEALís will not use them. But a non issue with most of us and me.)

Have I ever carried a Glock for CCW. Yes. But only rare occasions. Usually when I expected the weapon to take a lot of abuse. I donít like to beat up my 1911ís or Hipowers that way. They can handle it, but it does them damage and reduces their value. I would rather do that to a Glock.

Glock fan, no, Glock basher, no. Just my analysis of a very good weapon system. My recommendation to most folks, is to stick with a 9mm Glock and you canít go to far wrong.

Itís America, and we have choices.

Good luck

Fred

clarence2005w
January 17, 2008, 08:49 PM
If you have a local gun shop that rents different firearms ask them what gives them the most problems. The one I frequent says m&p's are problematic and glocks are totally reliable. The fact is you don't even have to clean them. A nother good thing is if you do have a problem you can fix it yourself and don't need to send it off to be worked on. If you are not going to shoot it alot and it feels good in your hand the m&p is a fine weapon. Ask the people who deal with them on a daily basis.

mrheythere
January 17, 2008, 10:57 PM
My glocks (I own 6) have been 100% reliable. I wish I could say that about my HK p2000SK.

Glocks can take a ton of abuse outdoors and function fine. Nearly impervious to the elements and easy to clean and fix.

sandwich
January 18, 2008, 03:55 AM
besides the lack of any panache or class... no complaints

Wow, how do define class in the context of owning a handgun? Glocks have no class? Explain that to me.

As for your question, the only negative experience I had with a Glock was when I shot my Grandfather's Glock in .40 S&W (unsure of the model). It was an uncomfortable experience, because the grip didn't feel natural and I was missing pretty badly. Because of that, for a long time I told myself that Glocks sucked and that I would stay away from them.

A long time after that, I was at an indoor pistol range and saw a Glock 30 in .45 ACP. I decided to give it a try. After I was finished with it I was convinced that the Glock 30 was one of the best handguns available today. I still believe that.

Dorryn
January 18, 2008, 09:21 AM
Since I fire .40 S&W reloads in my G27 with an OEM barrel, I am in fact worried that one day I will blow myself up.

XDKingslayer
January 18, 2008, 10:01 AM
Depends on why they heaved you.

Some guy posted pics of his wife and I asked what happened to her nose.

gym
January 18, 2008, 10:07 AM
I have 2 ,a 23 and a 30, they are 10-13 years old, they still shoot as good as ever, when taking down the 23, soon after I bought it, the recoil spring assembly, fell apart, the rod had snaped, If I haden't taken it apart, I wouldn't have known, the gun had not malfunctioned during firing, so either that gun is damm good, bebause it still worked even broken, or it broke on the last shot. Either way. I still feel secure with either.

Uglyoldpoorman
January 18, 2008, 11:03 AM
Not really a bad experience because I just bought my GLK 27 over Xmas and it really is a little hand cannon. Took me a few rounds to get used to its bark and it's kick. After that it was damn, it really is all you have heard as far as accuracy.

I don't think I will wear it concealed for a long period of time but for trips to the mall and other places that make me very nervous it will be on me. For all day I have a S&W 642 with crimson trace laser.

dust_101
January 18, 2008, 11:25 AM
I saw this:

http://www.jimsgunsupply.com/DuraCoat/dc/DuraCoat_Glock_PinkLady.jpg

....it was a very negative experience. :barf:

Ed4032
January 18, 2008, 11:29 AM
Yeah, I had a negative Glock experience. I pick one up at a gun show. It was so ugly I got sick.

Mulepacker1
January 18, 2008, 04:50 PM
I have a G-17 Dept. issue, been carrying it from 2002 every day never failed. I also have a G-23 for off duty carry and have had no trouble with it. I have many single action revolvers, 1 38+P 5 shot wheel gun and two 1911's. I came to Glocks kicking and screaming in Oct . 2001 and have come to depend on and respect them as a weapons system. But they are still Combat Tupperware !!!!

DrewH
January 18, 2008, 05:19 PM
I like Glocks. It is not my CCW weapon, But I would have no problem carrying a 17, 19, or 34 for a Service pistol. AS long I didn’t have to swim with it on any regular basis.

Pray tell, what pistol do you recommend for regularly swimming with :)

I have G17/G19s for carry. Good guns. I don't like .40 S&W and don't think Glocks are the best guns in that calibre.

I did have problems with older generation magazines and faillures to feed JHPs in my G19s, switching to the newest "5" or "6" magazines solved the problem.

BobbyQuickdraw
January 18, 2008, 06:41 PM
I don't love the feel, but its not uncomfortable. I'm completely comfortable shooting my Glock.

I have had no problems with the weapon.

I have had 3 FTFs, 1 of which was 100% a bad primer, 1 of which was 100% a jam (stovepipe), and I dont remember what the 3rd was, as it was several years ago.

So basically only 1 FTF that is attributable to the gun, not the ammo.

chieftain
January 18, 2008, 06:46 PM
Pray tell, what pistol do you recommend for regularly swimming with

The SEAL's used to swim with S&W's 686 in 6" barrels IIRC.

Go figure.

Fred

mgregg85
January 18, 2008, 07:20 PM
I almost bought a glock 21 and I thank god every day that I didn't. The monster grip on that thing is awful. I shot about 100 rounds through it at the range and then spent the extra $50 for a new XD45.

My advice to you is check out the XD line, they have much better grip angles and with the addition of a grip safety, less chances of negligent or accidental discharges. Also I like the loaded chamber indicator on top, very handy.

sinistr
January 18, 2008, 08:21 PM
one complaint...they eat up ammo too quick.

AK103K
January 18, 2008, 10:14 PM
I had a 17 that refused to work after the first 200 rounds. No matter how hard you tried, you couldnt pull the trigger. It went back and was returned, deemed fixed. They included a note saying the gun was "to dry" and needed lubing. It was lubed as far as I knew, but what do I know. It wasnt long before the same exact problem cropped up. That time, they replaced pretty much everything, including the slide, which they told me had a crack in the breach face, and the gun was "to dry" again. News to me, again. Never saw a crack, but the breach face was always rough, maybe it was hidden in one of the machine marks.

I got rid of it when it came back. Never trusted it after that, and I got rid of my 19's soon after.

Other than their metal finish, which I think is one of the best, I havent missed them in the least.

TOADMAN
January 18, 2008, 11:27 PM
Owned several Glocks to include 9mm, 40cal and 45ACP glocks.. Countless rounds down range.. No problems..

wig
January 19, 2008, 03:03 AM
I'm no Glock fanboy - H&K and SIG fanboy maybe - but I got a 26 just for CCW purposes. Main reason over the others? Simple ability to modify and improve the works (polishing, replacement components, etc). Couple that with a tiny size and it's a great package.

On the other hand, I just don't get what people see in the full-size models. Eh, to each their own!

bkjeffrey
January 19, 2008, 03:16 AM
My home, two human lives, and my dog all rely my Glock 21. My truck relies on my Glock 26. 10,000+ rounds plus between the two and I honestly cant remember but two misfires, but I think that was some bad ammo, because the primers had been struck, rounds didnt go off though.

Zach S
January 19, 2008, 06:17 AM
A guy I work with has a brother who was married and she knew a guy who's uncle lost 3 fingers to a kB! in a G23...

j/k, although .40 glock kB!s do happen, and I'm not gonna read all four pages to see this thread turned into a debate about that, to be honest, I didnt read much of the first page, and probably wont look back at this thread. I know of one kB! that happened at the range I frequent, didnt see the old pistol, but I did see the replacement that glock sent, free of charge.

I've seen two, maybe three trigger springs break. One in a range rental G19, another in a customer's G17 or 22. I think I had one break in my fitst G17 as well, I honestly dont remember. Two have launched a hot slide downrange, the takedown spring broke. One of these was the same G19 range rental, and the other was a customer's gun around the same time. I've seen the front sight fall off of one, and several that were replaced because they were generally beat to crap. I dont know if the one that fell off was beat to crap or not.

The gun will still fire with the triggerspring broke, as long as the trigger is pulled when it returns to battery. You probably wont notice it if it happens untill you have to reload. In which case you'll have to rack the slide with your finger on the trigger.

Other than the two times I saw the takedown spring break, I havent heard of it happening.

Replace the front sight with an aftermarket and dont look back. I should aslo note that the sight that fell off, and the ones that were beat to crap were the default plastic sights, not the glock night sights.

I'm a 1911 fan, and I dislike glocks. However I own a G19, previously owned two G17s on different occasions, and I wouldnt hesitate to reccomend them to anyone. They arent the best handguns out there, but they are great pistols for the moeny IMO.

If you get a compact, say a G19 or 23, I reccomend buying full-size mags for it. This way the mags you collect will work in the new pistol if you get a fuss-size down the road. Not to mention most of the time they're the same price and hald more ammo.

jonboynumba1
January 19, 2008, 10:19 AM
I've owned 6 of them all with several thousands through them and not one failure ever. I did buy a used G21 that the ejector had been goobers up on (people look at it and think...oh no I bent it...then they try to straighten it out (snap) they sent me one within 3 days of my call...narry a problem after that...actually it ejected properly 90% of the time with the broken ejector. great service and company...if they fit your hand and point well for you you can't do better for under $600 IMHO


The only failures I have firsthand knowledge of (people I know) the training school guy I know had a 19 blown up by some wolf ammo (they bought the gun) they had a sig blown up by some crappy reloads (they bought that gun) I think he said there was another glock wolf bought before they banned wolf ammo (as wolf stated they would not buy anymore guns their crappy ammo malfed and messed up in) I'm pretty sure there was a second gun with the reload ammo (think it was zero ammo) wanna say it was an M&P This is over a 2 year period where quallity ammo was hard for them to get (through state aproved outlets)

Another bud...a training officer in a metro PD had a G17 rail actually come loose...they fixed it (new frame) it was a really old gun...his current 17 has over 40,000 rounds on it and is just starting to show loss of accuracy...I believe he bough another GLOCK...I forget which model (haven't been down to see him in a while)

Only one I've SEEN was a plastic guidrod assembly in a G30 when a customer tried to reassemble the gun incorrectly and forced it...they sent me a new one free of charge. We sell a few dozen a year....NEVER had one returned for any warranty service. That's a pretty good record. If you do manage to break it...they will take care of you.

Brenainn
January 19, 2008, 11:50 AM
As much as I like the idea of Glocks, I just can't shoot them. The synthetic grip rubs my hand raw. It's something about the type of grid and the mixture of sweaty hands - especially while shooting in the summer.

And here is the other problem, but you probably won't have an issue with this. I am a female so my hands are small, every Glock I have ever tried out has always been too big for my hand.

Otherwise, I sure wish I could affectively shoot them, because they really are one of the best pistols out there in my opinion!

Good luck!

Z71
January 19, 2008, 01:29 PM
I have an older(1986 or so) G17. Well used, but prefectly servicable.

Only real issues were a worn out mainspring and broken recoil spring rod. Plus, like somebody mentioned above, my older Glock 17 but rarely locks the slide back empty.

Other than being well used and needing a recoil spring. The slide not locking back has been the only issue. The pistol shoots great, accurate and jam free.

Glock warns about lead bullets and reloads not to be used in it's pistols. No proof, but from kabooms in other makes of guns, I bet reloads would explain a substantial majority of Glock problems. Some Glocks are not equipped with much chamber support at the feed ramp. A hot load in a used case(especially .40S&W) leads to a ruptured case and busted gun.

I don't think Glocks are all that perfect. But then no handgun is going to do too well if you feed it you own "blue pill" loads!

PhillyGlocker
January 19, 2008, 08:08 PM
Why start this kind of thread. Glock bashers will come out of the woodworks to rag on my favorite pistol. Plain and simple, Glock is one of the best. Don't listen to the negative comments. Their sales and track record speaks volumes. I just picked up a G19 on Monday, and it's a dream. You will love the Glock, but I must warn you, you will become addicted.

gym
January 19, 2008, 08:10 PM
Glock good

Markbo
January 19, 2008, 08:29 PM
Who's had negative Glock experience??

I have. Every time I have ever fired one. The triger guard is made too close to the tip of the trigger and for whatever reason, my finger drags along the inside of the trigger guard. It just bugs the crap out of me!

If it weren't for that I would probably have several.

crebralfix
January 19, 2008, 11:38 PM
Glock 23: Channel liner cracked, causing periodic light primer strikes. $2 and five minutes later, it was fixed.

New Glock 19: Friend's new G19 jammed a bunch in the first 100 rounds. Found a burr on the back of the barrel. Ripped it off with another 100 rounds through the gun.

Location of the magazine release: the top part of my middle finger will occasionally press the button on the draw. Shaving it with a razor blade solves the problem.

Other than a few jams here an there across a bunch of rounds (more than 10,000 but less than 30,000) and a bunch of guns (5 or 6), nothing really negative to report.

Actually, the G21 is the ONLY semi-auto I can get my dad to shoot. All others are too small or silly like the Desert Eagle. In that respect it's been very positive.

PhillyGlocker
January 20, 2008, 05:36 PM
This just a thread to get the Glock haters going. My goodness. Does the Glock hate ever stop? They are one of the best pistols of the century. Give it a break. I hope you'll be creating the same thread about other pistols. Why single out Glock? I'm a current owner of 3 Glocks, each with zero problems since I bought them. Let's stop this nonsense please.

Dilbert
January 20, 2008, 05:54 PM
The Glock plant is near my home, just outside of Atlanta. Over the years I have taken two Glocks in for service there. A tech is called up to talk with you about the problem when you come in. On one trip my gun was repaired, all worn parts replaced, and test fired, while I waited. Ditto the second time only it took a little longer, so I went over to Wendy's and ate a hamburger. Zero cost each time. Both guns were models that I had bought used. No horror stories here, only great customer service.

AK103K
January 20, 2008, 06:39 PM
they are one of the best pistols of the century.
They are maybe if you havent had one not work at all, and more than once to boot. Kind of kills your enthusiasm and all.

I hope you'll be creating the same thread about other pistols.
Might as well rev up the 1911 hate thread. I had a bunch of the new wonder 1911's that were worse than my Glock. S&W too has had a few, as has Walther, and a few others.

I'm still working my way through the different makers, and so far, HK and SIG are the only ones I've never had to return for any kind of service. Colt is in the list too, but even the best 1911's, especially the older ones, still need "something" to be perfect, so I'll leave them out of 100%.

Why single out Glock?
Cause its a Glock thread....di ya! :)

I'm a current owner of 3 Glocks, each with zero problems since I bought them.
Well, I'd say your on your way....

When you break five your getting there, ten and your onto a good thing. :)

Markbo
January 20, 2008, 07:40 PM
hmmm... interesting that any negative comments about ANY gun brings out 'oh you just hate the ___________" crowd.

I don't remember saying or reading anything about hating Glocks in this thread. Just people relating their experiences including a lot of praise.

If you want to defend the Glock, do so but lumping everyone in a category that doesn't agree with you as 'haters' is simply not correct. The only real hate post I remember is the 2nd post by Axeman.

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