antybody know where to apply in new york state for chl by non resident??
280PLUS
July 28, 2003, 07:50 PM
just curious, thought i might start collecting chl s from different states so i dont have to disarm if i leave ct
thanx
m
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Lictalon
July 28, 2003, 09:16 PM
I was under the impression that New York didn't issue permits to non-residents. If you find out differently, let me know...but I think you're outta luck. :cuss:
Graystar
July 28, 2003, 09:31 PM
Even residents can't get a carry license without really good cause (or knowing someone in a high place.)
NY doesn't issue any kind of firearm license to non-residents.
Legionnaire
July 28, 2003, 09:42 PM
Sorry. Graystar said it. No non-resident pistol permits.
280PLUS
July 29, 2003, 07:42 AM
ny will allow nonresident chl, but i'll check further
thanx
m
hah, the part i just reread says "a non resident may not carry a handgun unless they possess a valid ny state permit"
or words close to that
thats a roundabout way of saying "sure you can carry a gun long as you have the permit, but just try and get the permit"
i had similar trouble with a heating and cooling license in rhode island with my ct license, couldnt work without a RI license but no matter how many times i called the state they never sent me the application
even thought they said they would each and every time
eventually i gave up
beauracracy at its finest folks!
:barf:
oh remind me to NEVER move to ny
Legionnaire
July 29, 2003, 10:00 AM
280PLUS, this from the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association web site: "No person may carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license. New York does not issue licenses to non-residents nor does it recognize licenses issued by other states. (A provision of federal law provides a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel ...)" (Emphasis added.)
NY is not a "shall issue" state. Permits are issued at the county level (even though they are good state wide), and the judge has discretion. As there is no "shall issue" provision, there is no normal way for a non-resident to apply for a permit. I've heard rumour, though, that on occasion, non-residents have been granted restricted permits for specific applications. For example, I have heard (but cannot confirm) that some non-resident students have been given permits that let them compete while attending university in the state. I also think there is a provision for non-resident to bring handguns into the state for NRA-sanctioned competitions. But generally speaking, it's hard for a RESIDENT to get an unrestricted carry permit, much less a non-resident.
dinosaur
July 29, 2003, 01:02 PM
$10,000 in small bills and a knock on Bloomberg`s door and you`ll be on your way. :evil:
Sunray
July 29, 2003, 02:40 PM
"...No non-resident pistol permits..." This new in the last 10 years or so? I know guys who have or had NYS handgun hunting permits. Canadian guys. Not only non-residents, but furriners too.
mete
July 29, 2003, 02:56 PM
Sunray, that's always been the case . While I have known people (VERY few) that have nonresident permits they always had connections. And during NYS Empire games where they invited people from out of state they suddenly realized there was a problem so they made some special arrangements.
mjustice
July 29, 2003, 03:00 PM
New York DOES issue nonresident permits if you have standing to apply. This is usually limited to New York business owners who reside in another state (usually an adjoining state). This is because you have to apply to the licensing officer in the county you reside in or your business is principally located in. The only people who can apply to the State Police are retired state troopers.
But you don't have to take my word for it - it's all written in Penal Law ยง400.00.
MJ
280PLUS
July 29, 2003, 05:02 PM
even though i am a law abiding citizen trusted by the st of ct to carry a handgun,
i must disarm myself prior to entering ny state
well, this is one source of out of state money that won't be spending his $ in ny anytime soon,,,
you can quote me to your respective legislators if you so desire
tell 'em my money is going to vermont, where they got respect
:neener:
Legionnaire
July 29, 2003, 05:16 PM
Yup ... and when I move to PA (where I have a non-resident permit), I'll lose my NY permit. Sucks, don't it? :banghead:
Sean Cloherty
July 29, 2003, 10:08 PM
For carry laws, http://www.packing.org. It's a great resource which specializes in that area.
243_shooter
July 29, 2003, 10:39 PM
It depends a lot on the county how hard it is / isn't to get a permit. I've yet to meet anyone who has been turned down without some type of reasonable reason (felon, blah, blah, blah).. In good 'ole Essex county. Very rural area, still somewhat 'old-fashioned'.
It is a pain to apply however, and takes a while (buddy just hit the 6 month mark a few days ago).
It's a lousy system, but it could be MUCH, MUCH worse if the rotten portion of the state (otherwise known as NYC) decided to force their way on the rest of the state, and I'm thankfull for that. (they elected hillary, so nothing else would suprise me.).
If you move out of state your supposed to turn in your permit?
Leo
Legionnaire
July 30, 2003, 07:33 AM
If you move out of state your supposed to turn in your permit? You are supposed to notify the county sheriff of any change of address within ten days. If your move was out of state, I suspect that would result in the permit being revoked, although I can't say for certain. I wouldn't want to be caught carrying on a NY permit when all my other ID indicated I was not a state resident ... even though the permits don't expire.
Good question, now that you ask it specifically. I'll have to research that one. Anybody else able to shed any light on this?
Hawkman
July 30, 2003, 09:26 AM
I occasionally get a non-resident hunting license in NYS to hunt with my father-in-law. One year I decided I wanted to handgun hunt, because the regs specifically allowed it. Imagine my surprise when the Attorney General's office (yes, I called) told me I could not get a permit to bring a handgun into NYS for ANY purpose, much less hunting.
I took it anyway. Screw'em.
mjustice
July 30, 2003, 09:27 AM
If you move out of state your supposed to turn in your permit?
If you move out of state, you are supposed to notify the licensing officer withing 10 days of the move. If you move out of state, you are technically no longer meeting the standards for issuance, and your license is usually cancelled. In one instance, I was told of a licensing officer who demanded that a licensee who moved across the country come back to NY and transfer his guns off his license - a quick phone call to a judge fixed that :)
However, many NYS residents who find themselves living somewhere else usually do not move out of state - they move to their parents home, or the basement of a close friend or relative. ;)
MJ
NOTE: I do not advocate or suggest that licensees break the law. I am just reporting on common practices. :)
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