[KC]

Essay on Moore (http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110003807) from WSJ Opinion Journal. Nice reading, but it's about 13000 characters too long to post here. Very much worth reading.

KC

[veloce851]

and some idiots think he's worthy of ruining our lives.. er I mean running.
Moore petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/mmoore/petition.html)

[Kreed]

Micheal Moore is a hypocritical, pompous a$$ whose personal agenda is as plain on the nose on his ugly, fat face.

Moore's latest "book", "Ugly White Men", must be an autobiography. The man is just dying to BE somebody. Sorry, Mike. Agitate all you want, no one worth a damn is listening.

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[foghornl]

My humble [ahem] opinion of Mikey Moore cannot be published in this forum.

[longeyes]

Moore's a jerk but he provides the ammunition for what a lot of
a people want to hear, want to believe. How many of his fans do
you think are going to gloss his books or films for lies and
errors? He's a successful propagandist. That makes him dangerous.

[Mark Tyson]

Moore is a pompous, bloated windbag who hides behind a "hero of the working man" facade.

[Iain]

Remember that personality politics is one of the great blights of our age, hating Moore and saying so is one thing, intelligently countering his arguments is quite another.

[Duncan Idaho]

Remember that personality politics is one of the great blights of our age, hating Moore and saying so is one thing, intelligently countering his arguments is quite another.Name one "argument" that he has made, that he doesn't contradict in his own writings, "films", and/or life.

Name one.

[Iain]

I don't care about Moore's arguments, I don't necessarily agree with him (as you appear so quick to assume). Believing in entireity an article about Moore written by his opponents is as short-sighted as believing his arguments in entireity.

[Duncan Idaho]

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that you may have mistakenly assumed the Mr. Moore has put forth an argument at some time in his misbegotten life.

You suggested that we counter his arguments with our own. I am stating that I know of not one single "argument" that he has made. And for that matter, I am asserting that even if one were to mistake something he has said or done for an argument, that he will have already contradicted his psuedo-argument in his own personal life, his own writings, his own films...

Hence, there would be no need for me to counter anything. He has already done that himself.

[Mark Tyson]

OK, fair enough. What are Moore's arguments? If you ask me, he is asserting that American culture is sick. He paints a dismal picture of the average American and takes us to task for our treatment of our own citizens and other countries. Moore says that we are selfish, polluting and violence-prone, and that we are basically the source of much of the evil in the world.

Now for the record, I would describe myself as a moderate liberal. But I think that Moore goes totally overboard. While there are plenty of problems in this country, things aren't that bad. You want to see poverty? Go to Mexico. You want to see bad government? Go to Russia. Racism? Take a look at Kosovo, at trenches filled with bodies(where we intervened to stop that horror). Here in the U.S. we have welfare families with color TV's for crying out loud. Americans give a lot to charity, and workplace safety legislation over the past decades has helped to protect the very blue collar workers Moore champions. Overseas we have saved countries like South Korea and western Europe from abomidable tyrannies, and fear of U.S. power is surely a stabalizing influence in the world.

I don't think Moore's fans are real big on logical argument. If they were they would be more concerned about the allegations described in the article. This is some kind of fawning guilt complex.

[KC]

I have often wondered if Moore and his ilk wallow in self loathing and anti-Americanism if for the sole reason that this is one of the few nations that such behavior is allowed in such a public fashion. How many other countries would allow it citizenry to make a spectacle of hate speech directed against their government, their fellow citizens, their collective history, etc.? It would seem to be better that this sort of antic is (still) allowed, rather than it being banned by law. (Nevermind that I get the distinct impression that he and his would jump at the opportunity to silence any view but theirs

But that doesn't mean I have to like the bastard, pay money or time to watch his propaganda films, or listen to girl-groups that support him.

KC

[Deepdiver]

Michael Moore? a waste of skin, ....IMHO!