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MCgunner
January 17, 2008, 03:24 PM
Just wondering if anyone makes a cane gun of new manufacture? Tried googling, but all I get is info on antiques.

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2Ais4U
January 17, 2008, 03:28 PM
I saw one online a while back but I cant remember where. If I find the link I will post it for ya.

GRIZ22
January 17, 2008, 03:30 PM
No one can legally make/sell cane guns other than original antiques. Not sure of the exact statute but cane guns are illegal because Federal law says a gun has to look like a gun not a cane. This is the same statute that found the wallets made to hold the High Standard Derringer illegal. It made the gun look like a wallet.

GRIZ22
January 17, 2008, 03:34 PM
Maybe not illegal but might be classed as AOW.

MCgunner
January 17, 2008, 05:15 PM
No one can legally make/sell cane guns other than original antiques. Not sure of the exact statute but cane guns are illegal because Federal law says a gun has to look like a gun not a cane. This is the same statute that found the wallets made to hold the High Standard Derringer illegal. It made the gun look like a wallet.

Hmm, idiotic, but sounds about right, thanks. I've got two home made wallets, one holds my Grendel P12 and the other a smaller gun like the Kel Tec P3AT. I wonder if those would be illegal because "they look like wallets?" Hell, most pocket holsters try to mimic the look of a wallet in your pocket, after all. The guns can't be fired in these "wallet holsters", though. IIRC, the High Standard could, seem to recall a hole in the wallet for your trigger finger.

JKimball
January 17, 2008, 05:29 PM
Hmm....How about a pistol grip only shotgun with a 28" barrel? Can be used like a cane, but doesn't look like one. Not very discreet, but it would get the job done. :evil:

brickeyee
January 17, 2008, 06:14 PM
"The guns can't be fired in these "wallet holsters", though. IIRC, the High Standard could, seem to recall a hole in the wallet for your trigger finger."

If you can fire the gun while it is in the 'wallet' you will have problems under the AOW rules.

Timthinker
January 17, 2008, 06:22 PM
Are there loopholes in Federal law for a cane gun that is a muzzleloader? It might not be very practical, but it might be exempt from Federal legislation.


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PTK
January 17, 2008, 06:23 PM
They're perfectly legal (registered as AOWs per the 1934NFA) but I don't know any currently manufactured cane guns.

koginam
January 17, 2008, 07:13 PM
There are a few made in Germany, In the past I have built them in 45 LC. they have to be registered as AOW.

MCgunner
January 17, 2008, 07:51 PM
Are there loopholes in Federal law for a cane gun that is a muzzleloader? It might not be very practical, but it might be exempt from Federal legislation.

I'd buy one, but I'm bettin' it wouldn't be legal. Be neat if you could order one from Bass Pro or something. LOL

Ed Ames
January 17, 2008, 08:06 PM
Muzzleloaders are subject to all the NFA'34 restrictions (that includes the cane gun tax). They only avoid the CGA'68 burden. So if you want a cane gun you might as well make it a cartridge cane gun.

Timthinker
January 17, 2008, 08:25 PM
Ed, I was under the impression muzzleloaders were exempt from Federal, but not state and local, regulations. Have the guidelines changed regarding them? I confess that I have not kept up with Federal regulations regarding muzzleloaders recently. Any info you can provide will be appreciated.


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BigBlock
January 17, 2008, 09:12 PM
I'm pretty sure anything muzzleloading is nothing more than a hunk of metal, federally. That's why things like howdah pistols and .58 caliber rifles are legal.

Bazooka Joe71
January 17, 2008, 09:16 PM
"The guns can't be fired in these "wallet holsters", though. IIRC, the High Standard could, seem to recall a hole in the wallet for your trigger finger."


So I guess the MG disguised as a guitar case in "Desperado" is out of the question....:p

Bones11b
January 17, 2008, 09:19 PM
Haven't seen a cane gun in awhile but a local shop was selling .22 pen guns. I beleive they fell under AOW's. Pretty cool little guns, used the pocket clip to charge firin pin and to fire.

CypherNinja
January 17, 2008, 09:25 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90162186

Also check, Sturgewehr and SubGuns often. I have seen them for sale there, there is/was a gunsmith or two making them. $$$$$, seriously.


EDIT: Also, Non-AOW wallet holster: http://www.artofthehide.com/

Apparently, if the slide is fully exposed it is "discernible as a firearm" and avoids AOW status. Kinda like the Stinger pen guns that have to be folded before they fire.

gym
January 17, 2008, 09:31 PM
Looks like it's not hard to make one, just need machine shop for a day or so. I have thought about it before, just to lazy to do more than think about it.

Ed Ames
January 17, 2008, 09:35 PM
Actually, Timthinker/BigBlock, you're right more or less.

The term “firearm” shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector’s item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.

So technically some antiques or collector's items are subject to NFA... and some otherwise NFA items are not (if the Secretary finds they aren't)... but yeah, since the definition of antique is:

The term “antique firearm” means any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898) and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

It looks like you are right.

Dunno why I thought the NFA provisions (SBR, AOW, etc) included antiques. I read it somewhere but the law seems to say otherwise. Shrug.

Timthinker
January 17, 2008, 10:19 PM
Ed, thanks for your reply. Some years ago, I recall that caplock revolvers could have shoulder stocks attached to them without taxes, fines or other legal paperwork. This is prohibited for modern handguns under Federal law without jumping through all the proper guidelines. I assumed that Federal regulations still did not apply to blackpowder firearms like they do modern guns. But who knows what the future will bring.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to check things out.


Timthinker

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