[scrat]

I made a purchase from a local THR member. Thank you very much.

So quality of the pics are bad. I have to wait until my daughter brings back my camera.

On top Newly accuired Uberti Walker.
middle 1860 Army
Bottom 1851 Conf Navy

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/17Jan-11.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/17Jan-2.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/17Jan-71.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/17Jan-51.jpg

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http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/17Jan-41.jpg

[Im283]

Very nice!, How old are they?


Also, what is the difference between a Conf Navy and a Navy?

[scrat]

Brass frame mostly. Griswold gunnison was the original maker. These are all replicas.

The walker is all steel frame.

[Macmac]

The 51' has a cone site up front. The barrel is octagon. The rammer just pivots on a screw pin. The frame is scalloped where you place caps on.

The 60' has a blade ft sight. The barrel is round and has a refined curved sweep. The rammer had a pivot screw and runs a cogged rack and pinion beefing it up some for more driving power. The scallop area is more angular and has a slot like cut which is shallow central. The 60 can take a rifle stock in certain models.

Im283 I am comparing your gun to mine. Mine is set up with a steel frame and has the 2 screws for the stock. I can't see these 2 screws in this pic set..

[Im283]

Yes, the 1851 has seperate screws for the hammer, trigger and cylinder bolt.
The 60 has two screws, one for the hammer and one shared by trigger and cylinder bolt.

I wondered what the diference was between a 1851 confederate and a 1851 non confederate.

[Macmac]

Im283, My 60' had 3 screws just like your 51', but it has a screw extra on each side doing nothing. You would never even need to loosen it to click in a shoulder stock, because the screw head is under cut.

To make a picture in text, picture in your mine a pan head screw, with a washer under it. The pan head OD, is larger than the flat washer OD.

I forgot to mention the grip frame on the 60' had a half moon notch milled to take the adjustable shoulder stock lock.

I don't have the shoulder stock myself.

[mykeal]

he 60 has two screws, one for the hammer and one shared by trigger and cylinder bolt.


Huh? Do you mean a Colt 1860 Army? I've never seen that configuration before.

[sundance44s]

Im283 The confedrate Navy 51 ..is the Griswold & Gunnison they were produced in the South during the CivilWar ..it was a brass framed copy of a Colt Navy ..Some of the Itilian copys are 44 cal , but the South never produced that one ..The one the South produced are 36 cal and have a smooth round barrel , the cylinder is also smooth round / no engraveing on the cylinder , I bought one made by Pietta a few months ago , real nice copy in 36 cal .

[scrat]

i should have got the 36 cal. i bought the 44 pietta also. The quality is pretty good. The cylinder does not have the engraving on it either. Shoots pretty good. In some ways i wish i had a 36. In other ways im glad i dont. As all 3 of mine are 44 cal. Makes it easy to cast just for that and not have to buy two molds and mess with two different types. i have not shot the walker yet. i am casting .452. works really good. the 1860 seems to almost be smaller than a .452 as sometimes it shaves a little when loading the 1851 seems to be just fine. Accuracy is very good in both.

[pohill]

the 1860 seems to almost be smaller than a .452 as sometimes it shaves a little when loading

You want the ball to shave a ring of lead when you ram it. I use .454 in my .44s and .380 in my .36.

This is a High Standard "Griswold & Gunnison" .36
Note the round barrel.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/S4020007-1.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/S4020005.jpg

[sundance44s]

I`ve always liked the 44`s ..big balls make a bigger splat ..
I was trying to make up a CSA display case so I bought a Spiller and Burr and the Griswold both in 36 cal to be historically correct ..I`ve been shooting them some just to make them look used and turn the shinny brass dull . I have to admit ..it is fun shooting the 36 cals too . I hope I don`t get hooked .

[scrat]

Holly smokes who makes that. thats nice especially the grips. What is that maple. Cant be walnut too light

[pohill]

My Griswold & Gunnison was made by High Standard. The only markings on the gun are "Griswold & Gunnison C.S.A" on the side of the barrel and "High Standard, Hamden, CT U.S.A." on the top. Since it was made in the US there are no Italian proof marks.
I paid $150 for it, and I shoot it. A week after I bought it I saw one that sold on Gunbroker or Auction Arms for $567. I've seen a few since then that didn't sell at $300, so the prices are all over the place.
It's a great gun, a good shooter, and it looks good.

[sundance44s]

Trying to figure out pic posting here

[Im283]

Wow Pohill, just wow, what a beautiful revolver, I have not seen grips on a BP revolver that look as nice as that.

Also thank for explanations on what makes an 1851 Navy a Reb edition. I had always thought that the brass frame was the key to it. Fascinating to now know that the artwork on the cylinder and hexagonal barrel makes for a Federal model reproduction. I did know that .44 caliber was wrong but I thought that was for either Navy model.

Way back when I bought my 1851 I chose the .44 only because of it being a larger ball.

I will forever be indebted to Macmac for all the effort he is putting into repairing it for me. Can't wait to shoot it again! I might even try stripping down the grips and copying the lighter colored stain on the one in the above pics.

[pohill]

I always thought that the .44 Navy was historically incorrect until I saw the Colt Collection at the Hartford, CT state library last year. They have quite a collection of Colt prototypes that were never produced. One of them was an 1860 .44 Army with a round barrel but the Navy style hinged loading lever (as opposed to the creeping loading lever of the regular 1860 .44). They also had a Dragoon with a top strap like the Remingtons. They also had a .70 caliber revolving rifle that was too big to produce.
If you see a gun that you like, no matter if it's historically correct, get it. They're all great.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Mr. Scrat, nice pictures. They (pictures) appear to be of good quality to me..Nice looking Walker there to.
You to, Mr. Pohill...Okay...

[pohill]

Here's one with the octagonal barrel:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=89881367

[scrat]

You know what i think i am going to be buying a high standard gun. They look like some very good quality.

[pohill]

There are a few out there. If you're not in a hurry, keep checking Auction Arms and Gunbroker.
Here's a cheaper one, and it says they were made by Uberti.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/976914904/Guns/Pistols/Muzzleloading-Modern-Replica-Pistols/HIGH_STANDARD_GRISWOLD_GUNNISON_CSA_REVOLVER.htm

For a few bucks more...
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?cPath=156_175&products_id=2948&osCsid=9bcf63b424cfb2ca8771784d0ef0c224

[bigbadgun]

Scrat I warned you they are addictive now look at you, You are a full blown black powder junkie the purchase of the Walker means that there is no help for you. Nice little collection you got going there

[scrat]

haahahahahahha

your so right

[Macmac]

mykeal , yes my EMF kit 1860 Colt open top has 3 screws in the frame seen on the left side to run the gun and a screw on each side doing nothing, other that waiting for a rifle stock to show up.

I had assumed all 1860's did. I guess not..

I didn't add these and i didn't notch the gun butt either. I never bought a stock, so why would I have added anything else..

Strange you had the idea none had these, and I had the idea they ALl did...

Flicker blew my pics to bits, but one day I will get more on line some where.

[mykeal]

Macmac,

I think there's been some confusion here.

Im283 said, in post no. 6:
The 60 has two screws, one for the hammer and one shared by trigger and cylinder bolt.

Then I said, quoting him and responding in post no. 8:
Huh? Do you mean a Colt 1860 Army? I've never seen that configuration before.

I don't recall saying anything about all 1860's having or not having the extra stock mounting screws. I believe the 1860 Army comes in two configurations: Civilian, with 3 screws in the left side of the frame and no provisions for mounting a stock, and Military, with 4 screws on the left side and one on the right side of the frame, plus a relief cut in the butt of the grip frame.
Here are links to pictures of the two versions:
Military: http://arms2armor.com/store/product25.html
Civilian:
http://arms2armor.com/store/product4.html

I've never heard of, nor seen, an 1860 Army with just two screws, one for the hammer and the other for both the trigger and bolt. That was my only comment on this subject.

I own two 1860 Army revovlers, both in the military configuration. One is a Pietta:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Colt%201860%20Army/750.jpg
the other is a Euroarms:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Colt%201860%20Army/1630.jpg