Seattle weighs in on handgun ban.


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XD45PLUSP
January 18, 2008, 02:28 AM
Seattles own Prosecuting Attorney, Thomas Carr is a NUTCASE.

This CLOWN needs to go...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/347493_scotus16.html

Seattle, Milwaukee and other large U.S. cities are warning the Supreme Court that gun-control laws around the nation would be jeopardized if the justices decide to eliminate the local District of Columbia ban on handguns.

In a legal brief filed with the high court, the cities, joined by the nonpartisan U.S. Conference of Mayors, argue that they suffer "disproportionately" from firearm violence and should be able to enact reasonable restrictions on the weapons.

"Major American cities ... bear the brunt of the problem," said the legal brief, signed by Seattle City Attorney Thomas Carr and lawyers for the other cities. The brief was primarily written by lawyers with the San Francisco-based Legal Community Against Violence, a group that aims to prevent gun crimes.

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Snapping Twig
January 18, 2008, 02:31 AM
An armed society is a polite society. Always has been.

If a dirtbag doesn't know who's packing - granny or anyone else - they'll tend to take their business elsewhere. They're lazy, not stupid.

Progressivism (liberalism) is a mental disorder.

theken206
January 18, 2008, 03:17 AM
yeah since all the homeboys slanging and banging down on 216th and every other "hood" from the super southend to the criminal district to the wild west side will no doubt follow a ban to the letter of the law and ditch there pistols and what not.

Run&Shoot
January 18, 2008, 03:24 AM
Seattle, Portland, San Fran, LA...that's why they call us the Left Coast. The major cities out here are nuttier than fruitcakes.

What is funny is that Seattle doesn't even have gun laws like DC, NY, Chicago. Washington and Oregon actually have fairly decent laws and state constitutional amendments. Maybe the Seattle city elites have pipe dreams of becoming just like NY/DC but there are still enough rural folks to not let that happen.

Even my liberal family members out here wouldn't support gun bans like they have back east and probably not even like California.

Hopefully we can roll back some of the severe bans in East coast cities based on this court ruling and keep fence sitting cities at bay.

wideym
January 18, 2008, 04:07 AM
It seems to me that the city fathers in Seattle probably have a NYC style gun ban in mind for the future. They may not have the votes right now but if Washington State can be ruled from Seattle like Chicago rules Illinois they will do it.

BobbyQuickdraw
January 18, 2008, 04:19 AM
"Major American cities ... should be able to ignore the Constitution, Natural Rights, and altogether live by a completely different set of rules,"


There I fixed his quote.

mike101
January 18, 2008, 04:28 AM
These people crack me up. DC has had a gun ban since '76, and still has one of the highest homicide rates in the country, year after year. Chicago, with their gun ban, isn't much better.

I lived in Chicago's Gold Coast for about a year and a half. It's a nice neighborhood, but every Friday night you could hear gunfire coming from Cabrini Green, 3 blocks away. It seems that the gangbangers haven't heard about the gun ban. Street crime in Chicago is out of control, and the cops do nothing. They're too busy keeping the drunken yuppies in line on Division Street, and collecting their graft from the bar owners there.

When I lived there, it seemed like every other day I saw someone breaking into a car, or smashing a store window. My pizza delivery guy was mugged in front of my building, right in front of the doorman who didn't even bother to call 911 to report it. And this is in a nice neighborhood. The criminals there are so brazen, because they know the citizens can't stop them, and the police are never around.

Why on earth would Seattle, or any other city, want to emulate DC and Chicago by instituting a gun ban? :barf:

Unisaw
January 18, 2008, 10:18 AM
Seattle's police chief has also weighed in. He is a party to the brief filed by the VPC. That's the laughable brief that claims that handguns have become significantly more lethal over the last 30 years and thus deserve to be banned, yet they argue later in the brief that they are not useful for home defense. Can any rational person actually believe that crap?

CWL
January 18, 2008, 02:42 PM
If San Francisco can have its handgun ban overturned as well as DC, I hope Seattle liberals are just spinning their wheels. WA is a "shall issue" state afterall.

But with one of the highest caffiene % from all that coffee they drink, perhaps they do need to worry about 'twitchy' trigger fingers.

DoubleTapDrew
January 18, 2008, 03:34 PM
So Seattle wants to ignore the Constitution AND be just like DC with it's homocide/violent crime rate? Wow, just...wow

K3
January 18, 2008, 03:45 PM
This made me laugh:

nonpartisan U.S. Conference of Mayors

Nonpartisan in party affiliation maybe. In governmental philosophy, they are all cut from the same cloth.

sniper5
January 18, 2008, 05:42 PM
Typical politician/beaurocrat attitude.

We could do so much more without all these silly arguments about people's rights. The Constitu. . .? What's that? "Hey, get the city attorney on the phone and fix that nonsense!"

Kind of Blued
January 18, 2008, 06:30 PM
In a legal brief filed with the high court, the cities, joined by the nonpartisan U.S. Conference of Mayors, argue that they suffer "disproportionately" from firearm violence and should be able to enact reasonable restrictions on the weapons.

As far as I'm concerned, and as far as the facts are concerned, the only "reasonable restrictions on" handguns is 'don't let criminals have them' (FYI: They will get them anyway). Go ahead, have a handgun ban, see if the criminals stop being criminals or if they just become criminals who are breaking another law.

Bobarino
January 18, 2008, 07:36 PM
Seattle's opinion in the matter as far as any sort of bans are concerned doesn't matter one whit anyway. WA State has preemption over all gun laws. Seattle can't make any laws in their city or county that are in any way more restrictive than the state laws.

besides the fact that Seattle has the lowest crime rates its had in the last 40 years. (source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22722685 ) why in the world you anyone want to do anything when whats going on currently is obviously working? well, aside from the fact that it makes the liberal Seattle Soccer Moms feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel better.

Seattle likes its reputation as the Diet San Francisco. its a good thing the rest of state has enough common sense to keep the Seattlites in check durring elections.

Bobby

Black Adder LXX
January 18, 2008, 11:53 PM
Politicians prefer unarmed peasants...

rickomatic
January 19, 2008, 12:13 AM
Seattle's police chief has also weighed in.

That would be the same joker....Chief Kerlokowski....who left a loaded pistol in his unsecured car in downtown Seattle, and had it stolen a year or so ago. I say impose a handgun ban for big city politician police chiefs.

ClickClickD'oh
January 19, 2008, 12:23 AM
Seattle, Milwaukee and other large U.S. cities are warning the Supreme Court that gun-control laws around the nation would be jeopardized if the justices decide to eliminate the local District of Columbia ban on handguns.

Well no duh! That's the whole point after all, striking down unconstitutional laws.

Unisaw
January 19, 2008, 01:44 AM
Rickomatic, the irony is too rich. Part of the brief in which the chief joined argues that handguns should be banned because they are too easy to steal!:rolleyes:

jrfoxx
January 19, 2008, 07:02 AM
Part of the problem is that the mayors of Seatte, Chicago,NYC, etc won't just enect laws that affect only thier city like they claim ("we have unique problems in the city , and so should be allowd uique laws" is thier constant mantra).They will quickly see their city gun ban is ineffective, and of course, its because the rest of the state has "lax gun laws" flooding guns into the city, so they'll force the rest of te state to conform, then it will be that other states "lax gun laws" are the problem,flooding guns into thier state, so now they push for the federal ban,and on, and on, and on....

shooter429
January 19, 2008, 06:13 PM
The Seattle mayor( nichols) came on the news the other night and said that gunowners were gangsters and kids deserve not to have to worry about these gangsters carrying guns and shooting around them. The Mayor called for a gun ban to prevent gun crimes. As though guns commit crimes. The mayor said it was time to do what the people want instead of listening to the gun lobby. Who does he think supports the gun lobby? Not the bad guys. What a dolt. The mayor can kiss my ... What a fat, worthless piece of work. I really hate living in such a liberally slanted state. Anyone else want WA to go conservative and do something for the people for a change?

Shooter429

Aussie bloke!
January 19, 2008, 06:34 PM
G'day everyone,.....


As far as I'm concerned, and as far as the facts are concerned, the only "reasonable restrictions on" handguns is 'don't let criminals have them'



Funny but I have no argument to that statment,....



Aussie.

bumm
January 19, 2008, 06:51 PM
"Major American cities ... bear the brunt of the problem," said the legal brief, signed by Seattle City Attorney Thomas Carr and lawyers for the other cities.

That's simply because major American cities tend to have more rotten people living in them.
Marty

GunTech
January 19, 2008, 07:05 PM
I lived in Portland when the state of Oregon went from a Sheriff's discretion permit to a shall issue. The Oregonian opined that there would be blood in the streets. Personal crime actually declined substantially, and the anti-gun groups very carefully stopped using that argument in Oregon.

doc2rn
January 19, 2008, 07:08 PM
The painting is on the wall. The politicians have let big business lead us into a recession and now they want to disarm the populous so they can stay in power and muck stuff up for another term. Seems logical to me, sheep will be sheeple after all.

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