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Treo
January 19, 2008, 01:12 AM
My carry weapon is a CZ75B' weighs about 2 pounds & I generally wear jeans when I'm not at work ( there is no way to hide a CZ in scrubs so I don't even try) I seem to have a problem W/ the gun dragging my pants down. I use a 1 inch wide leather belt and an IWB holster. my concern is that the constant pulling up my pants is a dead giveaway any sugestions?

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Kind of Blued
January 19, 2008, 01:13 AM
A lighter gun would pull them down less. Are you like me where your butt doesn't necessarilly protrude from your body? It doesn't give a belt much to remain atop.

Ragnar Danneskjold
January 19, 2008, 01:15 AM
Polymer.

Chester32141
January 19, 2008, 01:17 AM
Sounds like y'all suffer from 'Noassatall' ... might want to get a lighter gun ...

tnieto2004
January 19, 2008, 01:18 AM
Same thing with me .. I started carrying a KelTec P11 and It is much more comfortable

Winchester 73
January 19, 2008, 01:18 AM
A wider belt ( 1 1/4 or 1 1/2")and a better holster like the Sparks Versa Max II or Kramer IWB would definitely help your haberdashery problem.

ClickClickD'oh
January 19, 2008, 01:20 AM
My -75B lives in a Galco shoulder rig under a flannel shirt.

My wife says I look like I'm stuck in the '90s. Could be worse.. I could be stuck in the '70s.

gdvan01
January 19, 2008, 01:21 AM
Have you considered a 5.11 holster shirt?

http://www.511tactical.com/index.asp?dept=3&number=40021

Treo
January 19, 2008, 01:23 AM
Yes I definetely have a Gluteus Minimus. I also just lost 20 pounds. and I'm wondering if my pants aren't just flat too big. as for a smaller gun I can't afford a new gun right now any one else out there carrying a full size? How do you do it? suspenders?

preWWWIIbuff
January 19, 2008, 01:28 AM
Holdup Suspender Company manufacturers the patented " No Slip Clip" line of suspenders.

Try the clown color ones first as in a joke

Then get the colors tan for me that work.

works like a charm for me SIG P229 :D

orrrrrrrr how bought one them thar Weight lifften belts.

no look at what most POs ware.

2TransAms
January 19, 2008, 01:35 AM
A wider belt ( 1 1/4 or 1 1/2")and a better holster like the Sparks Versa Max II or Kramer IWB would definitely help your haberdashery problem. I'm a skinny guy,and I can tell you that I need a good belt and holster to keep my pants from sagging down where the gun is. OTOH,pull down the other side too and you'll be in style.

Make sure your pants aren't too loose in the waist either. If they're too big in the waist,no amount of belt will keep them up,so you may have to go down a size. I usually wear a 32" waist on my pants,which holds a 5" 1911 IWB just perfect for me. Remember,when you carry you have to dress around your weapon.

Autolycus
January 19, 2008, 01:38 AM
I dont know of any good gunleather maker who makes a 1 inch wide leather belt. It sounds like that is a big part of the problem.

I would suggest getting a good belt, perhaps from someone like the Beltman. That is key to being able to carry well.

gunmn74
January 19, 2008, 02:24 AM
I would go with what some of the others have said and say too get a good
gun belt. A good belt will make a world of differece.
As an experimant lay your old belt out flat and there is probably a big curve
too it. A good gun belt will stay straight and stiff with no sag to it after
years of wear. Most gun belts a twice as thick as the standard belt.

chris in va
January 19, 2008, 02:43 AM
Same problem here. That CZ is HEAVY considering the caliber.

I've toyed with the idea of suspenders myself. They'd have to be under my shirt though, not sure how comfortable that would be.

Honestly there needs to be a revolutionary idea in carrying a sidearm. I mean really, the same basic premise has been around for over a century.

Can't remember the name right off hand, but someone posted about a new kydex/leather IWB that really spreads out the weight over your entire hip and attaches with thin belt clips.

Now do you *need* IWB? I've switched over to OWB almost exclusively for comfort reasons. When I need more concealment, I use my P11 with belt clip.

markk
January 19, 2008, 03:29 AM
A good belt can be a life altering experience...

DeputyVaughn
January 19, 2008, 08:44 AM
Have you considered "Belly Band" type holsters???

Scott

thegriz
January 19, 2008, 09:15 AM
I don't really like the belly band but it works well for slimmer guys. I use the smartcarry holster. No belt is required. It doesn't pull down on your pants. Your hips bear the weight. It will easily conceal your pistol in scrubs (and comfortably too once you get it positioned correctly) along with a spare mag. It will easily conceal it with shorts, a robe, just about anything.

It doesn't work that great if your pants are too tight. I don't see how scrubs would be a problem.

Smartcarry Website (http://www.smartcarry.com/)

If you get one, try to offset the holster to the right or left and it's very comfortable. You don't want this thing laying on your jewels when you sit down. Mine is offset to the left so the barrel is sort of pointing down my pant leg.

With practice you can get a pretty fast draw, even with one hand. It won't be as fast as a conventional draw. I usually carry a Kel-Tec P3AT in my rear right pocket in a pocket holster for faster draw if necessary and a Taurus PT 24/7 in my smartcarry.

Make sure you have a gun you trust because you sure as hell don't want to get shot in the thigh or in the jewels:what:. You could say that I'm always very aware of the trigger when I holster and unholster. If you are absent minded you might want to pass on this holster.:)

armoredman
January 19, 2008, 10:46 AM
Good belt indeed. In scrubs, hmmm, good luck, maybe Thunderwear? Or go get thee a good CZ PCR or PO1, stay with what you like, but in a lighter alloy frame. When I switched from a full size all steel Witness pistol to my CZ PO1, it was night and day - felt like I wasn't carrying a gun at all.

Calhoun
January 19, 2008, 11:00 AM
Can't remember the name right off hand, but someone posted about a new kydex/leather IWB that really spreads out the weight over your entire hip and attaches with thin belt clips.

I think he is refering to crossbreed holsters. www.crossbreedholsters.com


As everyone else has said, you need a better belt. Before you spend big $$ on a new pistol (I also recomend the CZ P-01 or PCR), spend a little $$ on a good belt that is ment to hold up not only your pants but a gun as well.

springmom
January 19, 2008, 11:04 AM
All I can say is I just WISH I had your problem.

Is your belt really a gun belt, or just a dress belt? A good gun belt that fits you will help a lot. I would think that suspenders will not keep the gun secure on your waistband if the pants are too big...try a size smaller pants if you're also going the suspenders route.

Springmom

simmonsguns
January 19, 2008, 11:21 AM
I had to go to the suspender and belt thing, i have a good gunbelt and a good holster but i to suffer from lack of arse.
I carry iwb and a full size 1911, there's enough weight there that i found the only way to keep the whole mess from falling down was to use the suspenders.
IWB and a too tight belt meens a one handed draw are tough to do, with the suspenders i can loosen the belt to where it fits good and i don't have to worry about pants around the shoes stuff.
If you use suspenders, get the ones that attach to your pants with buttons or slip over your belt, not the ones that clip to belt, these will pop off when you least expect it.

Chindo18Z
January 19, 2008, 11:50 AM
treo: If you're mostly wearing jeans...just get a nylon rigger belt (also called a "BDU belt").

They are light, soft, can be cinched down to any desired waist measurement or holster snugness. Normal width is 1.75" , but they can be found in 1.25". A multitude of colors are available (black, navy blue, tan , grey, OD, sand, brown, sage, etc.) and they only cost a few dollars.

The ones worn by everyone in the Army (with BDUs or ACUs) cost about $3.75. Commercial versions range from $4-$8. I've routinely used one to carry OWB 1911s, Browning Hi-Powers, CZ75s, and Beretta 92s.

If you want to go with stiffer and heavier, you can sink money into beefed up versions (so-called "Instructor" or "Wilderness Survival" belts). These have additional features (internal stiffeners, doubled & sewn nylon layers, Velcro, metal V/D-ring connectors for use while rappeling or with safety lanyards).

The basic belt works fine and is both light and comfortable.

Here are several vendors /variations (you can also search for "BDU Belt"). There are hundreds. You should also be able to find these belts in any Army-Navy Surplus Store and some gunshops or sports stores.

http://www.lapolicegear.com/lapogebdube.html

http://www.vtarmynavy.com/bdu-belts.htm

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/page49.shtml

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/Chindo18Z/newbdubbelts.jpg

Hope this helps...

Treo
January 19, 2008, 12:27 PM
I double checked my belt is 1&3/8 wide & made by Tony Lama. I prefer the IWB because I like to wear polo shirts W/ the odd Hawiian thrown in. My main problem seems to be a case of the "bootydo" ( that's where your belly sticks out more than your booty do) I think suspenders might be my option. I usually wear an under shirt so if the suspenders were over that comfort shouldn't be an issue

Josh Aston
January 19, 2008, 01:05 PM
You need a better belt. If you don't want to sink money into a good leather gunbelt then try this one.

Better BDU Belt (http://www.specopsbrand.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductID=53)

thexrayboy
January 19, 2008, 10:20 PM
I have to recommend a good heavy 1.25-1.5" belt. Start with that. Next get a good quality holster, one that keeps the weapon close to your body and the belt slot is not large compared to the belt. This will keep the weapon from moving much, motion will impart energy that will tend to move things, including your pants, around. A paddle style holster may help. Friction from the paddle may help keep things from traveling south.

When all else fails try some suspenders. Dickies brand makes some good reasonably priced ones in various colors. Some days I carry a full size .45, at least 2 extra mags, a cell phone, a knife in my pocket and frequently a flashlight, all in addition to wallet, keys etc. When carrying this much weight around suspenders make it much easier to keep things from sliding downhill.


As for carrying while wearing scrubs....the two best alternatives would likely be a 5.11 t shirt with built in shoulder holster or smartcarry holster.

Treo
January 19, 2008, 10:54 PM
I picked up a pair of the old GI suspenders for the wet weather gear today they seem to be working out

Winchester 73
January 19, 2008, 10:57 PM
I have to recommend a good heavy 1.25-1.5" belt. Start with that. Next get a good quality holster, one that keeps the weapon close to your body and the belt slot is not large compared to the belt.

Excellent advice.Here are some high quality sources:
http://www.kramerleather.com
http://www.mitchrosen.com
http://www.miltsparks.com

GRB
January 19, 2008, 11:02 PM
Yes a good belt is nice, and works somewhat, but not completely if you have the wrong shape. Suspenders are a life saver. They prevent pants from falling, thereby keep the belt in place, and therefore keep the gun in place. Suspenders also help support the back and the hips more evenly when you are carrying and make carry all the more comfortable. SS agents use em frequently - long days on their feet carrying.

All the best,
GB

MAURICE
January 19, 2008, 11:05 PM
I'm in the same boat as the OP (noassatall disease). I used a wide and relatively thick leather belt. On top of that a quality holster will help out quite a bit. Still starts to slide down every once in a while, but when it does happen I make a trip to the bathroom or somewhere I can discreetly adjust it. During winter I carry in a shoulder rig underneath my coat.
FWIW I carry a Glock 17. Not very heavy, but its no little guy either.

The Lone Haranguer
January 19, 2008, 11:14 PM
A one-inch leather belt? That is a good part, if not all of, your problem.

I am quite fond of the Wilderness Instructor Belts that I have. They are very stiff and do not bend in the middle. The Velcro on the outside anchors the loose end of the belt and will catch on at least one loop of your holster, helping to cinch it in place. And the adjustability is infinite, unlike a leather belt where you are limited to one or the other of the buckle holes.

A high quality leather belt, if it goes better with your clothing or if you just prefer leather, is made by Jim Speidel, the Beltman. (http://thebeltman.net) Great belt, but it has the aforementioned adjustability problem. Sometimes one hole leaves things too loose, while the next one can be too tight. He does offer an option of seven holes 3/4 of an inch apart, instead of the usual 5 holes/1 inch apart.

Dravur
January 20, 2008, 12:18 AM
Duct Tape the gun to your chest. Works like a charm

or get a better belt.

VTFatBastard
January 20, 2008, 10:59 AM
If your considering suspenders, check out Perry Suspenders. Very good clips that won't come off unexpectedly.

http://www.perrysuspenders.com/index.html

the naked prophet
January 20, 2008, 04:49 PM
Your ONLY problem is that you don't have a belt. Don't kid yourself, a 1" "leather" belt is nothing more than decoration.

Get a real belt, I would recommend http://www.raftersgunleather.com/Belts.htm

Feanaro
January 20, 2008, 11:24 PM
I'd like to take this time out to plug The Belt Man.
http://www.thebeltman.net/

His belts are excellent. I recommend a 1.5" belt. I've had a 42oz N-frame on and not had any difficulty keeping my pants on. I too suffer from "smallarse-itis".

Mazeman
January 21, 2008, 12:02 AM
A wider belt of good gunleather would help. Also, I not sure what brand of holster you use, but some IWB holsters are better than others at distributing gun weight.

Think Milt Sparks.

B yond
January 21, 2008, 12:11 AM
Seriously, try it. I've got one from Pro Tech Outdoors that's 6" wide and cost less than $20. Will hold 2 full size autos, 2 mags, and my CCW paperwork under just about anything I wear (even scrubs), and doesn't put any weight on your pants. It'll even hold in a beer gut.

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/96834i_ts.JPG?cell=320,320&cvt=jpeg
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=213575

<SLV>
January 22, 2008, 02:04 PM
Looks like it would be hard to draw out of that Belly Band... it sits kind of high.

B yond
January 28, 2008, 12:08 AM
It sits wherever you put it. I wear mine about where an IWB would be and it never moves unless I'm all-out sprinting. No harder to draw from than an IWB IMHO. The only way I could see it being harder to draw from is because it holds the gun closer to your body than many holsters, but that's a good thing for concealability.

Geronimo45
January 28, 2008, 12:17 AM
A 1" belt is tiny, as far as gun belts go. 1.25 is typically considered the minimum, 1.5 is a good middle choice, 1.75 or larger for best carry for heavy guns.
The 1.5" is about as big as typical pants loops go. A few go larger... but mine are pretty much all 1.5". Some of the 'tactical' pants and some blue jeans might go larger.

Personally, I hate carry on the belt. Shoulder carry is easier for me... but if you do belt carry, get the biggest, sturdiest belt your pants can handle.

Prince Yamato
January 28, 2008, 12:22 AM
Go to Walmart, buy a thick and wide Dickie's work belt.

RKBABob
January 28, 2008, 04:33 PM
Yes I definetely have a Gluteus Minimus.
Then you need a pair of these: Butt For You (http://www.buttforyou.com/) padded underwear. :neener:

RNB65
January 28, 2008, 04:37 PM
The answer to your problem (other than buying a poly framed gun), will be found here:

http://www.thebeltman.net/
.

Walter W.
January 28, 2008, 04:38 PM
Wear suspenders and a belt at the same time.

ZeSpectre
January 28, 2008, 04:47 PM
Beltman Bullhide 1.5" wide
http://www.thebeltman.net/bullhide.htm

It'll change your life (and your pants if your belt loops are too small <grin>).

eric.cartman
January 28, 2008, 04:58 PM
Yep, same problem here.
I went from H&K P2000 (a heavy a$$ gun) to Glock 19...
Now I'm considering a G26, or out right stealing my wife's KelTec P32 :evil:

But in all seriousness, I think I'll try a shoulder holster. No matter what gun I put on my belt, it pulls down. Even my S&W 442 in OWB holster.

And yea, I'm 6'4" 175lbs... no assusminimus here too.

B yond
January 30, 2008, 02:50 AM
Then you need a pair of these: Butt For You padded underwear.
http://www.buttforyou.com/images/presentation/For_Him_Homepage.jpg
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