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Blackbeard
January 19, 2008, 01:41 PM
Got my first fundraising call from the NRA today. It's not that I dislike the NRA, I just hate being called and asked for money. I'm curious who gave them my number. My most recent purchases were a Browning Buckmark, which I registered online, and some stuff from Midway (spare mags and a shot timer).

Did Browning sell me out?

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Werewolf
January 19, 2008, 01:46 PM
Did you check the roundup box at Midway that gives the roundup to the NRA? If so that may be the source of the rat.

Rachen
January 19, 2008, 02:06 PM
Maybe we guys should stop shopping for useless crap such as mp3 players, ipods and the latest pop albums. I never liked these things and I would not hestitate to give some money for NRA fundraising reasons.

We need it right now, elections are coming, and the air is singing with electricity. Even my hair is going on end right now:D

Uglyoldpoorman
January 19, 2008, 06:00 PM
I was forced to join the NRA in order to join the local(and only place to shoot) gun club. Don't like it but I do it in order to get to shoot I play along.

As someone once said, if it is the only card game in town you play even if it is rigged. I think that same guy once said pick the hill that you die on.

So in other words don't sweat the small stuff, pick the battles that mean something, and undermine from within.

Uglyoldpoorman
January 19, 2008, 06:01 PM
????????????

Revolver Ocelot
January 19, 2008, 06:50 PM
i was forced to join in order to gain entry to a local gun show,I have found no advantages or disadvantages to having the membership thus far.

Freightman
January 19, 2008, 07:24 PM
How many congressmen do you know? I have no pull at all with mine, but if there are 1000 of us in this district you will have a little more chance for them to listen.

orionengnr
January 19, 2008, 08:19 PM
Ask them to quit calling.

Then join.

I've been a member for three years now and get ZERO calls or snail mails. I asked them once. That's all it takes.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Or OUR face, for that matter. :)

BobbyQuickdraw
January 19, 2008, 09:59 PM
I only got 1 call. Get the mail, don't mind it.

Linda
January 20, 2008, 08:04 AM
I have found no advantages or disadvantages to having the membership thus far.


No advantages?:confused:
How about the automatic $1000 worth of gun insurance you now have with your paid membership? If that's not value in it's self, then how about the fact that they fight for your gun rights?

But then again, you're probably right.:banghead:

ranger58
January 20, 2008, 08:50 AM
NRA member and proud of it as they stand up for are rights:)

Zeke/PA
January 20, 2008, 09:33 AM
I just sent the N.R.A. $175.00 for needed funds while up -grading my membership from Life to Endowment.
My belief is that the N.R.A. is what the politicians fear more than ANY other form of voting public.
The N.R.A. is the ONLY thing protecting your 2A rights at present.
Zeke

The Lone Haranguer
January 20, 2008, 09:41 AM
I got an automated call on my voice mail just yesterday. It was to tell me of an upcoming Game & Fish Department hearing in which a ban on lead-bullet ammunition is to be discussed. I've never had a fund-raising solicitation of any kind, except to renew my membership three months after I just renewed it.

BTW, I am pleased that Arizona is still not afraid to call it Game and Fish. ;)

beertracker
January 20, 2008, 09:42 AM
I just love it when the NRA takes membership money and works with anti-gunners such as Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York to pass the Veterans Disarmament law. Do a Yahoo search to or visit her site to learn more.

Beertracker :confused:

JaxNovice
January 20, 2008, 09:43 AM
The only thing I have gotten out of joining the NRA is constant requests for more money. I paid money to be put on a mailing list for solicitations. I joined earlier this year and before my welcome pack arrived, I received two seperate request for funds.

antsi
January 20, 2008, 09:52 AM
Veterans Disarmament law

Translation: I swallow anti-NRA propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

geojap
January 20, 2008, 09:54 AM
I renew my NRA membership every year but I have never gotten a call from them. I know it is hard to see the effect of their actions since it is a national organization that you don't see with your own eyes most times. But they are effective at protecting our Second Amendment rights with their legislative arm (NRA-ILA) and they also do a great service to the shooting community with their educational programs.

In Texas, we have our own version of the NRA, called the Texas State Rifle Association. The TSRA is VERY active in lobbying the state legislature for 2A rights. The TSRA gets several beneficial bills passed every single session, it seems like. This past session they were instrumental in passing the bills which clarified the "castle doctrine" and the bill which made it no longer an offense to carry a concealed handgun in your car.

The TSRA only has about 22,000 members in Texas, while the NRA has about ten times as many in our state. The TSRA is very effective at protecting our rights in Texas, and they could use more support in the form of your membership if you live in Texas.

bhp9mm
January 20, 2008, 10:09 AM
they have called me for 5 days in a row

geojap
January 20, 2008, 10:10 AM
they have called me for 5 days in a row

Like others have said, why don't you just ask them not to call any more? They will take you off their call list.

22-rimfire
January 20, 2008, 10:13 AM
I suggest you join and at least do something to assist their fight for 2A rights on your behalf. I get at least one call a week from some organization wanting me to donate to them. Some I do and some I don't.

The Lone Haranguer
January 20, 2008, 10:19 AM
I am sure that if you go to their website there is a box you can uncheck somewhere, or even try an old-fashioned phone call, if you don't want to receive solicitations.

TexasRifleman
January 20, 2008, 10:25 AM
I was forced to join the NRA in order to join the local(and only place to shoot) gun club.

All you guys that were "forced" don't seem to get it. In this world things like gun ranges and some gun shows need insurance. NRA has the ability to obtain liability insurance from some carriers. It's just like any group policy, a certain number of people need to be in the group to qualify.

No one "forced" you, you were more than welcome to walk right on by.

If you find another group that can get this kind of insurance please let us know.

cornman
January 20, 2008, 10:33 AM
Well you know the NRA is a "non-profit who only pays the president of the NRA $950k/year. Sorry folks, but you NRA supporters have been duped using fear to make the rich richer. Hey, that sounds like the Republican party in a nutshell...:rolleyes:

doc540
January 20, 2008, 10:34 AM
The federal law mandates that anyone must stop calling if you simply ask them to add your number to their internal do not call list.

If they fail to do so, and after 30 days call they again, they're subject to federal fines and, most likely, state fines since nearly every state has it's own dnc laws.

Whenever I get a call at home from any entity that I don't want to hear from, I just politely interrupt and say, "Please add this number to your internal do not call list". Sometimes they get rude, but I shrug it off and just repeat the request.

btw: some state laws even give a cut of the fine to the person filing the complaint. Of course, now just hoppleheads are filing hundreds of bogus complaints hoping to make a little free money.

Mannix
January 20, 2008, 10:35 AM
Geez, invasion of the trolls?

How about you go look at what Sarah Brady made vs the size of their organization.

TexasRifleman
January 20, 2008, 10:42 AM
Well you know the NRA is a "non-profit who only pays the president of the NRA $950k/year

Once again, data without context is just pissing in the wind......

Non Profit Salaries

Wayne LaPierre - $633,823
Red Cross President - $651,957
United Way Pres - $420,000
American Heart Association Pres - $656,608
President of Heritage Foundation - $633,849
Director, Museum of Modern Art, New York - $ $875,301
CEO, Boy Scouts of America - $ $552,378

At private foundations of all types, the median top exec salary was $341,397

This all from tax forms for the year 2005.

So, with actual data we see that the President of the NRA salary is inline with other non profits of similar size.
Not good or bad, but you have to take this kind of stuff in context.

Now, the CEO average for the Fortune 500 was $2.4 million.

That is context.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled ranting and raving.....

geojap
January 20, 2008, 12:00 PM
Well put, TexasRifleman.

cornman
January 20, 2008, 12:17 PM
H arlon B. Carter, who created the modern NRA in the 1970s, earned about $70,000 a year (about $200,000 in today's dollars) as executive vice president and was driven to meetings in the company Chevrolet. Wayne LaPierre, who currently sits upon the executive vice president throne, pocketed about $950,000 in 2005. The parking lot at the association's twin-glass-towered headquarters off Interstate 66 in Virginia is filled with shiny new BMWs and Mercedes-Benzes.

cornman
January 20, 2008, 12:18 PM
H arlon B. Carter, who created the modern NRA in the 1970s, earned about $70,000 a year (about $200,000 in today's dollars) as executive vice president and was driven to meetings in the company Chevrolet. Wayne LaPierre, who currently sits upon the executive vice president throne, pocketed about $950,000 in 2005. The parking lot at the association's twin-glass-towered headquarters off Interstate 66 in Virginia is filled with shiny new BMWs and Mercedes-Benzes.

What's unseemly about the stratospheric six-figure salaries flowing into NRA leadership wallets is that the cash comes from hundreds of thousands of members who are hard pressed to write $35 annual membership renewal checks or send an extra $10 or $20 to the NRA Political Victory Fund to protect their guns.

Then there's the question of the millions paid to outside lobbyists (including an ex-employee and personal friend of LaPierre's). And the millions more doled out to LaPierre's friends at the Mercury Group ad agency. Who knows how much cash, thanks to the NRA, has found its way to the company that arranges the association's travel tours, allows members to buy a home through NRA real estate brokers, finance it via an NRA mortgage, save with NRA banking services, take out NRA insurance, get laser eye surgery and shoes resoled by an NRA-affiliated vendor, then pay for everything with an NRA credit card. The association claims it was only coincidence, but LaPierre's wife happened to be the vice president for marketing for the firm that set up that bonanza of member-discount services.

The media and anti-gun politicians make a mistake by engaging with the NRA, penning inflammatory headlines, threatening to crush the organization and salt the earth beneath its headquarters. They are just reminding the NRA faithful that they're surrounded by enemies who threaten to batter down their doors and snatch their firearms. And all it results in is the constant "ka-ching" of cash rolling into NRA coffers.

If the threat to honest citizens' right to own firearms ever dipped below the radar, so too would the association's political might. That's why the NRA leadership will never tolerate the give-and-take that makes up real problem-solving. It would be bad for business.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121401328.html

TexasRifleman
January 20, 2008, 12:22 PM
H arlon B. Carter, who created the modern NRA in the 1970s, earned about $70,000 a year

OK once again, pissing in the wind without context.

Please also cite the salaries of non profit executives from the 70's.

That was almost 40 years ago, it has nothing to do with anything.

You are more than welcome to disagree with anything the NRA does but when you spout statistics with no context it really doesn't mean anything.

And again, the context nonsense:

The parking lot at the association's twin-glass-towered headquarters off Interstate 66 in Virginia is filled with shiny new BMWs and Mercedes-Benzes.

The parking lot at the elementary school up the road from me is filled with BMWs and $60,000 GMC Denalis. Should I take it from that data that teachers are paid too much?

My doctor drives a pickup with at least 200,000 miles on it. Does that data by itself mean anything at all?


Here is some data, make your own context. Just for grins, using the Harlon Carter example cited:

In 2005, $70,000.00 from 1975 is worth:

$253,919.02 using the Consumer Price Index
$208,153.28 using the GDP deflator
$295,169.00 using the value of consumer bundle
$252,758.02 using the unskilled wage
$386,377.67 using the nominal GDP per capita
$531,265.95 using the relative share of GDP

So what exactly are you showing us by citing Harlon Carters salary?

Like I say, debate is great, but you can't just toss out statistics and facts that have no context and hope they stick.

Gunnerpalace
January 20, 2008, 12:59 PM
Freeze! if anyone wants to find out how much he earns just check their "tax receipt waiver thing" I don't know what it's called but non-profits have to file them, that being said if he (Wayne) makes 300 grand a year he could halve that and give that to the cause, does he I don't know.

Also it is kind of pointless for me to complain to my senator, Mr Levin.

My money is best served in the courts I go with the SAF. NRA is cool and all they do the biggest share, but I am free (this still is America for now) to give to whoever I want to.

TexasRifleman
January 20, 2008, 01:09 PM
It's called a Form 990 and there's a copy from 2004 here:

http://gunguys.com/lapierresalary.pdf

Titus
January 20, 2008, 01:58 PM
The parking lot at the association's twin-glass-towered headquarters off Interstate 66 in Virginia is filled with shiny new BMWs and Mercedes-Benzes.

While I'm not going to lose any sleep at the thought of Wayne trying to get by on $633k/year, keep in mind that many of those cars represent the employees and customers of the range, museum/store, restaurant or several other businesses that have offices in the building. Though for $200k, most folks in the area would take a job with a little less responsibility too.

marshall3
January 20, 2008, 02:03 PM
It's the right thing to do.

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