Remington New Army 1858 Armi San Paolo


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straight-shooter
January 20, 2008, 01:25 PM
I just picked up a very nice deal on gunbroker for this Remington New Army 1858 Armi San Paolo (Euroarms). After my recent purchase of a new ROA the black powder bug has bitten me :what:

I just wish I had known how much fun these black powder smokers were in the past but i'm sure I'll make up for it! :)

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd56/straightshooter44/pix237905203.jpg

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Bad Flynch
January 20, 2008, 01:54 PM
I have a gunsmith friend who owns a St. Paul 1858 and it is really a decent peice: well timed, decent finish, etc.

sundance44s
January 20, 2008, 06:15 PM
Nice Pistol and they are good shooters ..If you have large hands , These Euro Arms Remmies are a little small in the grips ..The trigger guard rubs the hair off one of my grip hand finger behind the trigger guard ..painfull ..The Pietta is a larger frame ..and doesn`t do that to me .
I do like the way the loading rammer clips into the post on the Euro Remmie ..no side play ...nice thinking on EuroArms part .

oldelm
January 20, 2008, 08:54 PM
Nice buy, Straightshooter,......I was looking at that one, too, but never bid on it cause I got too many irons in the fire right now.

I asked the seller about the date stamp in it, though, and he said it looks like AF, could be AE but pretty sure AF. That makes it 1980, or 1979. Nice earlier ASP Rem.

Like Sundance says,...these ASP/Euroarms have the smallest of the Remington replica grip frames,...good for smaller handed folks like me, but I also don't mind the extra meat on the Pietta. Check to see if it has good cylinder/ bore alignment when you get it, and also hopefully that the chambers size is equal to, or slightly larger than the groove dia. of the bore,...that really helps with good consistent accuracy.
I noticed that the frame on this one has a slight purple hue to the blueing,..some of the older ASPs are like that. I think it's from a different metal composition in the frame than the barrel. I don't know if they're like that when first made, or something that gradually apperars over time, but I kinda like that look.
Have fun with it,...sure looks like a nice Remington.:)

straight-shooter
January 22, 2008, 06:35 PM
I was told the same also by the seller that this gun was a manufacture date of 1980. He said he took this piece out a total of maybe 12 times and never had any fault with the gun. It's always a crap shoot buying used over any auction site but this gentlemen was quick to reply and sounded sincere in his replys to my questions. We'll see how it goes tomorrow since it is scheduled to arrive here then.

Unfortunately with the snow we currently have here I won't have a chance to shoot it till the weather clears.

The first thing i will do is check the bore and cylinder diameters and check the timing before firing. I appreciate your advice in this area as I might not have checked the diameters.

straight-shooter
January 23, 2008, 06:32 PM
I just received the Remington 1858 shown above today. It was a bit dirty with evidence of only being cleaned in minor detail and the cylinder holes had some caked powder in them. I done a total strip and spent some time getting the cylinder cleaned out. I soaked all the other parts and brushed them clean and lightly oiled with CLP. Reassembled and it's working like a fine swiss watch.

I measured the cylinder holes along with the barrel and found that the cylinder was indeed slightly larger which is good. The timing is great and the cylinder is tight. As soon as the weather clears it's range time!

Disassembled before cleaning
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd56/straightshooter44/1858_disassembled.jpg

Reassembled and ready for the range.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd56/straightshooter44/1858Portraitweb.jpg

Misfire99
January 23, 2008, 11:16 PM
Looks like you got a good deal there.

For the folks that have a hard time with the smaller grips. I had the same problem with one of my 1858s. One day I was in a gun shop and they had a box of old grips for something like five bucks a set. I dug through it and found a pair for an S&W that was made out of rubber. I brought them home and cut the inside of them so they fit over the frame of the 1858. They don't look period but they sure help me shoot the thing.

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
January 24, 2008, 07:40 AM
Damn good looking gun, straight shooter. Yes sir, real good looking. Congratulations...Okay...

straight-shooter
January 24, 2008, 03:46 PM
I'm wondering about the grips myself as I've not had a chance to fire this beauty yet. I seem to have about 1/4" clearance for my fingers.

Gentleman of the Charcoal... thank you sir.

Just a info heads up for anyone interested. The brass trigger guard was in a tarnished state on this pistol. I found a trick by mixing table salt and vinegar and using a rag it cleaned the brass to like new condition and luster.

Smoke Stick by Five
January 26, 2008, 06:45 PM
I have a real old one of the 58 copies. This one has only the Euroarms Crest (small size) and serial # under the cylinder pin. No other markings such as blackpowder only on outside of gun. Serial number does appear under the grips,with the frame mark for S/S NOXI stamped in left side bottom. I generally shoot .454 balls and 30 gr. of 3f GOEX and hit where I aim at a Hundred yards (top of the blade not thru the "V" ). Any Idea of the age would help and if I can get and R&D conversion cylinder for it( blue or nickle ok ).:banghead:

straight-shooter
February 12, 2008, 05:34 PM
Mother nature isn't letting up with the cold and the snow here. I was looking forward to giving a range report on this 1858 but it will unfortunately have to wait. :banghead:

Omnivore
February 12, 2008, 06:57 PM
Straightshooter; I don't understand-- you mean you have no coat or boots?
;)

straight-shooter
February 12, 2008, 07:57 PM
I don't mind shooting centerfire cartridges in the cold but the real problem lies with loading cylinders in the cold for bp pistols. I suppose if I really wanted I could make some preload paper cartridges which would speed up the process. :)

Im283
February 12, 2008, 10:10 PM
I enjoy shooting in the wintertime. I would enjoy shooting in the snow but because of Al Gore and his dang old global warming we ain't got winter 'round here no more. Might get a little cold once in a while but I have not seen as much as a snow flurry this winter. But I still am holding out hope for April.

sundance44s
February 13, 2008, 08:56 AM
SmokeStick ..a Uberti Remmie conversion cylinder will fit it perfect ...I use one in mine alot .

Pancho
February 13, 2008, 09:19 AM
Is Euroarms Spanish or Italian?

sundance44s
February 13, 2008, 09:38 AM
EuroArms ...are EyeTalian

oldelm
February 13, 2008, 01:43 PM
Santa Barbara Remingtons are Spanish, and are reported to be good shooters.

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