Need advice, 200yd. target rifle


January 20, 2008, 08:49 PM
Looking for a rifle and caliber for 200yd target shooting. A scope is a must so it will need to be able to accept a scope.

My initial thoughts were a Remington 700 in 30.06?

Open for suggestions.......

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January 20, 2008, 08:52 PM
you dont need a 30-06 for 200yards a .223, or 243 could probibly be just as good, but I am not a long range target shooter so find out what the other guys have to say about this...

also what are you willing to spend? On the rifle....and what are you willing to spend on a scope?

January 20, 2008, 09:02 PM
punching paper,or?

January 20, 2008, 09:04 PM
Maybe a 25-06 even. If I didn't care about weight I would be sure to look at the Remington 700 Sendero. It is more of a long range rifle. Heavy Fluted barrel and aluminum bedding block. I have one in 7mm STW(no longer available) that is very accurate at 200 yards.
No matter what, a Remington 700 is a good place to start. Savage may be a better choice if you want to save a few dollars. Regardless, if you want to become a serious target shooter you are going to have to replace most of any rifle for new parts such as a trigger and a target stock to start with.

January 20, 2008, 09:33 PM


January 20, 2008, 11:15 PM
Yes its just paper targets, is the remington 700 ready to take a scope?

As for price I could see up to about 600-700 bucks for the rifle.

January 20, 2008, 11:18 PM
if you are shooting under 300 yds, 223 is all you need, heck I would even look at a hornet or a 221 fireball, or 17 fireball, or the least reach at 200 would be a 17hmr.

January 20, 2008, 11:19 PM
if you're just looking for paper, try a 700 in a varmint cartridge, like 220 swift

Jim Watson
January 20, 2008, 11:32 PM
There are folks having a lot of fun with .22s at 200 yards. They say it is about like a .45-70 BPCR at 500 or a .308 at 1000. You need a GOOD .22 and really good .22 ammo will cost more than you might think (but less than centerfire match ammo) but it is one approach. I'll probably try some this year.

January 21, 2008, 12:32 AM
a 22 at 200 yards is a riot - but i would not suggest it in this application. my picks would be 22 centerfires, 222 remington and hotter.

(and if you want to have a laugh parade w/ 22's, shoot 22 subsonics at 200 yards)

January 21, 2008, 12:42 AM
(group of guys at range) "Ok guys lets see what we can get out to 200 yards......."

"well ok, I have a .22lr with a 3-9 scope"

"and I have a .22short without any sights..."

"and I have my sons airsoft gun"

alright enuff goofing off, He said that he wanted to get a 30-06, I wouldnt go any higher caliber than that.

The next question I have for you is, how much do you want to spend on ammo? Do you want to shoot match grade? or are you reloading? or are you going to shoot some cheap stuff?

January 21, 2008, 12:48 AM
.223 ammo is a lot cheaper and will shoot nearly dead-flat past 200 yards. Very accurate match grade ammo is available, and heavy-barrel rifles that will be better for accurate shooting of more than a few rounds at a time are readily available.

That's what I'd get for target shooting. .30-06 is great if you want to hunt deer and elk with the gun, but a total waste of money and recoil for paper punching at medium range.

January 21, 2008, 02:30 AM
223 is the only realistic choice for punching paper at 200 yards, based on the impression I got from the OP. Every other cartridge is no doubt better for certain objectives, but the only ones better at punching paper will need an extremely expensive rifle. Get a 223 and don't even waste your time with the oddball rounds. Its wasted money shooting most any other round.

Really, some of the rounds suggested are....not for punching paper...

January 21, 2008, 03:21 AM
.223 cheap and fun

fernie kazam
January 21, 2008, 04:54 AM
I would suggest a 243WIN. Very flat shooting, bucks the wind and has small recoil. If you get sick of shooting paper with it then you have something to go varmiting or Deer hunting with. If you want cheap ammo I suggest you buy a lee Loader.

January 21, 2008, 05:15 AM
You cannot go wrong with Remington 700 and 30-06. However, for 200 yds I think it’s over powered rifle. If you really like target shooting and want a gun which will do an immaculate job in terms of flat bullet trajectory (upto to 600 yards) then I would go with .243 Winchester and for the rifle I recommend Winchester or BRNO. I use BRNO and it’s damn good. Beyond 600 then I prefer .308 first, followed by (not in particular order) 30-06 and 7mm Rem. Mag. For less than 500 yards, one cartridge whcih is really ignored and not mentioned enough (since it's not a US cartridge like 243/270/30-06), yet I think it's VERY good is 7x57 or as they called it 7mm Mauser. In 7mm Mauser if you can find a good Zastava rifle from Old Yogu time (I have one from 60's in mint condition) nothing beats thats- VERY well balanced gun and bullet.

January 21, 2008, 08:57 AM
Without a doubt .223 and if you really want it to be fun, shoot it out of an AR-15 pattern rifle with a flatop upper! ;) If I wasn't going to use an AR-15 then my next choice would be a Remington M700

.223 is more then enough for targets (both living and paper) at 200 yards. 223 is one of the most widely available and lowest cost center-fire rifle calibers available and the recoil is very mild. Both of those attributes lead to longer, more productive and enjoyable range times.

January 21, 2008, 09:54 AM
I'd look at the CZ 527 carbine. I shot the .223 model and bought the 7.62x39 and the ammo's cheap. It has the floating barrel and a 6lb/1lb trigger pull. The trigger is very nice, all I have to do is push the trigger forward. I also mounted a pretty cheap scope on it at am getting 1~2" at 100 and 200yds. It also has the Mauser bolt action which is a lot easier to use for me. I can't remember the spiraling but it's pretty tight compared to my other riflles.

January 21, 2008, 10:20 AM
Ditto on the CZ527 carbine. Mine is a .223, and gets more use than any of my other rifles except the TOZ-78. I've got a 6x Leopold scope on the CZ, and with the right ammo it'll go into .75" easily at 100 yards.

As far as I know, the current production CZ .223 bolties have a 1/9 twist. Mine does, and I've had it for a couple of years.

January 21, 2008, 10:45 AM
I enjoy 100-300 yard shooting very much... High power rifles are great for these distances, but it gets tiring absorbing .308 recoil all day. My only .223 is an iron sighted AR carbine. Wonderful rifle, but not really ideal for tiny groups from a bench. For mid-range target shooting, I wanted something easy on the shoulder, preferably easy enough that I could watch impact through the scope, fast enough to fly straight, and common enough components that reloading wouldn't be a challenge. Barrel life was also a concern.

I ended up with a Savage in .204ruger topped with a Weaver KT15. Couldn't be happier with my choice.

Whatever you get... Enjoy it :)

January 21, 2008, 12:28 PM
You cannot go wrong with Remington 700 and 30-06.

I have one, (Remington 700 CDL in .30-06), and it's good to punch paper out to 600 yards. It has a Bushnell Elite 3200 scope.

It is light, accurate and if you ever decide to hunt the .30-06 will take any game on the N. American Continent.

January 21, 2008, 12:35 PM
.223. Cheaper to feed.
Rem 700 is fine. Look at CZ and Savage too.

January 21, 2008, 12:40 PM
Heck, I use a 223 for target shooting out to 400 yards. If your just punching paper or steel at 200 yards, 223 will work just fine.

January 21, 2008, 12:54 PM
.223. Cheap to feed and extremely accurate. Many of the exotic calibers (besides being expensive) are known to eat up barrels in fairly short order.

January 21, 2008, 12:58 PM
Take a look at one of the Remington 223 varmint or tactical rifles. Out of the box, most are more than accurate enough. 22 caliober, 243, 6.5 or 30 are you best choices as there is a huge selection of match grade bullets available for these.

Check out Sierra, Berger and Lapua bulets.

February 16, 2008, 11:25 AM
If you're looking for something to get into cheaply and maybe customize later, look at the Stevens 200. Mine would shoot 3/4" groups at 110 yards (range at my parents' ranch was the farthest I shot it) pretty much all day long with Black Hills 68gr BTHP match ammo. Under $300 for the rifle, $300 again for glass and $50-75 for nice rings and mounts, and you have an excellent platform to build a great custom rifle. Later add a large bolt handle if you want, better stock, aftermarket trigger, and eventually a barrel, and you will have a great LR shooter that is built just like you want it. Savage rifles are not known for their frills, especially the Stevens line. They are known for accuracy.

February 16, 2008, 11:27 AM
.223 is an excellent choice. Ammo price and accuracy wise.

February 16, 2008, 11:40 AM
You could do a lot worse than an H&R single shot for this kind of shooting--they have a couple of 22" bull barrel rifles in .223, .243, .308 and of course lots of other barrel and caliber combinations.

For stocks, they have everything from a plain or laminated wood stock to normal or pistol-grip plastic stock, depending on the model.

For real fun, there's the .45-70 Buffalo Classic with a 32" barrel and target peep sights. That will get everybody's attention on the range, guaranteed. [Boom......clang!] ;-)

February 16, 2008, 11:43 AM
I would part from the general opinion here. I think 30-06 is a good choice since it would bang bulls eys on 200 yds and beyond if later you do want to up the target. Whereas smaller calibers would not go as far as this. Only other rifle that comes to mind which is great for targets is Dragunov 54R scoped. Now that will serve you for a long time for variety of ranges.

February 16, 2008, 11:48 AM
I guess that's why our military qualifies out to 500yds with the 5.56/.223

I'm going to say a free floated, bull barrel AR15. I bought a Rock River A4 with a Leupold scope and would get sub MOA with it, easily. With the glass and rifle, you're probably looking at $1000.

February 16, 2008, 11:54 AM
Stevens 200 in .223 pick it up under $275, add a scope and your done.

February 16, 2008, 11:55 AM
6mm Benchrest.

February 16, 2008, 01:14 PM
200 yards is pretty short range, almost any centerfire will do that. And as a longer range target cartridge, the 30-06 was eclipsed about 30 years ago. I shoot a 1-7 twist 223 Savage at 500m all the time, it's really no big deal. I would feel confident out to 800, just a twist of the elevation knob. And it doesn't beat you up like a 30-06. Fantastic ballistics in a 243 with 115g DTACs too. The ideal cartridge, if a 223 is too small for you, would be the 260.

Snapping Twig
February 16, 2008, 01:25 PM
.260, 7mm-08, 7.62x39, in a CZ, Savage or a Remington.

Vern Humphrey
February 16, 2008, 01:26 PM
I agree on the .223 -- cheap ammo, and if you handload, the components won't be all that expensive, either.

I like my .22 Hornet, too -- with the 35 grain Hornady V-max and a case full of Hodgdon's Li'l Gun, it leaves the muzzle at a tad over 3,000 fps. Zeroed for 150 yards, it's a smidgen over 1" at mid-range and only down a bit over 3.5" at 200 yards. A very nice cartridge for crows, foxes, coyotes and so on here in the Ozarks.

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