Tall Tales from a Gunshow


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ozarkhillbilly
January 20, 2008, 11:36 PM
I went to the local gun show yesterday, while I know it is possible to get some good deals, but most of the dealers reminded me of TV used car salesmen. I have never seen a car salesman tell the amount of lies and bs I heard yesterday.

Just a few examples.

I overheard a dealer tell a guy that his Mauser 98s where brand new never been fired especial made for the USSR by Germany as war reparations.

A guy wanting to sell his model 700 in .270, the dealer says that .270s aren't worth but maybe a $200 on a trade because nobody was buying .270s anymore.

I talked to a dealer about a H&K P7 psp grade B, he wanted $699.00, not a bad price I probably would have bought it until he told me that this would probably be my last chance to ever buy one because his was the last of the imports in the country and no other dealers could now get them.

I looked at several Colt 1902 .32acp a dealer had, you could see on the tags clearly where he had marked the price on all of them up $300, when asked about it, his reply was that he had been sitting on them for awhile.

Is my experience typical to experiences you have had at gun shows?

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Aguila Blanca
January 20, 2008, 11:40 PM
You went to a gun show that actually had GUNS?

How'd you find the guns amongst all the beef jerky and Nazi memorabilia?

Bigjake
January 20, 2008, 11:51 PM
How'd you find the guns amongst all the beef jerky and Nazi memorabilia?

Try finding guns among the rabid Ron Paulian tables at my show.... Ironic that they pick a guy whose record is decidedly anti-gun as their champion.

2RCO
January 20, 2008, 11:51 PM
Were those 1903 colts? Or was it a.38? If it was and 02 .32 I'm a bit impressed. Or was this an Albanian/Kenyan war era battlefield pickup.

SomeKid
January 21, 2008, 12:16 AM
Bigjake,

Where do you get your information? I am just slightly curious, as I want to avoid your sources. Also, lets try not to turn this into another RP thread. We have enough of those. Let this be about gun shows.

The last gun show I went to was about 4 years ago. Maybe 5. About a third of the tables had guns, bad prices and unpleasant vendors, and the rest had other things.

Gun shows in my area tend to have decent ammo prices. Or had, no idea about current ones.

As for tall tales, I had one clown (at the one I went to) tell me Wolf was banned from importing ammo, and this was it (what he had.) I did not believe one word he said, but bought all his ammo. Guy had nice prices.

Cesiumsponge
January 21, 2008, 12:25 AM
Try finding guns among the rabid Ron Paulian tables at my show.... Ironic that they pick a guy whose record is decidedly anti-gun as their champion.

That's odd, because Ron Paul's record is in actuality completely pro-gun, and for the right reasons too...not one of "to preserve duck hunting". The show I went to this weekend was chock full of Ron Paul signs as was last month's show. I didn't see any Romney, Thompson, Duncan, Giuliani, or Huckabee signs at all. Clearly this candidate has struck a chord with a reasonable share of dealers renting tables at the gun shows. As mentioned, not to derail this thread, but please refrain from making statements without supporting evidence.

The beef jerky is always good, and there are plenty of guns at the show here. I hear horror stories about how some gun shows are more sportsman shows than actual gun shows. The WAC shows here I attend are about 80% firearms, 10% knives, 5% books, jerky, jewelry, and 5% miscellaneous. The only qualm I have is that the optics offered are usually lower end stuff. There aren't many people selling Leupold, Zeiss, Leica, Nightforce, etc.

Just like staff and customers you meet in gun stores, you'll find honest folk, liars, and people that are downright scammers at gun shows. Best know your stuff if you're to make a purchase. I usually attend once or twice a month and one of the best things is networking with folks and sharing stories. You'll find out who to avoid and who you like to deal with.

Tribal
January 21, 2008, 01:01 AM
The ones I've attended (in Hampton, Norfolk, and Richmond) have all been pretty decent. Of course there were people selling jerky, "WWII" memorabilia, crafts, and Chinese knockoff junk, but the majority seemed to be split between those selling actual firearms (half new or modern, half older) and those selling accessories and ammunition.

Of course the gun dealers varied, with some charging extremely high prices and not wanting to negotiate. However, quite a few readily pointed me to others who had what I wanted and sometimes even worked to convince me (they were right) that a proposed trade I'd been offered was a good one. Overall, the ones I've been to have been good experiences and I've been happy with both the quality of the purchases and the attitudes of the people there.

My "wishlist" would have two main items:
1. Removal of shady guys outside constantly asking "What's in the case? Whaddya want for it?"
2. Banning of large Nazi displays. If you've got a big box of WWII stuff then no big deal (although having a swastika twice as large as the American star and the British roundel is kind of iffy). If you've got a big display of flags, half of which have a swastika and no historical precedent then I'd prefer you not be there.

Of course, I wouldn't mind having a bluegrass band or something off in the corner near the concessions, but one can't have everything.

Tokugawa
January 21, 2008, 01:01 AM
WAC shows are great. Guess that is the difference between having a club show and a strictly commercial venture.

Bob R
January 21, 2008, 01:04 AM
There was a guy at the last show I went to that had a gun I wanted. He had raised the asking price on the gun by 200 dollars since the show 3 months ago.

All he did was write the new price over the old, kind of tacky IMO.

bob

bogie
January 21, 2008, 02:31 AM
Suggestion: If you see an offensive dealer (i.e., nazi or klucker), go find the show promoter, and tell them that (a) you don't really want to come back; and (b) if the media shows up, guess who they'll gravitate toward to show how _their_ show works...

98C5
January 21, 2008, 08:04 AM
The shows around me aren't too bad. Yeah, you have the Nazi articles guy, the beef jerky, the knife guy, and the jewelry lady. But, there are several dealers with nice pieces and pretty good prices. One had a polished nickel Rock Island in .45 for $375. I thought they only had those in .38 Super. I told him to write the caliber on the tag, he'd sell it faster. He smiled and did. After debating it 20 minutes, I went back over to buy it. Nope, gone! He said that after I left he heard a customer say ".....but it is in a .45..." and bought it. I smiled and said "maybe next time". Yeah, pulled the rug from under myself!

Oh well, picked up some ammo and AR mags and was happy.

The worst one I heard is that when I was trying to sell a Dan Wesson 10mm NIB, I heard "...the 10mm isn't popular" and "Dan Wesson is an okay brand...."

:rolleyes:

hotpig
January 21, 2008, 09:38 AM
I stopped setting up at shows around here. It was hard making enough money to pay for the table. I'm in Illinois so it is more of a social event than buy or sale event.

As far as a 270 rifle I would not give anything for it. It would never sale locally. I would have to put it on auction arms and hope to come out on it.

SGW42
January 21, 2008, 09:40 AM
Shows I've been to have been okay. There's not too many "little guys" wheelin' and dealin'. Just what are obviously essentially traveling gun stores. But I don't mind, because they have had ridiculously low prices on NIB guns, and I can pick and examine whatever I want at my own pace.

I'd say there is usually about 70% guns, with one guy with pallets and pallets of ammo, the Taser demonstrator, "Huge Pile O' Magazines" guy and one jerky booth. I actually just like to go just to see the "Huge Pile O' Grips" guy and rummage through his bins. :) I've found some really nice finds for dirt cheap.

My only complaint would be there is always so much tacticool stuff and not nearly enough hunting-type rifles to look at.

All said and done I think it's worth the price of admission just to stroll in and people watch.

Avenger29
January 21, 2008, 09:46 AM
Hmmm...the last show I went to had plenty of guns, and I didn't see much in the way of food/beef jerkey/airsoft/junk, either...

I picked up an excellent Marlin Camp 9 carbine from a private seller for $285, and a new mag for my Winchester 69. Oh, they had some good books, too, and I picked up Enemies: Foreign and Domestic and Domestic Enemies.

I hope to go back to one. I need more mags and books, but I don't have any money for guns left...

Wedge
January 21, 2008, 10:00 AM
I have been to TWO (2) shows in my life. Both were very disappointing experiences. Admission price was about $5/person (I had my wife with me) and I was looking for handguns under $300 (just got my pistol permit in NY).

High prices, lots of junk, Nazi guy, jerky, NASCAR. Okay ammo prices, but I find that with most "shows" (gun, electronic, etc.) I spend as much as I would have on admission as what my range fees are and waste an hour and leave unsatisfied...

Now going in to people watch would be more entertaining and probably a better use of time and money than looking for non-existant deals.

Now, my grandfather has some Nazi memorablia...namely a Nazi marked P38...that he plucked off a dead German as a war trophy. Selling gigantic swastikas and flags though kind of makes me want to go buy an Allied rifle (Enfield, Garand, Mosin-nagant), affix the bayonet and stab the guy. But the First ammendment...much like the Second isn't about protecting what you approve of but what you don't approve of so I just try to ignore them.

I have yet to go to the one in Austin, perhaps I will give it a try.

wheelgunslinger
January 21, 2008, 10:15 AM
Yeah, I don't really get why people complain about the gun dealers lying.
It's not like you're sooooo offended by his moral character that you'd never buy a firearm from him. If he told you he was the "lost Dolphin", but offered to sell you a Garand for 59.95, you'd buy the Garand and ask him when he plans to take back his throne.

People do this all the time. At car dealerships and all manner of places, they worry about the character of the salesperson, when in reality it's the price of the item that is really all they care about.

So, some guy has a table full of guns and fabricates reasons that its worth more. Offer what you think is a fair price and either buy it or move on. But, worry about your own moral character and mind your own business.

And, I tend to not worry too much about the beef jerky, Nazis, "Tyranny Response Teams" (militias- to use the common parlance), booksellers, conspiracy guys, or the cheap chinese gadget guys. If they didn't show up, there wouldn't BE a gun show because no one would be renting booths. If you don't want what they've got, just keep walking.
Kinda like the aisles in a grocery or convenience store. I may not buy ho-hos, a pair of pantyhose, an unbreakable comb, and a newspaper every time I stop for gas, but I can get what I went there for and leave without passing judgment on the clerk for having products I don't buy, even if the clerk tells me that my regular unleaded is vintage fuel from a WW2 crash site in Roswell and that's why it's 3 bucks a gallon.

Neo-Luddite
January 21, 2008, 10:17 AM
Went to one across the line in Iowa this last weekend; very crowded.

Wanted a Yugo SKS firing pin--none to be had. Did pick up some ammo.

If you go to the same shows, you see the dealers that are friendly and honest over and over again. Good dealers will become repeat dealers and fixtures. Like adjusting the squelch on a two-way radio, you mostly learn to ignore the jerks (and there are always jerks a a gun show).

GEM
January 21, 2008, 10:22 AM
You have to know your stuff and find a few of the good dealers.

For Austin, AJC - although he can be cranky has good prices and decent on trades.

BTW, coin shows are the same way. Try to sells something there - lucky if you come back with your shorts on. Again, you have to find a good dealer.

SGW42
January 21, 2008, 10:29 AM
Another thing is I always look at who the promoter is. Here there seems to be a show every weekend, but there's at least 4 or 5 different promoters doing them. The first show I went to (as described above) I enjoyed, so I only look for shows when they are coming back to town (High Caliber, if anyone is interested) and those are the only ones I've been to.

ceetee
January 21, 2008, 10:41 AM
People do this all the time. At car dealerships and all manner of places, they worry about the character of the salesperson, when in reality it's the price of the item that is really all they care about.

I do it myself. I like honest people, and I tend to reward them for that honesty with my business. If a guy is lying to me about a particular item, and it's an obvious enough lie that any well-informed gun hobbyist would catch it, then what else is he going to lie about? Besides that, what kind of lies is he telling to people that don't know better? 'Minds me of the time I heard a gunshop clerk telling a potential female customer that once she bought her new Glock, she should just shoot at any unexplained noise she heard in the night - apparently, that Glock would make her accurate enough to hit the target without even seeing it.

Honest dealers are a credit to the whole firearms industry. Dishonest ones do us all a disservice.

ilbob
January 21, 2008, 10:42 AM
The local club I belong to sponsors three shows each year.

Mostly a decent mix of guns, gun parts, ammo, gun accessories, knives, reloading equipment and supplies, gun and military related books, and milsurp stuff. Usually one guy selling some or all of the aforementioned stuff plus porn. Usually one guy selling coins. Usually one guy selling the knockdown gun safes. Once in a while the beef jerky family. Sometimes one or more politicians or political parties.

I am not real fond of the porn guy (although he is quite personable), but no one at the show seems to care, and a lot of it is kind of collectible. He has a autographed posters and such. A lot of it is Ginger Lynn stuff and she is from this area, and for some reason some people collect her stuff. He is reasonably discrete about it.

The beef jerky family makes some awesome beef jerky. So if they are there I usually get a bag. Maybe two. :)

I find I end up buying a few milsurp ammo boxes at least once a year.

Over the years have acquired four (maybe five) guns via the shows. It could be I have forgotten some over the years though.

Have bought some ammo and reloading supplies. Not recently though. Much more cost effective to buy over the Internet, and a much better selection. Or I can get some stuff such as cast bullets through other sources.

I think I may have bought a few zippered cases as well as a range bag at the shows too.

Probably have forgotten as much stuff as I have remembered.

I have found most of the prices are competitive, but no screaming bargains on anything. Used to be the prices were much better at shows. I think the brick and mortar dealers have learned to better compete these days.

Now and then I will closely at a firearm. The dealers sometimes seem to have a good story about them, sometimes not. I don't pay much attention.

Don't see a whole lot of Nazi of KKK type stuff. A few odd pieces there and there, but not whole tables.

Have not seen the druggie looking people from the LP in a while. The latest LP people I saw at a recent show looked pretty straight. It is real hard to take a political party seriously when it seems that most of its local operatives care only about making pot legal, and could care less about guns at all.

The constitution party was there a few shows ago. So have several republican party candidates over the years. Never have seen a democratic party candidate.

harmonic
January 21, 2008, 10:44 AM
When I first got into this hobby it was not unusual for people selling guns to make up preposterous tales about their "particular" gun.

Such as taking off the grips of a handgun and there were the initials "BK" scratched into the frame. Then the seller would say as how this was "Billy the Kid's" personal firearm.

I've never heard anything that ridiculous. I guess the most ridiculous thing I ever heard was when I was at a show and picked up a dealer's 29-2. I was standing there looking at it and the dealer said it was unfired.

The gun was extremely loose. The barrel had a severe case of leading that nobody had even attempted to clean. And I just looked at the guy making that claim to make sure he was from planet earth.

Cannonball888
January 21, 2008, 10:46 AM
How'd you find the guns amongst all the beef jerky and Nazi memorabilia?
I hear ya. And you know it's really a bad show when all the jerky is shaped like swastikas :rolleyes:

Not defending Nazis, but it is amazing that I never hear anyone complain about all the Soviet memorabilia when it is a fact that Stalin killed far more innocents than Hitler.

Ash
January 21, 2008, 10:53 AM
I had a guy at the Hattiesburg gunshow who was looking for my SIG 220 tell me that people weren't all that interested in SIGs around here. I looked at him, my eye brows up, and "You mean to tell me you don't sell SIGs?" He said he didn't and that the best possible on the 220 was $200 because they just don't move. I wasn't trying to sell to dealers, but always let one look if they ask. I was asking a very sellable price for a West German 220 in 95% ($400) as that was what I had in it. I just smiled and took my pistol back and kept wandering. I didn't have to sell. But then, perhaps 30 minutes later, the seller walked up and told me he would pay the $400 in cash. I sold it to him.

The worst was once I was told by a dealer the best he could offer on a Colt Trooper Mk III in 22LR and nickel finish, 100% condition, was $40 because they just weren't worth much. Knowing their value being in the $600-$900 price range, I just smiled and took it back. He has a shop in Hattiesburg (pawn shop). I will never, ever buy from him because he was trying to cheat me. A low ball price is one thing, but less than a tithe value is dishonest.

Ash

Tommygunn
January 21, 2008, 10:58 AM
I guess I'm lucky where I am. While I don't always find good guns where I go, I have got some good guns at a few shows. I have always enjoyed the experience even when I find no interesting guns.
At one gunshow I even got to examine and handle an M1A1 Thompson. Not the Kahr semi auto woosified version, a rebuilt WW2 full auto. The guy who owned it probably had every federal license available. The only downside was it had a rebuilt receiver after '87 and couldn't be transfered. OTOH maybe that's not a huge downside since I would NEVER have been able to afford it!
The only time I've been disappointed is when they're held in a small room and there's not too much there.

kframe357
January 21, 2008, 11:04 AM
Was at a gun auction yesterday, run by a gun shop... The owner of the shop was auctioning off 126 used guns, some went for well below value. However, the dealer/auctioneer repeatedly lied (or didn't know crap about the guns, either way, bad business).
At one point he auctioned a used SAIGA 7.62x39 (I got one in a trade for a very tired .22 Browning). When the bidding stalled at $220, he told the crowd that it accepts standard AK and SKS mags and that he had a table full of the mags at $15 each on his table. He ended up getting $300...about $10 more than a new one....after the auction, I found the bidder and explained to him the differences between a Saiga and a standard AK....I shouldn't have to do that.........

Quigley
January 21, 2008, 12:30 PM
Even though I attend three or four a year I rarely spend a dime, cant help myself got to go look around. Just glad to see the shows around here have run off the table-o-porn!

mainmech48
January 21, 2008, 02:14 PM
There're only a couple of venues that I attend around here anymore. Most often it's the Indy 1500. While there has been a noticable upsurge in the 'food & fleamarket' tables during the last couple of years, it's still mostly firearms and related items. I've found some really good bargains there over the years and been able to actually see and handle some stuff I'd have otherwise only experienced in pictures and magazine articles.

It might just be me, but the last couple of times I've been able to attend it seems to me that there're fewer and fewer vendors coming. Several of the private collectors and traders I've come to recognize have stopped coming. I'm told that the very large increases in table fees had a good deal to do with it. My guess is that increased insurance and security costs due to a couple of ND incidents a while back had much to do with that, and the increased gate fee too.

Before those happened, the tables cost $35 each and the entrance fee was $5.00. Now they're $150 and $8.00, plus another $3.00 to park. Tough for the little guy to break even at that rate. Still, I hate to see it. Some of the neatest stuff, the nicest folks and the best dealing was at the little tables.

And yeah, I've overheard a good deal more egregious bs-ing from some of the more 'agressive' dealers there than previously. I just note the outfit and take my trade elsewhere.

graybeard321
January 21, 2008, 02:50 PM
Salesman at Gunshows are like any other Salesman. They will tell you what you want to hear or Lie to to scare you into making a purchase. My wife and I attend about 4 to 6 ginshows a year. I have ordered Catalogs from all major manafactures, spend time on THR and other boards like glocktalk and ruger.... Then I check out prices on auctions sites like gunbrokers. It only took one trip around the floor for me to learn which vendors to avoid.

Eric F
January 21, 2008, 03:27 PM
Ok I had a 5 day brake so I grabbed a friend and we did a tour of East-Central Va going to gun stores not really looking for anything particular just looking. I had the displeasure of some really high prices paid $40 for a box of 30 Remington :( heard the comment of "45 will stop a drug dealer in your house"(I thought it was the junkies doing the robberies but what ever)
Stoped in one shop 3 counter people working 1 doing a buy back looking up a price on a Smith pistol of some sort 1 blabing away to his buddies and 1 trying to clear a customers gun with a live round loaded gun in battery but trigger was jammed and could not rack slide hammer cocked....I asked one question....."Excuse me how much are you asking for the Sharps Rifle?" Reply......."Cant you see we are busy!":banghead: I just walked out

Bottom line its not just the gun shows its every where these days There is a gun show this weekend comming up I expect the SSDD t-shirts BBQ sauce tazers stun guns Nazi junk USSR junk pitted abused surplus guns and a few over priced real guns and no deals on ammo!

Phydeaux642
January 21, 2008, 03:35 PM
You went to a gun show that actually had GUNS?


You got that right. I had to wade through tables of jewelry, purses, stuffed animals, barbecue sauce and a couple of political agenda tables to get to the guns. And, then there wasn't much to look at.

ozarkhillbilly I think I went to the same show that you did and I was less than impressed. The last show that I went to was about twenty years ago and I remember it being stocked with lots of really interesting items. This show didn't have much that was interesting and the prices were way out of line compared to what I can purchase the same items for at my local gun shop. So, I support my local gun shop. There was one fella there that owns a local gun shop that I avoid at all costs because he had lied to me about a particular item in his shop about twenty years ago, so, I assume he will still lie to me to get my money today.

There was also a group selling new AR-15s at $595 with a sign on their table stating that they only had a 30-day function guarantee. Geez, the worst warranty I have on anything that I have purchased has been a year on a Walther P22 and I had to use that after the first trip to the range. Thirty days seemed to be telling me that they don't believe in their product.

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jerkface11
January 21, 2008, 03:40 PM
New AR15's at $595?? what were they vulcans or something?

B.D. Turner
January 21, 2008, 04:01 PM
I have also all but stopped shopping at gun shows. I make only a couple a year now. I used to drive well over 100 miles just to get to shows. NC dealers do not want individuals selling guns to anyone but dealers and some shows post signs against private transactions as if it was illegal to sell a firearm to an individual.
If the anti gun folks want to fuel their fire all they need is to visit a gun show most every show is filled with nazi, kkk, hitler pictures and other stuff along with books like poor mans james bond, Homemade bombs, Turner Diaries and booby traps made easy. These dealers are not selling guns they are selling crap that pictures gun owners as redneck/racist/terrorists who should never own guns. Gun shows should be about guns not a flea market with guns.

Phydeaux642
January 21, 2008, 04:01 PM
jerkface11, I'm not sure what they were. I was walking over to the table to take a closer look when I spotted the sign. After that I turned away to look somwhere else.

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highorder
January 21, 2008, 04:05 PM
they were likely rifle/carbine kits, less stripped lower receiver.

dmftoy1
January 21, 2008, 04:07 PM
Yeah, I don't really get why people complain about the gun dealers lying. It's not like you're sooooo offended by his moral character that you'd never buy a firearm from him. If he told you he was the "lost Dolphin", but offered to sell you a Garand for 59.95, you'd buy the Garand and ask him when he plans to take back his throne.


LOL . .thanks for that it made my day.

I always figure that if someone tells me something that's obviously BS that it puts them at an advantage because I then know to look doubly close at anything their selling that I'm interested in.

Just my .02

Regards,
Dave

U.S.SFC_RET
January 21, 2008, 05:11 PM
I consider it to be one of the most serious forms of disrespect (lying). I mean the lying through your teeth type. If I run across those who do I will never do business with them, ever. I will even go as far to ask for a business card to remember them by.
I was taught that a man was as good as his word and I hold dear to it. I am not offended in the least but the word goes around. That includes local businesses as well. Local gun businesses.

ozarkhillbilly
January 21, 2008, 11:16 PM
Phydeaux642, Yes I believe we were at the same show. As far as the $599 AR-15s go I am a little unsure of the deal on that. They were DPMS ARs but they were being sold by another manufacture who has a reputation for great ARs and great service, so I am a little fuzzy as to why they had 50 plus ARs from a different manufacturer along with a bunch of their ARs which sell for over a $1000.00.

I have no problem with dealers lowballing prices or saying "thatís all its worth to me" but I agree with U.S.SFC_RET if you tell me a bold face lie I will not do business with you.

joplinsks
January 22, 2008, 08:06 PM
Let me guess... the RK show in Springfield, MO last weekend, right? :rolleyes:

I was there and thought it was pretty good... very crowded, but packed full of vendors with a little bit of everything. Probably one of the best shows held in Springfield in the last couple of years. Sellers lie at every show, so not uncommon. The $595 AR-15's you guys saw were from CMMG and sound like their famous "trash can" AR-15's (since they sell them out of trash cans at the shows) built from various parts. Tons of folks have bought these and think they are an awesome value for the money.

bikerdoc
January 22, 2008, 08:13 PM
i agree with tribal, the hampton, norfolk, richmond, shows are ok virginia beach show is thin at best, with a lot of side shows- next show in hampton is 1/26
last show only one moron asked me what you got - i told him an unfired 45 owned by gen patton - he said really! and i said no and kept walking.
yes country music would be good as would be lonely middle aged woman looking for husband #2 or 3

kennedy
January 22, 2008, 08:19 PM
gun shows good or bad still beat a day at work or home doing chores, lets be thankful we still have them

hockeybum
January 22, 2008, 08:33 PM
Wow! What gun shows are you guys going to? I go to the one at the south florida fair grounds and theres a dumpload of guns! :D

although there was a guy selling guns trying to tell us that a single action kimber was a double action.... my dad had to sit there and explain the difference between double action and single action to a guy selling pistols!!!

Floppy_D
January 22, 2008, 08:44 PM
I guess I've been to the same ones Bikerdoc and Tribal have... there are guns there, and I'm sure there are deals there, but I've never found them, probably because it was packed elbow to a-hole. Noone had reloading components or consumables, so I picked up some cleaning gear and called it a day.

jerkface11
January 23, 2008, 11:12 AM
Oh ok it was the bargain bin AR.

6_gunner
January 23, 2008, 11:26 AM
my dad had to sit there and explain the difference between double action and single action to a guy selling pistols!!!

Ha ha! That one cracks me up. I have a friend who's a Marine, and he still doesn't understand the difference between DA and SA. He seems to think that 1911s are double action. I think he assumes that if you don't have to cock the hammer for every shot like a Peacemaker, then its a double action. I had another friend who couldn't understand why DA revolvers weren't semi-automatic. Sheesh, I need smarter friends.

As for deals at gunshows, I still routinely see S&W model 10s for $150-$200 here in central Indiana. Apparently in some states, the $150 model 10 is believed to be an urban legend.
My best deal at a gunshow was a S&W 1917 for $300. It had been chopped to 3 1/4 inches, so no collector value, but I still think it was a pretty good deal. The bore and action are perfect and the blueing is about 75-80%.

silverlance
January 23, 2008, 11:37 AM
+1 on not looking like a nazi or klucker at shows, please. and if you are one, the hosts should put them in their own little corner with a little sign saying that "yes, it is their constitutional right and we respect that.. but don't enter if you don't like this stuff"

+1 on beef jerky, nascar, chinese crap, and wierd S&M / medieval stuff like fantasy swords, etc. then again, I actually like beef jerky, I like to pretend i know something about nascar, I sometimes buy chinese prison labor crap if it looks like it might work, and I know a lot of girls who like the fantasy stuff. getting a little tired of folks trying to sell me "geniune samurai swords made in the famous sword making province of gainan, CHINA"

+1 on tasers - but hey, i kinda want to buy a taser.

all in all, a gun show is like a carnival. you dont go there to meet your future spouse, and you seldom want to be photographed actually enjoying one.

Cougfan2
January 23, 2008, 12:12 PM
Salesman at Gunshows are like any other Salesman. They will tell you what you want to hear or Lie to to scare you into making a purchase.

graybeard321 I've been a professional salesperson all of my professional working career. While I, like you, have run into my share of salespeople that will lie to try to make a sale, please don't lump me into that category. I have NEVER lied to a customer. Frankly if you are a good enough salesperson, you don't have to.

Bigotry is bigotry, whether it's about skin color or profession. :mad:

crebralfix
January 23, 2008, 12:36 PM
I have seen the "location" markup where there was one price at a show in city X, and next week the dealer's price was $100 more in city Y.

Scorpiusdeus
January 23, 2008, 12:45 PM
I view gun shows a little like going to the zoo, but with bulk ammo for sale.

phantomak47
January 23, 2008, 01:07 PM
In Houston, gun stores just plan suck, they are way overpriced and are geared towards the ignorant buy buyer who doesn't know much and is basically "advised" about what he should buy. The problem is that Houston gun shops are just way overpriced with good deals not happening very often, you are left to basically Academy for Glocks and hunting rifles. Personally I have not and do not plan to ever buy at any shop located in Houston mostly because of price and selection.

Enter the gun show, some would call a "convention hall of paradise". Last weekend I was simply amazed at the amount of volume dealers (there was about 4 or 5) who were selling guns for hundreds less than what one would find at a local Houston gun shop. The selection was excellent , the prices were rock bottom and I ended up getting a ruger gp100 for $463, that would probably retail for $200 to $250 more at my local shop. Sure there was limited junk for sale and overpriced private sellers selling guns for far more than their worth, but as a whole, the gun show the easiest and cheapest way for the Houston resident to get the firearm that they want for a decent price.

3/325
January 23, 2008, 01:10 PM
Kinda like the aisles in a grocery or convenience store. I may not buy ho-hos, a pair of pantyhose, an unbreakable comb, and a newspaper every time I stop for gas, but I can get what I went there for and leave without passing judgment on the clerk for having products I don't buy, even if the clerk tells me that my regular unleaded is vintage fuel from a WW2 crash site in Roswell and that's why it's 3 bucks a gallon.
That there is dang funny.

But it can't be true because the last guy I bought fuel from told me it was the LAST of the vintage Roswell gas.
I talked him down to $5.50/gallon. Don't tell me he was lying.

Please, don't tell me that.

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