[Firepower!]

My friend is buying a pistol. He wants to know which is one is better pistol. SW Sigma or Taurus 24/7. I had both here with me so I showed them to him. He was unable to make up his mind. On one hand he liked Taurus with soft trigger and safety functions, yet on the other hand he like SW for the long standing reputation of the company.

What would you guys like to tell him about these two?

[JaxNovice]

I had a 24/7 that I regret selling. It really was a smooth pistol and had fantastic ergonomics. The straight Eight sites require some getting used to. It really is a fantastic value. The only thing to be aware of is aftermarket products and new mags cost a fortune relative to the cost of the pistol.

I would give a 24/7 a thumbs up

[wally]

Tough choice as IMHO these two are the best of the low end polymer guns. Let him shoot both, that should tell the tale that counts -- which does he hit better with?

If he can get over the Sigma's trigger, S&W customer service over Taurus customer service should be the tie-breaker.

In dry fire I rate polymer triggers: 24/7, MP, XD, Sigma but when shooting I rate them MP, XD, 24/7, Sigma. I left off Glocks as I don't shoot them well because they just don't fit me.

I didn't vote in the poll because he should choose after shooting both if at all possible.

I hate the straight-8 sights and painted the rear dot black to remove its distraction.

--wally.

[lee n. field]

A gun with a reputation of being somewhat sucky from a company with a reputation for top notch customer support, vs. what's supposed to be an OK or better gun from, well, Taurus.

Hmmmm.

Not sure, honestly.

[E5]

I've read a ton of good reviews in magazines on the 24/7 series. I've never heard anything other than complaints and :cuss: about sigmas on THR.

[Firepower!]

I am adding vote to Sigma just because i think sw is more durable.

[jakeswensonmt]

You're not giving us much of a choice here. There are other guns in that price range.

That having been said, I voted for the Sigma. It will almost certainly have a trigger that grinds a bit, but that can be lived with. I used to own a 24/7 pro 9mm, and its trigger had so much dead travel on take up that it was just as bad as the Sigma.

Also, the 24/7's tend to shoot very low, even when using the cursed Heinie sights properly , and even when compensating for the low shooting accuracy leaves a LOT to be desired. You would have a better chance in a self defense scenario if you clubbed the perp with the Taurus or threw it at him. And range use? Forget about it. My friends are still laughing about the safety of the targets when the 24/7 was in use. Don't believe the hype on the Taurus website, there's no way that the pistols in the videos shown there came off the regular assembly lines. Don't believe the American Rifleman hype, Taurus is a big advertiser in that magazine and we all know how that works.

Taurus repair and customer service may be the worst of any major manufacturer. Good luck getting them to make good on their highly vaunted warranty policy, and even if they do keep in mind that shipping a gun is not cheap.

The 24/7's ergonomics are incredible, which turns out to be a bad thing, because people end up buying them because they feel so good in the hand. I would never even consider buying another Taurus semiauto. Apparently sometimes Taurus does build a decent pistol, but it's not the norm, and odds are high that you will get a lemon. Their designs are very interesting, but their quality control is miserable.

[Firepower!]

Sorry for not putting up more choices. Actually I live in Pakistan and so does my friend who wants buy. His budget limits him to these two, and so does the import ban on Pakistan. If we were in US it would be an entire different story. Here Taurus is for US$ 1100, and SW Sigma for US$ 1500.

[Guitargod1985]

Here Taurus is for US$ 1100, and SW Sigma for US$ 1500.

Good LORD!

[strat81]

I am a happy owner of a Taurus 24/7 Pro 9mm. I would not hesitate to recommend it over a Sigma. 17+1 capacity is nice, the grip is great, and accuracy is reasonable. Mags are pricey, however.

[Ratshooter]

Wow i can't beleive what you have to pay for guns. I will never gripe again about the prices here.

I have a new S&W Sigma. It is my second one. I sold yhe first after reading how bad they were. That first gun wasn't anything like everyone said. It was accurate and completely reliable. I regretted selling it. I wonder how many people read what some else writes and then talks trash about a gun they have never even picked up?

I bought a second Sigma and shot it 5 days ago. No jambs and very accurate. The trigger is not as bad as others would lead you to beleive. Its no target trigger but it is very useable without any work. I was shooting at 15 yards and hitting the smallest dots on a duelling tree nearly 100% of the time. These were about 2" targets.
I had no FTF or FTEs. My friends new Kimber 45 had several stoppages. I fully recommend the Sigma. I know nothing about the Taurus so won't comment.

By the way what does ammo cost there?

[jonboynumba1]

can I go with C) beat up used Glock? :neener:

I'd have to go with c or d without even knowing what they might be ;)

[wally]

At those inflated prices I'd go with the 24/7. I doubt customer service for Pakistan is handled in the US for either gun making US experience with S&W vs. Taurus support moot.

OTOH, the US economy needs all the help it can get so get the Sigma!

--wally.

[SouthpawShootr]

I've never heard anything other than complaints and :cuss: about sigmas on THR.

Yeah, and how much of that has been unrelated to function but simply :cuss: about the heavy trigger? It's a characteristic of the design. S&W could make only a few small changes and really improve the trigger out of the box. S&W forum abounds with the specifics of how to do this.

I think S&W is going to have the edge but only b/c of superior customer service. I see these two guns as about even. Maybe you should let your friend fire both.

[SouthpawShootr]

Sorry for not putting up more choices. Actually I live in Pakistan and so does my friend who wants buy. His budget limits him to these two, and so does the import ban on Pakistan. If we were in US it would be an entire different story. Here Taurus is for US$ 1100, and SW Sigma for US$ 1500.

:what:

Why the heck don't we have a fainting smilie?:scrutiny:

[denfoote]

There is abso-bloody-lutely nothing wrong with the Sigma!! :what:

I have the dreaded SW40F, the gun that caused Gaston's panties to spontaneously crumple into a wad!! :neener:

Despite assurances from the Dark Side that firing even one round from this gun would cause the entire universe to fold in on itself, resulting in the extinction of all life, NOTHING happened on that fateful day at the range!!! :eek:

The gun went BANG, the boolet went where I wanted it to go, and it dutifully readied itself for the next shot, and so forth for the entire 15 round mag!!! ;)

It was not quite the dangerous WMD that the Internet chatter said it would be!!! :rolleyes:

[k98k792]

I love the Taurus 24/7 Pro I have in .45acp. Out of the 14 handguns I have, it has become my favorite. I had some mag issues at first,a problem that is specific to the .45s, with some of the older mags. Sent them 4 mags,they sent me back 8. I have around 1 k through it now with no malfunctions. It is a very accurate, well made weapon.

The Sigma is also a good weapon. After some usage the trigger pull smooths out alot!

[innerpiece]

Id go with the taurus.
sigmas are just fine, but i like taurus a bit more overall.

ip.

[romma]

I don't like Taurus... Not sure why...

[possum]

if it was between a m&p then it would be the taurus all the way, but i am just not a fan of the sigmas, yes s&w does have great reputation, and that would play heavily into the decision. but i think that i would be happier with the taurus in this situation.

[TimboKhan]

I have nothing against the new Sigmas, but I have owned a 24/7 and I liked it. You would be hard pressed to find a more comfortable handgun.

Also, the 24/7's tend to shoot very low, even when using the cursed Heinie sights properly It's funny you say that, because after buying my PT1911, I would like to put those Heinie Straight 8's on every handgun I have, save for the MkII's. I really, really like those straight 8 sights...

[George Hill]

Wow... This is a poll like: "Would you rather be socked in face by a Cheerleader, or kicked in the balls by a Glee Club girl?"

[Firepower!]

The cheapest 9mm bullet would be a chinese one for 50c. Some US bullets cost over 3$ a piece.
On the used glock option- we dont have such a thing. Glock cost 3500$ used to 6000$ brand new.
The vote seem to suggest Taurus, but other than hard trigger I am not seeing anything wrong with SW!
To me one is a fully loaded honda and the other is baseline Benz?

[19-3Ben]

$1100 for a Taurus 24/7....50c per round of 9mm at the cheapest? man it takes dedication to be a gun guy in Pakistan!!! I admire you guys. It's one hell of an investment.

[QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW]

i have the sigma .40 and love it. i bought it used but nearly new with only 10rnds through it. and it was over $100 cheaper then the taurus millunim pro they had in .40 that was more used. the sigma has great ergononics with the 18 degree grip etc. easy to maintain and field strip. great shooter and the trigger does loosten up quite a bit.

i have shot the taurus and disliked the snappieness of it as well as it didn't have a full size grip like i prefer. thats why i chose the sigma.

[thedrake]

The 24/7 OSS is now out :O

http://www.uberarms.com/handguns-taurus-model-24-7-oss.html

[railroader]

If you try and add a 24/7 oss to your cart it says it isn't currently available at uberarms. Mark

[kir_kenix]

i like the 24/7 pro personally. my wife actually picked out this pistol (in 9mm) and it kind of grew on me. i like the ergonomics, and after a few mags i came to like the sights. we have put 12-1300 rounds thru it, which isnt substantial but no problems yet.

one thing to mention that nobody else has is that the 24/7 is not rated for +p or +p+ ammo. at least i think i remember seeing that in the manual (ok...my wife saw that in the manual that i didnt read).

im away from home right now and it makes me feel a little better to know that my wife has this gun loaded w/ 18 rounds of hydra-shoks w/ a streamlight tl2 attatched to it right next to the bed (with a 20 guage pump right next to it...). cant really give it much more praise then that.

[jahwarrior]

i know nothing of the taurus other than the pt1911, which is a great gun. i also own the sigma, which is also a great gun. i 've had it for 2 years now, with only 2 snags: one FTF, and one stovepipe, both of which i'm sure were mag-related. get the sigma.

[-v-]

I have the 24/7 in a .40 cal. I dislike the snappiness of it, but that is as much a fault of the cartridge as the firearm. Reliability wise, it did have some hiccups out of the box, but after 100-200 rounds to break in, it runs smooth as ice, no FTFs/FTEs. An other interesting feature of the Taurus is the chrome-plated feed ramp to improve reliability. I think the chamber may also be chrome'd, but its hard to see.

On the trigger up-take. Its one of those things that if you've been shooting a lot, you'll notice, if you're just now picking it up, you'll be wondering what the :cuss: those guys are talking about? Myself, seeing as its been my 3rd gun, I hardly notice it. That said, this is my third firearm, and I didn't notice the uptake until people on this board started pointing it out, and even then its not any bother what so ever. The single-action pull is nice and crisp, and in case of a light-strike/bad primer the trigger works in DA mode as well, no need to rack the slide to reset the firing pin.

[Firepower!]

I guess Taurus wins this over SW. With respect to that SW should have made an improved SIGMA, since they are in business for a long time and should know by now what works and what does not- and stiff trigger does not!

[QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW]

if you shoot wheels guns at all you don't notice the trigger. but notice that is the only ocmplaint EVER about the sigma, take it tot he range. put some rounds through it and dry fire it. they trigger loosens up quite a bit. also it has a less snap to it compared to the taurus (weight maybe or grip position?) but again i have shot both quite a bit and still i carry my sigma 24/7/365

[Firepower!]

Is SIGMA losing on this poll because of its trigger or people think SW is not much better then Taurus, which would be a shock to me?

[Firepower!]

If this poll ends in Taurus win over SW, it means SIGMA should never have been made.

[Charley345]

Never shot a taurus, but I've had my Sigma 9mm for a month and I love it.

[QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW]

sorry but this makes no sense.

"If this poll ends in Taurus win over SW, it means SIGMA should never have been made."

then why even ask this question or open this poll. if YOU think the taurus is better then just get the taurus. i dont see the reasoning behind this poll then but to talk crap about a great pistol. ive never had any problems and i rather deal with S&W customer service any day over taurus's. and taurus has not had the greatest of names until recent years when they finally stopped copying everyone and trying to make something orignal which took some time.

the sigma trigger takes getting used to but the people that only grew up with auto's wouldn't be used to the trigger nor like it. people like me, who love wheel guns or have shot wheel guns don't have a problem. it was degisned a certain way, i for one have no problem with the trigger its a great saftey if you ask me because you have a longer pull which gives you that time if needed to back off the trigger if the asailant backs away. if not, let em have it.

if they put a external saftey on it then yes you can have a sa/da trigger, but if not your not gonna get the light crisp trigger of lets say, a 1911 or something to that effect.

[Firepower!]

Well where I am or my friend who is actually comparing the two for his next purchase, is not concerned with the sutomer service. This is because he is not in the US.

On one hand he like SW. For its long standing reputation and durability, yet he is comparing it with rather a newer manufacturer who is offering more in less price in terms of safety and soft enough trigger that does not distrub his shots.

SIGMA costs about 1500 $ here and Taurus about 1000$....so for him its sort of a big decision.

[FieroCDSP]

SIGMA costs about 1500 $ here and Taurus about 1000$....so for him its sort of a big decision

Does it help to change that to Euros first? :uhoh:
If a Sigma cost that much here, there'd be rioting in the streets.

[QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW]

then why not buy the taurus? that makes no sense to me atleast, and i dont really see you getting more with the basic 24/7 over the sigma.

[hankdatank1362]

Taurus any day of the week, and twice on sundays.


Trigger sucks, but not as bad as a Sigma. At least it's not 12lbs.

I can punch out the bullseye at 10 yards with my 24/7 9mm just as well as I can with my P226 .40 S&W.

The 24/7 has never so much as hiccupped, let alone jammed. I've shot it A LOT.

I'd bet real money that it would last through any 3 day 1000 round handgun class taught by any major instructor.

[Ed Ames]

I can't see paying more than $1000US for either of those guns. Not unless there was absolutely no other way for me to get any gun at all. At that point I'd buy the cheaper gun and spend the rest on ammo.

In the US I'd buy the S&W. I have a Sigma and it's been great; never a hiccup, great feel in the hand, and quite accurate. Easy to shoot as well though the trigger is stiffer than you might wish.

Then again in the US you can buy five or six Sigmas for $1500.

[Moccw]

I had a sigma it was the first pistol i bought on my 21 bday, i traded it off a month or so later, thing has like a 40lb trigger, really SUCKED:banghead: $1500 No way, buy a xd 40, a glock 27, and a cauple thousand rounds of ammo instead of spending that much on a sigma

[SouthpawShootr]

had a sigma it was the first pistol i bought on my 21 bday, i traded it off a month or so later, thing has like a 40lb trigger, really SUCKED

:rolleyes: Hardly necessary to lapse into melodramatics here. It's got a tough trigger, but I've often said if you want to appreciate it better, fire one of the AMT .45 Backups or the CZ100. Sigma triggers are light and short by comparison.

If those guns are that expensive, I'd be afraid to see what their prices are on XDs, Glocks, Sig, and H&Ks. 1k of ammunition will likely be proportionately expensive, so you're probably talking $300-400 per case of 9mm.:what:

[Moccw]

you know what i meant..

[intrepid953]

I fought this decision personally this weekend at a local gun show. I liked the heft and feel of the 24/7 and liked the $50 rebate and extra magazines with the Sigma. They were within $10 pricewise before rebate. I brought home the 24/7 due to the extra magazine capacity and I liked the safety on it. Haven't gotten to the range yet so I guess I'll find out for sure if my choice was a good one today.

[Frosty_]

If you were talking about an M&P vs the Taurus, I'd have to say that go with the M&P. But as we are talking about the Sigma, I'd say go Taurus all the way. The sigma is not garbage but it it not a refined item as is the Taurus.

[Firepower!]

I was visiting a friend today and he told me that SIGMA was designed for Afghan police. Therefore its compromised on quality and limited to few thousand rounds in life...any truth to this story?