Looking for a GOOD .22 pistol
jdedonato
January 21, 2008, 07:11 PM
Hey All,
My wife wants to do some shooting and needs a good .22 pistol but I have no experience with this small caliber. Nothing but bad things on the Mosquito and Walther, so other recommendations would be great.
The Ruger Mark III or S&W?
Any feedback greatly appreciated.
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Uglyoldpoorman
January 21, 2008, 07:30 PM
Browning buckmark Camper. Fun, doesn't make a lot of noise so she doesn't get a flinch, plus it drives tacks right out of the box.
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/051379m.jpg
W.E.G.
January 21, 2008, 07:32 PM
Glock 17 or Glock 19 with Advantage Arms .22 conversion kit.
Claude Clay
January 21, 2008, 07:33 PM
S & W 422. same mags as the 41. very accurate & light. $ 200 used is a really good value for the $.low bore axis makes for light recoil.
hockeybum
January 21, 2008, 07:35 PM
+ 1 for browning
jerkface11
January 21, 2008, 07:37 PM
CZ kadet or the ruger maybe the browning though but i haven't shot one of those. Stay far far away from the smith.
DerbyDale
January 21, 2008, 07:37 PM
If you can find one... Hi Standards are very good 22 target pistols. Here is my Supermatic S100/101 that was recently given to me.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x14/Mavrick_album/Hi-Standard/Hi-Standard-002.jpg
jakeswensonmt
January 21, 2008, 07:37 PM
I am also a Buckmark fan, but I would spend a few more bucks and get a Standard instead of a Camper. The Camper has a plastic sight base which is prone to breakage in the long term.
atblis
January 21, 2008, 07:38 PM
A S&W K22 would be a good gun to consider. Amusing to shoot, and absolutely guaranteed to appreciate in value. Most people overlook 22 revolvers (revolvers in general really). The CZ Kadet is also worth considering. You are correct that P22 and Mosquito are junk.
http://i.pbase.com/g3/10/209910/2/55788527.SmithWessonK22Masterpiece02_6_06.jpg
armedandsafe
January 21, 2008, 07:43 PM
Ruger. Whether Standard, Mark I, Mark II, Mark III or 22/45 they are superb in accuracy, reliability and cost. I've shot them all and own a 1955 Standard.
The Browning Buckmark is very good, the High Standard is almost the same, and the AMT replicas of the Rugers are very good.
Pops
CZ 42
January 21, 2008, 08:07 PM
If you're loaded, S&W 41. I inherited one, it shoots toilet hinges off at 60 yards. Or if your a little more practical, a good 'ol tapered barrel Ruger Mk. A good compromisee would be a silenced Mk for somewhere between the prices.
bannockburn
January 21, 2008, 08:38 PM
Ruger .22 in any guise (Mk.II, Mk.III, 22/45), or a Browning .22 in any guise (Buckmark Standard, Camper, Contour).
strat81
January 21, 2008, 08:48 PM
I went through this with my wife a few months ago. I let her pick it out with one restraint: no Sig Mosquitos. She chose the Beretta Neos.
I'm happy with it.
22-rimfire
January 21, 2008, 09:17 PM
Ruger Mark II or III with 5.5" bull barrel OR a Browning Buckmark with a heavy barrel. Both are excellent 22 pistols.
On the revolver side if one leans that way, I'd probably suggest a older Smith Model 17 or the current Smith Model 617.
Comanche180
January 21, 2008, 09:24 PM
I can vouch for a Ruger MkII with a 5.5 inch bull barrel, good balance, good enough trigger for plinking, accurate and reliable right out of the box. I also have a Buckmark Camper (also 5.5 inch bull barrel), same performance as the Ruger. A couple thousand rounds thru it and no sign of breakage on the plastic parts, but any Buckmark would do.
They are only .22 caliber so don't expect much recoil but they will make a sharp noise especially indoors. Buy lots of ammo and have fun.
beemerphile
January 21, 2008, 09:33 PM
If you shoot a 1911, the Ruger 22/45 has similar ergos and makes a good practice pistol.
weisse52
January 21, 2008, 09:43 PM
Just jumping on, But the Rugers are hard to beat. MK II being the best if you can find one.
But, if you have the money a Smith Model 41 is THE best.
Black Majik
January 21, 2008, 10:18 PM
I think the Ruger MKII/MKIII set the standard for current production .22 pistols, but there are many that are also great.
I tend to stay away from .22 conversions since they're usually finicky with ammo. The Browning Buckmark, is also one heck of a shooter.
Maia007
January 21, 2008, 10:26 PM
The SW K22's are nice and heavy with terrific triggers and good sights. Very easy to shoot well with after market grips that suit the individual shooter. Virtually no recoil. SW's lighter kit guns also shoot easily and well. Wish I still had my Model 63.
For autos, I prefer the Colt Woodsman series or any of the Hi Standards. The Woodsman is a natural pointer and easy to shoot well enough instinctively.
CB900F
January 21, 2008, 10:31 PM
Jdedonato;
Just went through this process for myself. I also chose the Beretta NEOS. A friend of mine has one, got it in the summer of 07. He's put about 4000 rounds through it. Four points: 1. It's accurate. 2. The price was very competitive. 3. It's reliable. 4. I don't see how it could be easier to take down & clean.
900F
ArchAngelCD
January 22, 2008, 03:43 AM
I have a S&W Model 22A which was part of a special run made for AccuSport. It's the high end 22A and the special order was a 7" Fluted Bull Barrel with a Fiber Optic front sight. I like the pistol a lot but so does my son and you know what that means. Well, I found another good deal for myself, it is a Ruger Mark II that has some Clark Custom work done to it. It has a custom barrel and trigger work done to it. I got very lucky finding these two pistols but they are good without the extras too. Both are accurate and fun to shoot. Sorry, I didn't take any pictures of the Ruger Mark II for some reason. I just keep forgetting to do so....
Here is the S&W 22A:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/DSCN2058.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/DSCN2057.jpg
Valkman
January 22, 2008, 05:27 AM
My wife picked a Ruger MK II with the tapered barrel, and I already had a bull barrelled one and a S&W M41. Go somewhere that has a selection and let her pick the one that fits.
Brian Williams
January 22, 2008, 08:25 AM
These are 2 of the best. S&W 35-1 and a Colt Woodsman
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/perfessr/pairof22s.jpg
Shawnee
January 22, 2008, 08:40 AM
If she has to have a semi-auto, I would go with the Browning Buckmark or one of the older Hi-Standards. Make sure she can easily (read: safely) deal with indexing the slide before you buy any semi-auto.
If she can deal with a double-action revolver, the S&W models 18 or 17 are great.
If she can use a single-action revolver the Ruger Single Six or Ruger Bearcat would be my pick.
If she would be just as happy with a single-shot, one of the older Thompson-Center Contenders would be great and offers the added flexibility of having barrels available for it in many other good calibers. You both could have a blast with a Contender and a couple barrels.
:cool:
benatilstate
January 22, 2008, 09:32 AM
another vote for the buckmark
bond007
January 22, 2008, 12:47 PM
My impression is that the Buckmark is more comfortable to hold, but I shoot a little better with the Ruger. Either of them are great.
I always think about buying a conversion, but for the price a new 22 pistol always sounds more attractive.
pinetree64
January 22, 2008, 01:26 PM
I had a Buckmark ended up selling it and getting a Ruger MKII. Not sure why, both are great guns. BUT, what I shoot the most and have the most fun with, is a Walther P22. It is fun and accurate.
Average Joe
January 22, 2008, 05:35 PM
Ruger MK series
Bellevance
January 22, 2008, 06:08 PM
Save your nickels (all right, your $10 bills) and treat yourself to a Smith & Wesson Model 41, the finest target pistol made in America. If you prefer a revolver, as others have said, the K22 Masterpiece is damn hard to beat for overall quality, precision, and value.
jdedonato
January 22, 2008, 08:01 PM
I didn't realize there were so many options. Thank you all for the great feedback. I am going to llok for a Mark II or III, and see if I cannot get a hold on one of the Browning's.
You guys have some great pics! Thanks a bunch!
Radagast
January 22, 2008, 08:22 PM
The Walther P22 is plinking accurate with the five inch barrel- I put 10 rounds into 1.5 inchs at 10 metres with my first magazine full. The one I tried was perfectly reliable for 100 rounds but a friend has had so many jams he no longer brings it to the range. Very small grip well suited to small hands.
The Browning Buckmark is my all time favourite .22 auto, twenty years ago I shot one for the first time, I put ten rounds into a group I could cover with the ball of my thumb at twenty five metres with one, I've never beaten that group. The grip angle, sights and controls are all well located for my hand.
The Ruger MK II I had was perfectly reliable, I could never figure out how to dismantle it so I just cleaned the chamber with cotton tips and it was perfectly reliable. The trigger was quite heavy for a target gun and the grip angle never suited my hand. The safety catch was so stiff it took two hands to operate it. As I only used it as a range gun this wasn't an issue. Traded it towards a S&W 617
The Ruger 22-45 was also perfectly reliable, same safety catch issue, trigger was slightly better, front sight kept working loose and there was some movement between the grip and the reciever. Group sizes were slightly worse than the MKII.
S&W2206 was a perfectly reliable, lightweight and fun gun to shoot. grip was quite slim and well suited to small hands. Now discontinued.
S&W 617 six inch six shot full underlug revolver. Has had a problem with the built in safety lock refusing to disengage, it's too barrel heavy for me and I can't get used to the wide target trigger. Although a very well made gun I haven't warmed to it.
Beretta 92 practise kit: A .22 conversion unit for the Beretta 92, it includes a plastic ten shot magazine, an aluminium slide, steel barrel and recoil spring assembly. Fitted with target sights it is a fine tool for training and plinking, but not as accurate as a proper .22 pistol.
Ruger Single Six convertible revolver in .22 long rifle and .22 magnum. Most accurate .22 I have owned, it felt great it my hand and was great for training new shooters. The slow loading and ejecting cycle along with manually cocking the hammer each time allowed for a more methodic style of shooting. Wish I still had it.
Of the lot I would recommend the Buckmark first as it has a better trigger & safety than the Rugers, with the Single Six second and the Ruger MKII third.
Packman
January 22, 2008, 09:14 PM
Well, I love my ruger Bearcat, but my brother's Single Six is a dream to shoot. Only downside is its size and weight...It'll wear your arm out if you shoot like I do. (500-1500 rounds per session. Long time to hold up that much metal.)
pablo45
January 23, 2008, 04:17 AM
I bought my girlfriend a Walther P22 and she never shot it. I shoot it all the time. I love it alot. It is awesome and I think it is a great little gun.
TimboKhan
January 23, 2008, 05:30 AM
I think the Ruger MKII/MKIII set the standard for current production .22 pistols, but there are many that are also great.
Truer words have never been spoken. I can think of 5 or 6 really good .22 pistols of the top of my head. I happen to greatly prefer Ruger's, and specifically MkII's, but it would be foolish to suggest that there aren't other perfectly satisfactory .22's out there.
Let your wife pick what she wants, and you will be fine. I am no expert, but here is a list of pistols that I consider to be excellent choices in no particular order (except for #1, lol):
Ruger (duh)
Browning Buckmark
Beretta NEOS
Beretta 87 (VERY nice pistol, but a little expensive)
S&W 22
SIG (Hammerli) Trailside
Colt Woodsman
And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head and restricted to autos!
My wife wants to do some shooting and needs a good .22 pistol but I have no experience with this small caliber.
Also, whats up with you? I am just gonna be blunt and say that you need to hop on the .22 train yourself, dude. Really, there is no substitute for the fun a .22 pistol can give you. I can honestly say that I think every shooter should have a .22 pistol (or revolver) regardless of manufacturer. Really, if I had to boil it down to just one handgun (and thank god I don't), a .22 would be it.
bobfxd
January 23, 2008, 08:11 AM
Let her pick which ever one feels comfortable in her hand.
CajunBass
January 23, 2008, 06:39 PM
I'm a Ruger guy, as anyone who's read more than a couple of my posts can tell you. I've got four of them now, a MK II "standard" and a MK III 22/45 with a 4" bull barrel, and a BSA red dot sight. There isn't a dimes worth of difference in the MK II and the MK III unless you happen to enjoy making mountains out of molehills. If you want a Ruger, get the one you can get the best price on that has the features you (or more importantly SHE wants). If it's just for fun shooting, it's hard to beat the fixed sight standard model.
I've also got a Single Six, and a Bearcat. Great guns too. Slower to load and unload, but that does keep you shooting longer. The Bearcat is just fun to shoot and a delight to carry around in the field. I've got it on my hip right now as a matter of fact.
Another one I don't think anyone has mentioned is the Bersa Firestorm 22. My wife got one when she first started shooting and that is a neat little gun. It's a little fussy about ammo, but with CCI mini mags it runs like a sewing machine. Other people have said their's shoot anything. Spare mags for it are sort of expensive, but nice to have.
To tell you the truth, I haven't seen a 22 pistol put out by a major manufacturer that I don't like. The Browning or Smith&Wesson I wouldn't hesitate to buy.
Vern Humphrey
January 23, 2008, 08:19 PM
These are 2 of the best. S&W 35-1 and a Colt Woodsman
I've got an almost identical Woodsman (mine has an aftermarket Micro sight) and a Colt Officer's Model Target.
Pity the generation that comes after us. They'll be stuck with all this modern junk and think it's quality.;)
treeman800
January 25, 2008, 03:00 PM
Love my Ruger 22/45. With the right ammo it is capable of small game hunting. Great for 50yard plinking.
Dilbert
January 25, 2008, 08:45 PM
I've been well pleased with my Wilson Combat 22 conversion kit for a 1911.
RodneyKSig
January 25, 2008, 09:37 PM
I just bought a NIB MKIII 22/45 Tuesday and I bought some Remingtion Green Box and some Federal to try and break the pistol in properly and am just wondering what ammo you used for yours. Any mods or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Mike OTDP
January 25, 2008, 11:01 PM
(Sigh) Depends on what you mean by "good".
There's a lot to be said for the S&W Model 17, particularly for a novice.
The Ruger/Buckmark fight? I would not spend good money on either.
IF you can find one, the Baikal Izh-35 is a superb pistol - a $1000 gun for $500.
I'd take an older High Standard over a S&W Model 41...and neither at full retail. It's a bad price point, since for a few hundred more you can get into a GOOD gun like a Pardini. A lot of people whine about the price of the top-end European guns, but they are a LOT more fun to shoot.
19-3Ben
January 25, 2008, 11:23 PM
Buckmark. No question. best value, most comfortable, reliable, and if you get the buckmark rifle, you share mags. I'd like to see the ruger MKIII and 10/22 share mags.
Tortuga12
January 25, 2008, 11:57 PM
High Standard is the bee's knees! That being said, I just bought a Ruger Mk II (short tapered barrel, fixed sights) for plinking fun. Apparently, the military grip H.S. guns have a problem w/ hi-vel ammo, and it's basically impossible to find std. vel down here in SW Florida! (That, and I've wanted one since I was a kid!!) I've only handled a Neos, but I liked it quite a bit.
GunTech
January 26, 2008, 12:06 AM
Depends a great deal on hand size. If she has really small hands, the S&W 34 or 63 is a great gun. These J frame 22 revolvers have tiny grips.
http://guntech.com/revolver/34s.jpg
I am partial to the S&W 41 for an auto, but it is expensive and the factory grips are large. But it shoots like nothing else unless you step up to a Pardini, Benelli or similar target gun. And fit and finish are imcomparable.
http://guntech.com/rimfire/sw41.jpg
paperpuncher49
January 26, 2008, 07:53 AM
Unless you want an interesting looking but rather expensive paperweight (or model boat anchor) avoid the Sig Mosquito. It is POSitively the most unreliable, jam-prone, FTF, bad triggered .22 pistol I have ever had the misfortune to own. Maybe others have had better experiences.
Pilot
January 26, 2008, 08:05 AM
I just bought a NIB MKIII 22/45 Tuesday and I bought some Remingtion Green Box and some Federal to try and break the pistol in properly and am just wondering what ammo you used for yours. Any mods or advice would be greatly appreciated.
My MK II's liked the high velocity stuff when new. CCI Minimags work well. Clean the pistol well, then put a few hundred rounds of high velocity, then try some standard velocity of different brands. In all my .22's CCI seems to always function. For plinking, the Federal Bulk pack works well in my Rugers also.
Steve C
January 26, 2008, 03:54 PM
The Buckmark and the Ruger are probably the best for the price. I like the Colt Woodsman and Colt Officers Model Match in .22 lr also but they're a couple hundred dollars more used than the Browning or Ruger are new.
Vern Humphrey
January 26, 2008, 04:05 PM
My Officers Model Target cost $250 and my Woodsman cost $225.
(IDon't you just hate people who luck into deals like that?):neener:
NGIB
January 26, 2008, 04:32 PM
I have been looking for a quality DA .22 revolver for quite a while. The S&W 17s I've seen are either worn out and abused or priced so high I wouldn't want to shoot it. I looked hard at a new 617 but I just don't like the looks of the lock and it's over $600 to boot. Finally found a Dan Wesson with 6 & 8 inch barrels on Gunbroker and it should arrive mid-week. My Dad had one years ago and it was one of the finest shooting pistols I'd ever tried. A good .22 (or 2, or 3) is a joy to have, especially with the high ammo prices today...
Grizzly Adams
January 26, 2008, 05:36 PM
Ruger III 22/45 or S&W Mod. 17 are excellent 22s.
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