Will Winchester bring back the M94?


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B.D. Turner
January 21, 2008, 08:53 PM
Will Winchester ever bring back the M94? That rifle is as american as apple pie, the hot dog and baseball.

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JNewell
January 21, 2008, 09:21 PM
Ask us again when the current license to use the name on firearms has expired and been renewed by FN or licensed to some other firm? IIRC, the license expires some time this year. No one's likely to start up production without some period of time during which they know they'll be able to sell a "Winchester" 1894 - long enough to recoup their investment.

ArmedBear
January 21, 2008, 09:55 PM
Given that Henry is now offering a .30-30 lever gun and Mossberg has apparently announced a forthcoming .30-30 lever gun, it does appear that at least some people think there's room for more than the 336 in the marketplace. Also, Rossi is selling Brazilian-made 1892's (similar gun in pistol calibers), in many variations for higher prices than you might expect, and Uberti is busily selling replicas of various old Winchesters for more than any production 94s ever cost when they still made them.

It would strike me as strange if nobody did reintroduce the 94. HOWEVER, if they're smart, they'll wait and make really GOOD ones, to overcome the "sure ain't what it used to be" reputation of the recent 94's.

Win75
January 21, 2008, 10:11 PM
A current issue of one of the predator hunting magazines has an article about the Model 70 with a pic. The writer says that the 94 will be re-introduced in mid 2009.

The magazine is a friends and I don't remember the exact name.

paintballdude902
January 21, 2008, 11:53 PM
i hope that if they do they make more than the carbine

i would love to pick up a 26 inch octagon case colored

that was my fathers favorite gun before he sold it in the '70s his was made in 1909 i believe but i cant afford the 1-2k for a present

HisDivineShadow
January 22, 2008, 01:56 AM
I'm quite dissapointed Winchester hasn't jumped on the '73, I mean who'd buy a Uberti/Cimarron if you could get a real Winchester '73 for a similar price?

Atleast they are making the 92, but only in those large loop lever configurations and with scrolling. The 92 is much more interesting to me than the 94.

ArmedBear
January 22, 2008, 02:00 AM
Atleast they are making the 92, but only in those large loop lever configurations and with scrolling. The 92 is much more interesting to me than the 94.

"They" are making nothing. Miroku in Japan is making the 92 for FN and selling it as a Winchester.

I mean who'd buy a Uberti/Cimarron if you could get a real Winchester '73 for a similar price?

I sure would, because I'd want the better gun. We'll see what new Winchesters look like; before the plant closed, a lot of people were happily paying more for a Uberti than any "real" Winchester lever gun. And Uberti has only gotten better under Beretta's wing.

Note that many would rather shoot a Krieghoff than a "real" Remington 32, also.:)

skinewmexico
January 22, 2008, 10:56 AM
Isn't it funny when people talk about Winchester like they're still a company.....

HisDivineShadow
January 22, 2008, 11:20 AM
Oh well I'll just go look at that Rossi then...

uneasy_rider
January 22, 2008, 11:22 AM
"They" are making nothing. Miroku in Japan is making the 92 for FN and selling it as a Winchester.




The Japchesters are better quality rifles than anything Winchester has put out in a long time.

tallpaul
January 22, 2008, 12:10 PM
I just wish somebody would produce the 92/94 series in an affordable takedown like winchester announce right before the closing! I wanted a .44 and a .357 with the 16 inch non ported barrel...

wouls be about an ideal carbine for quite a few of us I believe.

HisDivineShadow
January 22, 2008, 01:14 PM
Armi Sport makes a take down Winchester 92. I want one, but I have a hard time justifying 1000 euros when a Rossi can be had for 600.

ArmedBear
January 22, 2008, 01:40 PM
The Japchesters are better quality rifles than anything Winchester has put out in a long time.

True, but so is and has been a Marlin, for a much better price (assuming you want a rifle, not a Japanese-made wall hanger with John Wayne's picture on it.)

Maybe Norinco should make a Chon Wang commemorative.:D

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Richard.Howe
January 22, 2008, 02:08 PM
I don't know an answer to your question about the M94.

But, the FN factory where the new M70s are produced has made M70s for quite a while, sold under the FN label. It has not made any M94s.

So, I think it's unlikely FN will start making the 94 again.

Gewehr98
January 22, 2008, 02:24 PM
True, but so is and has been a Marlin, for a much better price (assuming you want a rifle, not a Japanese-made wall hanger with John Wayne's picture on it.)

Are you talking about a high-grade Miroku/Winchester with engraving, or the plain-vanilla Miroku/Winchester Model 95 and Miroku/Winchester Model 1885 HiWall like the ones residing in my gun safe that get taken out and fired?

(IOW, they're not all for show and wall-hanging...)

Gewehr98
January 22, 2008, 02:26 PM
Did anybody look at how much those Henry .30-30 rifles weigh? :what:

DPris
January 22, 2008, 02:29 PM
On 1-17 in response to an email I sent a contact at Browning, the answer was that nothing has been finalized on the 94.
It won't be this year, but I'd give it a fair chance for next.
Denis

Essex County
January 22, 2008, 03:06 PM
Tons of used ones out on the market already. Good, bad or indefrent. I'm not sure a reincarnation would make it. Angle eject, beefed up recievers and crossbolt safties were all attempts to keep it alive. As much as I love the old 94, I think Marlin keeps it outpaced........Essex

ImARugerFan
January 22, 2008, 03:14 PM
I think you mean will "Winchester" bring back the M94. It's not the same company, nor would it be the same gun.

Cosmoline
January 22, 2008, 03:20 PM
There is no "Winchester" anymore. It's just a trademark. The actual company that made the name a legend was bought out in the early 1980's and what was left of it went belly up a few years ago.

You may eventually see more firarms with that name on them, but they won't be Winchesters anymore than the USRAC rifles were Winchesters.

rcmodel
January 22, 2008, 03:20 PM
The Japchesters are better quality rifles than anything Winchester has put out in a long time.The Japchesters are better quality then anything Winchester ever put out at any time in history.

I have a Browning 65 .218 Bee, and none of my 1900 vintage 92's or 1950's vintage 94's are even close to the fit, finish, accuracy, or bank-vault closing sound of the Jap lever-gun.

Heck, it don't even hardly rattle when it's open!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

ArmedBear
January 22, 2008, 03:54 PM
Are you talking about a high-grade Miroku/Winchester with engraving, or the plain-vanilla Miroku/Winchester Model 95 and Miroku/Winchester Model 1885 HiWall like the ones residing in my gun safe that get taken out and fired?

The discussion was about 92s, not 95's or HiWalls.

Kimber1911_06238
January 22, 2008, 03:56 PM
i do believe miroku will do a remake. like rcmodel said, expect better than winchester quality

ArmedBear
January 22, 2008, 03:57 PM
Gewehr98, yeah, it's ridiculous. Note also the prices.

Marlins are an excellent design and and excellent, well-made 7 lb. gun for $200 less than the Henry. The Winchester 94 was lighter, slimmer and quicker, a carbine design vs. Marlin's more steady rifle-like handling; hence some people preferred them objectively to the Marlin. And some people wanted a "real Winchester". Can't blame them, though Winchesters weren't quite as universal in the real Old West as they were in the movies.:)

But I can't see any reason to even look at the Henry at that weight and price. Good luck to them. Maybe they're banking on Remington wrecking Marlin and raising the prices a lot, but even then, I wouldn't buy such a beast as the Henry to shoot .30-30. Hell, my 24" .30-06 with a scope weighs about the same, and I consider it to be about as heavy as I'd ever want to carry around.

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Miroku can build a gun very well. If they build 94's, they'll probably be nice. It will be interesting to see how much they want for them. It will also be interesting to see if they can really charge a premium for the name Winchester.

Gewehr98
January 22, 2008, 04:26 PM
The discussion was about 92s, not 95's or HiWalls.

That Miroku never contracted to make any plain-vanilla shooter grade Browning/Winchester Model 92s? :confused:

ArmedBear
January 22, 2008, 04:43 PM
I don't think they made any "shooter" Winchester 92s.:D

wjaynes
January 22, 2008, 05:46 PM
Just got some information.
Winchester Wildcat is being made by TOZ in the Tula factory in Russia. The target rifle will not be available until July or August.
The Model 70 is being made by FN Herstal in South Carolina.
The 1300 now just called SPEED PUMP and DEFENDER is being made in Turkey, do not know by who - probably Khan.

Now for the BIG question, will the Model 94 make a comeback - the answer is YES. By who? No one has won in negotiations, but it is in the works.

Also, did anyone else hear that Remington bought out Marlin (New England Firearms and H&R) ????


My guns:
Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck 12ga - 1951
Winchester Model 12 20ga -1951
Winchester Model 97 12ga - 1947
Winchester Model 97 12ga - 1949
Winchester Model 94 30-30 - 1965
Winchester Model 94 30-30 - 1966
Winchester Canadian Centennial Rifle 30-30 - 1967
Winchester Apex 45cal BP - 2006
Winchester Model 425 22 Air Rifle - 1972
To aswer your final question: NO, they are not for sale.

JNewell
January 22, 2008, 09:11 PM
I don't think they made any "shooter" Winchester 92s.
Depends on whether you mean the name actually roll-marked on the rifle. The B92s were excellent "Winchester" 92s, made for Browning by Miroku, though the W word didn't appear on them. There were a lot of shooter-grade B92s at one point, before collector/accumulators and CASers took over that market.

ArmedBear
January 22, 2008, 11:36 PM
That's right. They were not made in the Winchester plant, they were not marked "Winchester." They were made in Japan by Miroku, stamped Browning by a Belgian company. They were no more a "Winchester" than a Puma or Uberti.

Doesn't mean they didn't shoot well. But they're Japanese replicas, just the same.

Gewehr98
January 23, 2008, 03:05 AM
Better fit and finish than what we extruded out of New Haven, I'll even state.

Outsourcing - not a new concept by any means. ;)

JNewell
January 23, 2008, 08:34 PM
That leads to the question: What's a Winchester? If it has to be made in New Haven, there will be no more Winchesters. No one's going to re-open the New Haven plant - that's extraordinarily unlikely. The guns marked "Winchester" but made in South Carolina, or Japan, or whereever, flunk the "made in New Haven" test...

After FN acquired USRAC, they sold Mirokus that they were legally able to mark "Winchester." Were those "Winchester" rifles?

Maybe the only real "Winchester" are those made before the family sold the company during the Depression?

sparkyguy
January 23, 2008, 08:54 PM
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd206/sparkyguy/puma92a.jpg
Puma mdl 94 16" carbine in ss, 44 mag. Shoots great, accurate with open sights to 50yrds(haven't tried anything further out as my eyes aren't so good) and is ALOT of fun! Cost: around $450 NIB.

Gewehr98
January 23, 2008, 09:19 PM
I wonder how that Puma 92 would feed .44 Specials? :drool:

sparkyguy
January 24, 2008, 06:33 AM
Gewehr98 wrote:
I wonder how that Puma 92 would feed .44 Specials?

I haven't fired 44 specials in it yet, but in a week or so, I will find out. I won some 44mag/44special mixed ammo on gunbroker along with some reloading supplies for 44 mag. The kick from the 44mag is fun, but after 40 or so, the fun wears off and feels like you've been shooting clays with your 12ga for too long.:D I would recommend the Puma to anyone looking for a lever in pistol caliber.

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