NBC AR15 Piece Using Oleg's Photos


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Zedicus
January 23, 2008, 05:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7dy7JbsX8&feature=related

Did they get permission?:scrutiny:

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novaDAK
January 23, 2008, 05:42 AM
Seen that one before...so many things wrong with it.

mr hanky
January 23, 2008, 05:52 AM
Oleg, I think maybe a lawsuit to enlarge your collection eh? They used not one, but TWO pieces of your hard work. *rant off*.

ScottsGT
January 23, 2008, 08:48 AM
Aside from ripping off Oleg, it is a pretty good piece that shows your average hard working American enjoying a firearm, or should I say, an evil black rifle. They could have thrown some Bubba with 4 teeth and dressed like Larry the Cable Guy up on screen. I honestly believe that this might lead to other hard working Americans picking up the sport.

atblis
January 23, 2008, 09:54 AM
Where did they find that lady at? Not that she said anything unreasonable, just that she comes across as a little too....enthusiastic.

4v50 Gary
January 23, 2008, 10:02 AM
It's amazingly balanced for the mainstream media. I expected something more rabidly anti-gun. Certainly there was a speaker from the Rand Institute, but they also featured a woman shooter who was intelligent and articulated some good points; namely, why should she be punished because of the criminal misuse of others?

Anyone else notice the left handed Stag upper?

obiwan1
January 23, 2008, 11:18 AM
It's a good thing that I don't have a pistol grip on any of my rifles - that way I can't shoot from the hip (I'm picturing the lead in to the old series "the Rifleman" in my mind....) :what:

pbearperry
January 23, 2008, 11:38 AM
Maybe we are missing out on something here?I bet if we painted them all brown,the loonies in DC would be OK with them.It's the color of them that makes them scared.

ieszu
January 23, 2008, 11:43 AM
Isn't Pink the new Black???? :)

Gunnerpalace
January 23, 2008, 11:44 AM
I am getting sick of "high-capacity 30 rounds", its standard capacity.

Legionnaire
January 23, 2008, 11:51 AM
I thought this was a fairly positive piece. Yeah, there are the regular pot shots from the antis, but this showed the pro side in a fairly positive light. As for ripping off Oleg, his images were used to support the "news" in reference to the many who advocate the purchase of black rifles for self defense. Again, that looks like a positive association rather than a "rip off." Good coverage overall, IMHO.

bluestarlizzard
January 23, 2008, 01:28 PM
i wouldn't say its good coverage. Black Rifles? it seemed to be a little more subversive then other news reports. and the reporter sure didn't take the time to find out the correct use of a pistol grip or the fact that a 30 rd mag is standerd not high cap. i got the vibe that us poor misguided gunnies are not bad people, just misguided and selfish.
to me thats more insulting that just outright lies.

silverlance
January 23, 2008, 02:00 PM
that just reminds me... i have actually never shot from the hip! seriously, in over a decade ive never once shot from the hip. PG or no pg. i ought to try.

I think any publicity is good publicity. Hey, OV, I wonder what would happen if you sent one of your pieces to NBC? as in a poster tube? hm.

when i go on vacation in march, i'm going to start posting up pro-gun posters all over town. i just need to read up on the laws about public posting.

Rokyudai
January 23, 2008, 02:23 PM
I thought she did a fine job. It's not easy to be featured in a news report knowing that the implications of what you say is likely going to be edited and scrutinized by the public. If she came off any other way besides enthusiastic,articulate, and assertive, she would probably have been labeled "some gun toting hick". I know some may take offense to that term. Others, I know are quite happy to have that label!

Kind of Blued
January 23, 2008, 02:31 PM
I am amazed at how much ignorance someone can pack into 2:18 worth of video. I guess it takes a professional reporter to know exactly how to do so.

It just makes you wonder why people get into the profession in the first place. I always thought news was meant to inform, and the only reason I would ever get into the field is to satiate a thirst for knowledge via first hand experience.

Then again, the truth isn't very lucrative.

GuyWithQuestions
January 23, 2008, 02:35 PM
"Holds 30 bullets", don't they mean "rounds"? I thought that a bullet is just a part of the catridge and firearm's don't only hold the bullet but hold the rest of the catridge like powder, etc.

BobbyQuickdraw
January 23, 2008, 02:39 PM
They say "fire from the hip" like its something you want to do. Guess what? Anyone here could fire any gun they wanted from the hip. Pistol grip or not. But we know you're not going to hit anything more than 7 yards out, so its useless.

And "Black Rifle" is a derogatory, in my mind. That'd be like calling SUVs "Hearses" or something. They're clearly trying to associate the rifles with bad.

Nothing makes me want to buy one more than the news butchering and assaulting my favorite past time - shooting.

jonboynumba1
January 23, 2008, 02:45 PM
Good woman and good shooting...that is the American way. I think in the end all this piece will do is make liberals whine and wet their diapers some more and sell a LOT more rifles at the end of the day. Which is good...the gun industry is one of the few truly growing and productive industires in the US these days. A little free publicity goes a long way. Here's an educated well spoken woman feeling empowered by excercising her constitutional right and becoming a good operator with a weapon. She does this for fun and because she chooses to and finds it rewarding. She also knows if push ever came to shove she's got a rather large advantage over a few hoods with an attitude be they gansta punks with loricins or...well anyone else (never argue with a woman with an AR15!)

That is what the second amendment is all about...nothing to do with hunting rifles....everything to do with military firepower in the hands of free and loyal citizens. That's why it scares liberals...they aren't beholdent to anyone else to protect them from "the boogie man" that's why you don't hear of car-jackings in my neck of the woods...aprox half the county has CC permits and nearly everyone has firearms in their homes. Yup some get stolen in burglaries... yet amazing how little violent crime and gun crime we have here VS. up North where I grew up with next to no legal guns in the hands of citizens. It's not rocket science...if you break into a home in AL. there is a good chance you will get shot at on the way in or on the way out and/or arrested. If you try to carjack someone in Colbert County you have about a 50% chance it will be a car with a CCW holder driving or in the vehicle....hhhmmmm.... I Wonder why people don't jack cars down here? :what:

I don't want to be protected by a police state...I shoot better than their officers and have more common sense than about half of the ones I know. Plus if I ever need help...I'm pretty sure "I'll be there" ...I guess being a free citizen is empowering. The smart lady is right...I personaly couldn't pull off a pink top at the shooting range...so she's got me there to! -LOL :neener:

Cannonball888
January 23, 2008, 02:48 PM
I don't shoot from the hip. I guess I need to trade my pistol grip in for one of those ********** AR stock monstrosities :rolleyes:

chris in va
January 23, 2008, 02:56 PM
I am amazed at how much ignorance someone can pack into 2:18 worth of video

Actually, I get the impression they know exactly what spin they're working. Take the rounds vs 'bullets' thing. Which sounds more 'evil' to the general public? The pistol grip comment too. Then they interview an obviously over the top gun owner, which again...looks scary to the general public. Now if they had a more toned down individual driving a Honda Odyssey with 3 kids in the back, I might have been more impressed.

Don't be fooled, it was definitely meant to put AR's in a bad light.

sacp81170a
January 23, 2008, 03:03 PM
I don't shoot from the hip

I teach people to shoot from "low retention" all the time, and it still isn't from the hip. It's more like just above your holster. Also, I have shot an AR from the hip, and the pistol grip sucks for ergonomics while doing so. A straight stock like a shotgun is far easier and more comfortable to "shoot from the hip". A pistol grip allowing you to "shoot from the hip" more easily is another lie spun from whole cloth by the gun banners. Try it sometime and you'll see what I mean.

Rokyudai
January 23, 2008, 03:04 PM
Nah Bobby, SUV's are Suburban U'ssult Vehicles!

Zundfolge
January 23, 2008, 03:10 PM
Actually I was amazed how balanced it was ... even at the end where they didn't blame the NRA for standing in the way of the "will of the people" blocking an AWB, but the fact that it is INDEED the will of the people that is blocking a new AWB.

I do find it annoying that they keep elevating the VPC to something other than a political pressure group.

But overall, you can see how the winds of change have blown in the US.

NG VI
January 23, 2008, 03:49 PM
ive only ever fired a shotgun from down low like that, except once with my usp. it sucks but with the shotgun it was actually more comfortable to shoot than the shoulder. what does hip-shooting mean anyway? sometimes i wonder if antis have ever even fired a bb gun

Master Blaster
January 23, 2008, 03:51 PM
Deja Vu, Is it 2006 all over again?

I thought I saw this piece in late 2006 or am I mistaken??

El Tejon
January 23, 2008, 03:55 PM
The D.C. Snipers?:rolleyes:

For the record, the D.C. snipers used a Sarah Brady-approved rifle (not the config of the featured rifle it was a weapon manufactured during the AWB).

By concentrating on cosmetics, the antis set themselves up for failure. Keep it up, Helmke!:)

Zundfolge
January 23, 2008, 03:59 PM
For the record, the D.C. snipers used a Sarah Brady-approved rifle
In addition they only shot single shots so they could have used a Thompson-Center single shot rifle or bolt action and done the same damn thing. :rolleyes:

So if I make an illegal left turn in a Ferrari am I more of a threat to society than if I make an illegal left turn in my Intrepid?

Justin
January 23, 2008, 04:08 PM
Did they get permission?


News organizations don't need to get permission to use material relevant to the story.
This is an old story, and has been posted before.
I shot with Deb at Rocky Mountain 3 Gun in New Mexico a couple of years ago. She's good people.

HonorsDaddy
January 23, 2008, 04:19 PM
At least they're not calling them "assault weapons". Note the repeated use of the term "black rifles".

tmajors
January 23, 2008, 04:21 PM
Pistol grip so you can fire from the hip?

Maybe it's just me but I think my SKS that doesn't have a pistol grip is easier to fire from the hip then the AR-15 that does.

TX1911fan
January 23, 2008, 04:42 PM
We do call them black rifles, so what is the problem? At least they didn't call them Evil Black Rifles, like many posters on this board do.

I thought the piece was pretty good, except for the firing from the hip thing and the DC sniper piece. Those were just stupid, and showed the ignorance of the reporter and producer.

geekWithA.45
January 23, 2008, 05:49 PM
Aside from perpetuating the myth that Black Rifles suddenly came onto the market -since- the expiration of the AWB, that was surprisingly non hostile coming from the MSM.

A lot of us would have FAINTED had we seen coverage this non hostile years back.


The press has chosen sides, and it's not ours, but events like this are evidence that the press is slowly ceasing hostilities against us.

Stump Water
January 23, 2008, 06:15 PM
Actually, I get the impression they know exactly what spin they're working. Take the rounds vs 'bullets' thing. Which sounds more 'evil' to the general public? The pistol grip comment too. Then they interview an obviously over the top gun owner, which again...looks scary to the general public. Now if they had a more toned down individual driving a Honda Odyssey with 3 kids in the back, I might have been more impressed.

Don't be fooled, it was definitely meant to put AR's in a bad light.

I agree with this assessment. It's negative from the "assault rifle" in the intro, to the woman saying that shooting made her feel "empowered", to the implication that the DC shootings wouldn't have happened w/o a "black rifle", to the statement that, "these rifles would already be banned except for people like Deb F."

USAFNoDAk
January 23, 2008, 06:46 PM
They say "fire from the hip" like its something you want to do. Guess what? Anyone here could fire any gun they wanted from the hip. Pistol grip or not. But we know you're not going to hit anything more than 7 yards out, so its useless.


Firing from the hip might work to some extent with a full auto battle rifle like the M16, but when you can only fire one round per trigger pull, shooting from the hip is more like playing 52 pickup sticks with your butt cheeks. I'd like to challenge one of these "shoot from the hip" reporters to a live fire combat duel with airsoft guns.

They can be armed with a "Black Rifle" outfitted to shoot airsoft pellets, semi auto only. I'll be armed with a semiauto style handgun outfitted to shoot airsoft pellets. The only rule will be that they must shoot from the hip only, while I can aim and fire. Who do you think would have the better chance of winning?

USAFNoDAk
January 23, 2008, 06:53 PM
I don't think it was as badly biased as other reports I've seen, such as discussing evil black semiauto rifles and then showing guys shooting the same "style" of rifle on full auto. That's deliberately misleading to the misinformed sheeple out there. At least now they are just trying to use "scary" words and phrases to fool people, such as "black rifles" and "shoot from the hip". They may have decided that they can no longer outright distort the truth, so they have resigned themselves to be a little more "stealthy" in misrepresenting the truth, and not telling the whole truth.

I still don't trust the media. They want assault weapons, excuse me, "black rifles", banned. They'll do what they can get away with to accomplish that goal. However, it looks as if they have been convinced that they can no longer get away with such blatant lies as they once did. That is a positive sign, but not a transitional sign. In other words, they have not transitioned over to the side of gun owners' rights. They are just being more sneaky in their attempts to limit and infringe upon those rights.

HK G3
January 23, 2008, 06:57 PM
Did anyone else think that the lady in pink bore a scary resemblance to Hillary Clinton (in mannerisms/look, not ideology)?

At any rate, that lady came across as non-threatening, but still somewhat crazy. The anti's representative was much more composed, and professional-seeming, if you just watch her mannerisms and expressions, and ignore the fact that she is spewing a bunch of misinformation. To someone who doesn't know any better, who are they going to believe? It's an unfortunate and all-too common juxtaposition in the media today...

ilbob
January 23, 2008, 07:12 PM
I thought it was pretty balanced. Most reporters know almost nothing about what they report and the producers and writers that actually gather the facts usually know about the same amount.

To appear credible, they can't say that in their reports. They tend to take sides in virtually every story, sometimes just because of which press release they copy from the most.

Look at virtually every crime story. They virtually always all but quote verbatim from the police PR releases, with little or no checking to verify the police statements are true. Look at most business stories. They sometimes lift whole phrases right out of press releases, again with little fact checking.

I like the black rifle idiom. It tells a lot of the real story about these kind of rifles - that cosmetic features are the main difference. We need to get that across.

And yes, the shooter was not made up properly for TV. You have to understand that makeup is a critical part of the TV business. The camera makes you look odd if you are not made up properly. Its not because they are sissies that male anchors and politicians wear makeup. If they don't, they will just not look right on camera. They may be sissies anyway, but the makeup is necessary to look normal on camera.

geophysicishooter
January 23, 2008, 07:57 PM
I don't know a bunch of people that are AR owners but I can say that I've gone to guns shows my whole life and I've NEVER heard anyone refer to an AR as a "black rifle". I've heard plenty of people talk about AR's or black powder rifles but never have I heard anyone talk about their "black rifle". Clearly, the use of the phrase is intended to impune the legitimacy of owning such "cop killers".

Although, in a self defense situation, I'll put my $300 870 wingmaster up against your AR anyday of the week and twice on sunday. But I'd still like to have an AR though.

fearless leader
January 23, 2008, 08:15 PM
It seems to be a balanced article, but I don't trust anything about guns that comes from NBC. Remember, a few years back, the President either of NBC, or NBC news vowed to do all in his power to bring about the banning of guns in America.

If it's from NBC and sounds like it's good for us, it has probably been hand picked for it's misleading psycological value to serve a higher calling in their anti-gun agenda.

I wonder if they realize that common citizens, playing with EBRs, finding variations and improvements to them, have made them the battle field proven rifles of today, saving soldiers lives, and sending our enemies to the infernal regions.:evil:

If B&B Pawn didn't have 2 EBRs on the day of the Hollywood bank robbery, what would have happened? Fortunately they were available for police to commandeer. Had the Brady Bunch had their way, only the bad guys would have had assault weapons.

The Brady Bunch spewing all of their venom about "cop killer bullets" already made Armor Piercing (AP) so taboo that none of the officers facing the Hollywood robbers (who were fully armored, head to toe) had them; an irony for certain, because police are supposed to be the ones to carry AP or KTW ammo.

Atticus
January 23, 2008, 08:18 PM
Gotta love the comment about people buying these "since the assault weapons ban was lifted". 1) The ban did more to popularize AR15 ownership than anything thing else. and 2) The rifles themselves were never banned anyway.
Funny stuff. Have another Twinkie Lisa.

fearless leader
January 23, 2008, 08:42 PM
Quote:Although, in a self defense situation, I'll put my $300 870 wingmaster up against your AR anyday of the week and twice on sunday. But I'd still like to have an AR though.

Ok, range 250 meters. Do you want the north or south end of the field?:neener:

Seriously though, no gun is perfect for all occaisions, or all shooters. Shotguns are great for inside of 75 meters (and yes, I realize that some highly talented individuals can perform wonders at over 100 meters with a single projectile from a shotgun), but I find my M-1A and AR easier to shoot and make consistant hits past that.

I've personally never fired my Mossy 590 beyond 75 meters, but it is surprisingly accurate with a Federal 50 cal Sabot Slug at that range, while my AR has turned in half inch groups at 100 meters.

What is evil about an accurate rifle? Wasn't it the "spray and pray" technique the antis claim to dislike?

The anti-gun left complained about "cheap, inaccurate guns" calling and now we use high priced, high performance hardware, they still complain. There is simply no pleasing them. :banghead: I refuse to paint my guns pink!!!!:D

sacp81170a
January 23, 2008, 10:51 PM
"Black rifles", "black helicopters", "black ops". Sounds more sinister, doncha know. I prefer the term "rifles of color". :neener:

catfish101
January 23, 2008, 11:36 PM
From the hip.?.? A pistol grip like that isn't comfortable to shot from the hip....

Oh, but I am not a limp wristed......


I feel the same way obiwan1. My 30/30 doesn't have a pistol grip so I can't be like Chuck Conners.

Thefabulousfink
January 24, 2008, 12:34 AM
The ability to shoot from the will make out streets run red with blood!

This modern technology will give criminals the edge over the police:what:

We should only allow safe, non hip-shooting guns......
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geophysicishooter
January 24, 2008, 02:04 AM
Just occured to me. isn't it a little insensitive to call them "black" rifles?

Would they not prefer to be refered to as "African-American" Rifles?

Big Boomer
January 24, 2008, 03:19 AM
WOW, and my pistols have er um "pistol grips" :uhoh:

I guess I can shoot them from the hip too! Perhaps I can turn them sideways too so it'll be a ganger style pistol grip, I have heard this makes them more accurate :rolleyes:

silverlance
January 24, 2008, 03:30 AM
oh, I almost forgot. yes, I did *gasp* shoot from the hip once. my benelli m1 super 90. reduced recoil federal tactical 00 buck. pistol gripped stock. thousand dollar gun.

fired all six rounds. rapid fire. blew the target away at 7 yards. completely obliterated it. awesome.

and right after i put the gun down i started hopping all over the range, trying to shake feeling back into my hand and cussing up a storm.

it is MUCH easier to shoot a "monte carlo" stocked gun from the hip than a pistol grippped gun.

the only real advantage of a PG imho is that you can have it at the ready while opening doors much more easily, and that its harder to lose a grip on. but there are also major disadvantages, like when you are trying to fire from prone and when you need to roll over on the ground.

not to mention that they take up all this room in the safe =(

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