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Blarelli
January 24, 2008, 12:35 AM
What are the high capacity magazine options for a saiga .223? And what kind of alterations would I have to do to get it to work?

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357fan
January 24, 2008, 12:43 AM
Well, Surefire makes mags that will work with no problems in an unmodified saiga. The trouble comes from 922r compliance, this murky little section of law covers imported firearms and what features they can have.

It comes down to this, and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong:

The Saiga 223 has 14 countable parts according to 922r, and in order to legally use standard capacity mags you can have no more than 10 imported parts. That's the bad news. Here's the good news, the surefire mags count as 3 US parts, so change out the handguard and you're good to go.

I would suggest going over to http://forum.saiga-12.com/

The good folks there can fill you on the rest of the details.

nalioth
January 24, 2008, 01:44 AM
Please be careful if you buy Surefire mags. They used to sell rewelded German magazines that did not count as US parts.

To my knowledge, they've only released their new all-USA models in 7.62x39 and .308

Modified Galil poly mags are an option (no mods to rifle)

If you modify the mag catch on the rifle, (or your magazines, if you don't have many) you can use any european AK mags for .223, or AK74 mags with modified followers.

You can also use Pro-Mags, with modification.

I prefer to have all the compliance parts in the rifle, so I can use whatever type of magazine I can get the cheapest.

silverlance
January 24, 2008, 02:19 AM
the unfortunate thing here is that the saiga handguard is actually quite good. it's the stock that is a total POS reminescent of fisher-price. you'd think they could have redesigned the rear trunnion to accommodate a nicer stock.. nope.

MD_Willington
January 24, 2008, 09:54 AM
fill the stock with latex caulking or foam...

or buy a replacement from BattleRifleG3

or

RAA is saying they will import wood furniture sets soon.

I kept my front hand guard BTW... like the look of it.

SSN Vet
January 24, 2008, 10:09 AM
you really want to convert that Saiga, don't you? :D

it's SO easy to do, given even a modest dose of mechanical ability.

lot's of guys doing it with a cordless drill.

and the Tapco G2 (three countable parts) is quite a nice trigger, imho.

field strip your receiver and take a good look at the bottom from the inside to see if the PG nut hole and Trigger hole/slot are already stamped into the sheet metal. If they are, the conversion will be a breeze!

Tapco has a new poly stock (part #4) for $30 or you can spend a little more for the KVAR (~$45). I put the NATO length KVAR on my x39 and it's just right for a 6' guy with a 34" shirt sleave.

Just make sure your PG is made in USA, as it will add a coutable part and shouldn't be import.

If you want to dress up the factory hand guard, you can mill slots into the sides and bottom, or send it to the guy on the Saiga-12 boards to do it for you. Then you'll have a very nice looking and unique AK.....dressed appropriately in black:p

switching to std. AK handgaurd will require fooling around with gas tube as the heat shield is different. Tapco makes a Galil handgaurd that's fitted w/ attachment hardware especially for Saiga's, but they aren't cheap.

you will be very happy with your converted Saiga..

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