New AZ Poll--Should teachers carry


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Jaws48
January 24, 2008, 08:14 AM
Please hit the poll asking if AZ teachers should be allowed to carry in the classroom...poll question is near bottom center of the web site.

Thanks. Recommend copy and paste into browser.

http://www.kpho.com/index.html

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armoredman
January 24, 2008, 10:23 AM
A co workers wife called him last night about this question. He and she were freaked out by the whole idea, until I explained how well it DOES work in some areas, and how it should be utilized. he looked very thoughtful, and said he would discuss it with his wife later last night.
I await this bills' introduction. However, our Governor, a lifelong Democrat, affirmed Obama supporter, as well as a former teacher, will nuke this one even if it passes both sides.

jrfoxx
January 24, 2008, 12:58 PM
Do you think Valley teachers should be allowed to carry guns at school for their own safety?
Choice Votes Percentage of 438 Votes
Yes 234 53%
No 196 45%
I don't know. 8 2%

romma
January 24, 2008, 01:21 PM
Man, you would think AZ would be more for it!

-terry
January 24, 2008, 01:26 PM
54% Yes
44% No

Zoogster
January 24, 2008, 01:29 PM
Man, you would think AZ would be more for it!

AZ is populated by a lot of CA transplants, and its pro gun sentiment will be reduced as time goes on.
It is also populated by a lot of hispanics which tend to support democrats, and democrat candidates more often than not lean towards gun control and restrictions. In the long term that leads to less support of gun ownership overall because it is no longer just a normal thing, but a heavily restricted/demonized object.

Most of AZ population growth is from those two demographics.

That said there is a big difference between "Should teachers carry" as the title of the thread implies and "should be allowed to carry". One sounds like a new job requirement, and the other an option for those choosing to do so.
I support the option, but not mandated carrying.

NG VI
January 24, 2008, 01:30 PM
it doesn't help that polls like these are usually worded in such a way that it almost reads like all adults entering a school will now be carrying. really the percentage of adults who would carry in would be no higher than the previous number of adiults who carry in public.

sixgunner455
January 24, 2008, 01:32 PM
Nobody in AZ is allowed to carry at schools except police officers. Teachers/Parents/Principals/kids -- everyone is at the "mercy" of the psychos. I like AZ a lot, but this is one of the carry issues that bugs me. If the teachers were allowed to, that would require a major change to the laws, and would probably include allowing anybody w/a permit to carry there. I would support that change.

Zoogster
January 24, 2008, 01:39 PM
it doesn't help that polls like these are usually worded in such a way that it almost reads like all adults entering a school will now be carrying. really the percentage of adults who would carry in would be no higher than the previous number of adiults who carry in public.
That is the problem with the question in polls and in the media most of the time. They make it sound like all teachers, or all college students or all citizens would suddenly be carrying. The reality is only those who already do would be carrying which is a very small percentage of the population.

If people realized the same people that currently carry in the movie theatre and the restraunts they eat in would simply also be allowed to carry in other places it wouldn't sound like sucha big deal.
That however makes a poor soundbyte. Polls or news announcments that sound extreme peak people's interests. People are attracted to drama and the media creates drama to gain ratings rather than report accurate facts.

It is like when they try to pass legislation to carry in colleges which I have seen a few of since Cho. They either make it sound like suddenly all students would carry, or all students over 21 would carry. By the time they get into the details people have already arrived at thier emotional reaction/decision to the thought of suddenly everyone carrying.

The same happens with teachers. They think they are deciding whether every single teacher will be walking around armed, and don't realize it would just add a few armed people to a campus who could defend thier children if necessary, and not turn all teachers into law enforcement.

sacp81170a
January 24, 2008, 01:49 PM
Went to www.vpc.org , pasted in the link to the poll, then went and voted yes. Should look interesting their site admin. :evil:

Zoogster
January 24, 2008, 01:57 PM
Went to www.vpc.org , pasted in the link to the poll, then went and voted yes. Should look interesting their site admin.
Scouting for and motivating the VPC Brady bunch etc by teasing them is probably not the best way to win hearts and minds. You are not going to change thier minds.

In fact it would be better if they thought more people believed exactly as they do because then they would slip up and make more extreme statments. Knowing many sorta, kinda, support firearm rights just makes them focus on being more subtle in thier efforts tricking more people by sounding mainstream.

You want to let them make statements like:

We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . [W]e'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.

or
Clinton:
"I don’t think the American people are there right now. But with more than 200 million guns in circulation, we’ve got so much more to do on this issue before we even reach that. I don’t think that’s an option now. But there are certain kinds of guns that can be banned and a lot of other reasonable regulations that can be imposed." (When asked of the possibility of a federal law banning handguns, interview in Rolling Stone magazine, 9 Dec 93, pg. 45)


Or Diane Fienstien "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them… ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it."
or "To me, the only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes." — Sarah Brady, Tampa Tribune, Oct 21, 1993

or "The national guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the 2nd amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves" Diane FeinsteinLet them think lots of people feel the way they do, don't show them they need to be more subtle.
Or as Napoleon put it:
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”

grimjaw
January 24, 2008, 02:02 PM
Considering that in some areas, the classes are more like prisons (to include hardened criminals), I'm a little leery, but I think it should be allowed.

jm

Quiet
January 24, 2008, 04:58 PM
Currently...

Yes = 402 / 55%
No = 321 / 44%
I don't know = 12 / 2%

RKBABob
January 24, 2008, 05:18 PM
Yes - 413, 54%
No - 333, 44%
What was the question? - 12, 2%

GBExpat
January 24, 2008, 05:18 PM
Link C&Ped and Poll HIT ...

Vern Humphrey
January 24, 2008, 05:28 PM
It sure works in Israel. Israeli teachers have been armed since the massacre of school children at Ma'alot, decades ago.

Personally, I think if the state requires us to turn our children over to the teachers, we have a right to expect the teachers to protect and defend our children as vigorously as we would, ourselves.

HarryB
January 24, 2008, 10:03 PM
Not a chance of our governor signing it. The Legislature sent her a bill allowing legal CCW in restaurants that serve alcohol. She vetoed it. She'll do it again.

Even if it did pass, I would expect most districts to forbid it.

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