Question about $95 surplus 7.62x54s at Gander


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ImARugerFan
January 24, 2008, 10:21 AM
I've never owned a military style rifle, but they've been selling these russian 7.62x54 rifles at gander for $95. They are bolts and have a flip up sight. Any opinions on these things? Are they fun plinkers, or complete junk? Thanks.

Edit: I believe they are M44s from looking at pics online.

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41magsnub
January 24, 2008, 10:23 AM
Search Mosin Nagant on this forum... there are approximately 2 threads a day it seems. Pretty much everything you would ever want to know about them is mentioned in them.

FieroCDSP
January 24, 2008, 10:39 AM
Mosins are great. The 91/30's (long barrels) are the more accurate, but the M44's are the loudest. You can feel a concussion wave come off the things if you're anywhere to the sides of the shooter.

There are a few things to look for on a Mosin.
First, the state of the rifling. Take a bore-light, or a flashlight, and check to see how deep the rifling is. It's possible to get one that's completely shot out. Century ususally makes an effort to prevent this, but it still happens.

Second, the frosting inside the barrel. These rifles were used with corrosive ammo, and if they weren't cleaned properly, there can be heavy pitting and frosting in the lands. If you have the option of searching through a few, check them all and take the best looking one.

Third, the reciever. I picked up one for $59 that had little pitting, strong rifling, but the reciever looks like it was blued by a 2 year old. So long as it's functionally sound, a good shooter can look like crap and be okay for me. Some people are into collecting them, so they obviously want the best, but you're not going to get one for under a hundred without some luck.

Matching numbers. I try to find one with matching numbers, if not on all of the parts, then on most. As massed produced as these things were, there's plenty of parts that'll fit every gun, but sometimes you run into an issue with mismatched parts not fitting perfectly together. Realize these guns were produced up through WWII, and sometimes with "Ze Germans" pounding on the front gate. Time was of the essence, and in mass production, rushing a product means inconsistancy between lots. So long as the bolt and reciever have matching numbers, you'll be okay. All matching numbers are nice to have, but hard to find, as a lot of these things came out of storage in bad or worse state.

ImARugerFan
January 24, 2008, 10:39 AM
Yeah, you're right... I guess I didn't realize it was a M44 when I typed up the post until I went looking for pictures to identify it. I think I'll pass on buying one for now.

FieroCDSP
January 24, 2008, 10:41 AM
Oh, and yes they are fun to shoot. Only sissies use a recoil pad, though. :D

ImARugerFan
January 24, 2008, 03:29 PM
Thanks for the tips FieroCDSP. I'll go take a look at what they have again. They used to have a lot on the shelf, but I think only 1 left.

rcmodel
January 24, 2008, 03:42 PM
Be sure and check for any rifling at the muzzle.

Some of them had so much cleaning rod muzzle wear, the Russians counter-bored them oversize for an inch or so to get back into the fresher rifling.

It is in effect, a shorter rifled barrel, with a very deep muzzle crown now.

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nathan
January 24, 2008, 04:07 PM
Great all around gun, kind of heavy but packs a punch. AMmo on this is getting expensive but still a good buy . It is use by Russian hunters (Kamchatka Peninsula) to hunt grizzlies so it speaks for its effectiveness to put down heavy critters.

toivo
January 24, 2008, 09:59 PM
My local Gander Mountain has M44's and 91/30's, but they want $149 for them. If they were $95 I'd have one already. It's the "under a hundred" rule for buying guns: If it's under $100, you don't have to justify it!

ROMAK IV
January 24, 2008, 10:16 PM
If you look carefully, you might find one with a new barrel, like my M-44. The bore looks finely polished and you can see the corners of the rifling. The crown was immaculate and definantly not counterbored. On top of that, the stock was nice and the trigger is excellent. I would point out that often, on Moison Nagants with horrible triggers, the problem is often loose trigger guard screws. Anyway, I shimmed the action and floated the barrel, and the M-44 is a really accurate rifle.

kurtmax
January 24, 2008, 10:29 PM
I wish the stores around here would sell M44s and reasonable prices. The cheapest M44s are ~300usd. It's insane! When I was visiting Tennessee over the holiday I went to the Gander Mountain near Knoxville hoping to find one of these 90usd mosins. Nope... Around 160-170.

Where do people find these cheap rifles??! I guess I'll just have to wait until I get my C&R and just order one...

Bartkowski
January 24, 2008, 10:29 PM
If there are any gun shows around you, you will be able to find a lot of m44's, 91/30's, and probably some m38's all for under $100.

I recently picked up a 91/30 with ammo pouch, bayonet, cleaning kit/tools, for $70. The rifling is in great condition and all of the serial numbers I see on it match.

Diggers
January 25, 2008, 03:57 AM
kurtmax,

If these guns are that much around you, look online. There are lots of people tht sell them for under 100.

K3
January 25, 2008, 09:59 AM
I bring a set of headspace gauges with me when I go looking for a 'new' Mosin. Something to think about.

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