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AHMiller1776
January 27, 2008, 06:32 AM
Do you REALLY care about your gun rights?

Do you care enough to get involved at the grassroots level?

If you really care, then join us and help Ron Paul win the primary.

If not, you really don't have the right to complain. It's that simple.


Get involved. Please. We need as many boots on the ground as possible over the next 2 weeks and onwards to the convention.


visit .... http://ronpaul.meetup.com/ ... to find your local group.


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FPrice
January 27, 2008, 07:28 AM
This seems to be typical of the "Paulites" attitude and approach. Is it any wonder they probably turn off more people than they attract?

erictank
January 27, 2008, 09:25 AM
I hope that, for consistency's sake, you take the same tone with those here and elsewhere who claim that a vote for anyone but whichever person ends up with an (R) beside their name this November (even if it's Giuliani!) will inevitably result in the End Of American Society, and that not voting for Candidate (R) loses us any right to complain about President (D)'s abuses later. After all, if it's wrong for one group (and it is), it's wrong for all.

Personally, I'm getting a little sick and tired of hearing people flame me and those like me for daring to vote for and support the candidate we think is RIGHT for the country, rather than for one whose best claim to office is that he's not QUITE as bad as Candidate (D). I kinda thought that was what the whole voting process was supposed to be about, myself...

AHMiller1776
January 29, 2008, 05:33 AM
"This seems to be typical of the "Paulites" attitude and approach. Is it any wonder they probably turn off more people than they attract?"


You've gotta be kidding me? You think that was harsh? Wait until the dollar collapses... then you'll see harsh.

It's coming. Bank it.

3rdpig
January 30, 2008, 02:21 AM
I've heard a little too much "If you don't support Dr. Paul then you must hate the Constitution" or, "If you don't support Dr. Paul then you must hate freedom" argument, to care to be associated with those types, or the type who drives the vehicle pictured below.



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bogie
January 30, 2008, 02:36 AM
Hey, thanks... I like some of those stickers...

The Ron Paul folks... Well, some of them are a little... strident...

No chance, but generally good platform.

kungfuhippie
January 30, 2008, 02:37 AM
If you really care, then join us and help Ron Paul win the primary.

I hope that Ron Paul now will have the sense to give up. Along with Huckabee and anyone else who has had the 15 minutes of fame. At least Guiliani realized that he hasn't got a chance of winning now.

No that I'm thrilled with who the two hopefuls now are. But really of the two republican choices left I see one as much worse than the other but both much better that Hillbama.

Bendutro
January 30, 2008, 02:39 AM
3rdpig

Thanks for the constructive, well thought out reply. A false association premise is great to argue from isn't it?

Who cares if the signature on the next AWB is an (R) or a (D)?
Dr. Paul isn't without his flaws, but thankfully a lack of respect for the Constitution and Bill of Rights isn't one of them.

mattw
January 30, 2008, 02:46 AM
I remember two years ago anyone who said Ron Paul was not the best choice was pretty much burned alive here on THR. Glad to see things have changed.

With Duncan Hunter out of the race I think I'd like Huckabee to win the primary. Ron Paul is too much of a nut-job isolationist for my tastes. You can't just pick your candidate on one issue (2A). There is still one Pro-2A, no compromise, candidate that it NOT bat-**** crazy and thats Mike Huckabee.

Check out http://www.issues2000.org

Check out some wacko crap that Ron Paul did and tell me he still makes sense as the best over all candidate:

# Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
# Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
# Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
#We don't need any troops abroad--they don't help our defense. (Dec 2007)
# 9/11 resulted from blasphemy of our bases in Saudi Arabia. (Dec 2007)
# Suicide terrorism stops when we stop intervening abroad. (Dec 2007)
# In wartime, people willing to sacrifice liberty for security. (Dec 2007)

He may be crazy but, you've got to admire his honesty and enthusiasm.

JCT
January 30, 2008, 02:56 AM
Personally, I think the nut jobs are the ones making up their minds without all the facts. Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He's the strongest supporter of the constitution period! He's got the cleanest record, integrity and knows how the economy works better than....anyone! I'm sick of posting links and trying to convince those who can't put the time and research in on their own. Just re evaluate your pre conceived thoughts on Ron Paul. He really is what this country needs at this time.

mattw
January 30, 2008, 03:03 AM
So what the country needs is to be out of Iraq tomorrow and abandon all our foreign military bases and only use military force once we've been attacked?

Lets use some logic here. Ron Paul thinks that preemptive strikes are wrong and that the US should only act militarily when it has been attacked like in the case of Pearl Harbor (which during the time he would probably have argued was due to the US war profiteering by aiding the Brits). That would be the equivalent of not using your concealed handgun to kill someone until they fired at/stabbed you first.

JCT
January 30, 2008, 03:04 AM
Also consider that McCain stands no chance against Hillary. People want an anti-war..which by the way is Pro Peace. President. McCain won't win come November.
Ron Paul vs. Hillary, GOP has a great chance, our economy will flourish, more freedom, more liberty, less crime, more jobs, less taxes, more valuable dollar, more border and internal security, less terrorism threat....
Hmmm McCain... more war, depression, less jobs, a draft, WWIII another civil war, total economic and social chaos, leading to China invading and no more America. Far fetched? I don't want to find out.

JCT
January 30, 2008, 03:09 AM
They don't kill us for sport... There are reasons, whatever they may be..No one seems to want to even find out what they are. Even Osama was once an American friend, was trained by us. We installed the Shah in Iran 1953, overthrew their gov. We've been bombing these middle east countries for 20 years! From their perspective, we're the terrorists! Americans in general have been fead propaganda and fear tactics and are told "you're not patriotic unless you support the war and buy a yellow sticker..." it's sick. I'd rather the 3000 soldiers be alive and our borders be secure, but that's me, a weird Ron Paul supporter.
Ron isn't inherently anti war, he's pro peace and will use war when needed if pursued legally and passed by congress! He's not an isolationist, he's for more trade, more allies, more travel, but less meddling and getting in the way! As gun owners we should know that already, the gov screws up all that it gets it's hands on, whether domestic or foreign.
Besides.....all arguments of policy aside, war and economy aren't separate issues. We need to choose. Continue the war and enter recession/depression or focus on rebuilding America for once and showing the world how great we can be by examples of social, moral and economical excellence.

mattw
January 30, 2008, 03:17 AM
They (try to) kill us because they want to advance global domination of Islam. Its been that way for thousands of years and before they could come to the US, they killed each other.

And who said anything about McCain? He is just as bad as Hillary on immigration and domestic policy.

America wants someone who will do whats right in Iraq so it doesn't come back to bite us in the ass, not someone who will yank the military out of Iraq every strategic base we have.

Take the Ron Paul blinders off, he doesn't stand a chance. He is the Republican equivalent of Dennis Kucinich.

JCT
January 30, 2008, 03:24 AM
I thought you must be McCain supporter? Were you a Giuliani supporter? I'd think not since we like firearms.
That leaves Huckabee. I mostly like Huckabee, he's my 2nd choice, which doesn't matter, I'll be writing in Paul if needed. I think he will run 3rd party if needed, he can't state that now or they're write him off and exclude him from debates.
Huckabee is recently taking Paul's ideas verbatim and even given speeches with parts taken right from Paul about liberty, constitution, shutting down IRS... If Huckabee win's I hope he keeps those promises, he might be a good president. Ron Paul, Huckabee...and I'm out of choices at that point. I'll stay home and see who wins otherwise because at that point it does not matter. Pick one...you'll get more of the same, the same gov that put us where we're at.
One interesting note, Ron Paul has over 70% of the troops support and many donate to him. They know this ill conceived war has no end and will bankrupt us. I don't see it as "all for nothing" America can learn great things from all this and become stronger than ever.

mattw
January 30, 2008, 03:25 AM
We installed the Shah in Iran 1953, overthrew their gov. We've been bombing these middle east countries for 20 years! From their perspective, we're the terrorists! Americans in general have been fead propaganda and fear tactics and are told "you're not patriotic unless you support the war and buy a yellow sticker..." it's sick.

Are you friends with John Walker Lindh?

If you read my other post I was a Duncan Hunter supporter until he dropped, now I like Huckabee. Guliani dropped too and is expected to endorse McCain. Ron Paul has already stated that he will not run as an independent if he does not get the nomination.

One interesting note, Ron Paul has over 70% of the troops support and many donate to him. They know this ill conceived war has no end and will bankrupt us. I don't see it as "all for nothing" America can learn great things from all this and become stronger than ever.

I am not claiming to know 100% of the US Armed Forces, but I think its funny that I haven't met one Sailor, Soldier, Airman, or Marine that supports Ron Paul. I'm sure they're out there, but 70% seems a bit outrageous to me. I do know quite a few people in the military, I live near a Naval base, an Air Base, and attended Marine Corps OCS last summer.

The Tourist
January 30, 2008, 03:34 AM
I'm always a bit weary about taking the advice of any extremist who accuses me of being a heretic is I refuse to immediately surrender.

RP is a strict constructionist. That makes him one out of seventeen, just on my side of the family. You take the gun nuts on my wife's side of the family, and RP wouldn't even be allowed to lead the debate.

I heard that the sky was falling in 1968 unless I got involved. If I didn't, I was "part of the problem." Instead, I chased women and wore out three Harleys. I remember the sun came up right on time on January 1st, 1969.

A few years back, Hillary told me about a "great conspiracy." Shoot, I'm a plank member of TGRC, (Madison Chapter), and her name nevers comes up. We customize our Harleys and chase slightly older women.

So now, here comes RP. The enemy is at the gate. Christendom is once again going to fall into the maw of communism, or creeping socialism, or greedy industrialists, or big tobacco, or small tobacco or The New England Patriots.

Yawn. Been there, done that, invented half of it.

My Harley, as we speak, is down at the shop being outfitted with a new front end and some go-fast engine mods. I chased my wife around the coffee table right after lunch.

My guess is that the sun will be up around the usual time tomorrow...

mattw
January 30, 2008, 03:38 AM
A better title for this thread would have been "Do you REALLY care about Ron Paul?"

But then you would've gotten about 20 views and 0 replies.

JCT
January 30, 2008, 03:40 AM
He has to state that otherwise they'll blackball him even more that they do now.
John Walker Lindh....No. I'm getting the feeling you're the type of narrow minded people that are making the bad decisions in this country. I want peace, so you associate me with a terrorist? I should be all " Let's nuke'em, more war, more military, let's turn Iran to glass..."
Fact is most people are good, here and around the world. America is arrogant as hell by policing the world as though they can't take care of themselves. I don't support this war, I support Americans. Americans are suffering in more ways than one because of this war. I'm sick of a gov that can't even keep a stable society for it's own people yet it wants to spread democracy with force.
You along with many, for some reason medical science can't yet explain, can't see the other perspective. What if... What if you were an Iranian or an Iraqi? What would you're take on America be then? I love what America was and can be. It's currently sold out, UN controlled and bordering on Fascism.
Ron Paul can fix it. I'd bet Huckabee can fix it. The other's, at best will sustain our trouble, maybe make it worse.

Samuel Adams
January 30, 2008, 03:44 AM
This Life Member of the Veterans of Foriegn Wars swore an oath to the US Constitution. I actually read that old document. For that reason, I will vote for Ron Paul. You chickenhawks out there can kiss off. My vote won't be a wasted one. BTW, there is a very good reason Dr. Paul is getting more money from Veterans than the cookie cutter politicians.

JCT
January 30, 2008, 03:44 AM
Well, it shows some here can be passive spectators, the sun will come up...if that's all you need to be happy, I envy you.
There are real issues, there are real choices that have real consequences.
We will face a draft if McCain wins in '08. You will see gun bans and CCW bans if Hillary or Obama win in '08. You will see raised taxes, a weak economy and less jobs if Romney wins...You'll see the constitution changed to better suit the evangelical ideals if Huckabee wins.....but
The sun will still come up each morning.
Sam Adams has always been right on the money.

mattw
January 30, 2008, 03:46 AM
Fact is most people are good, here and around the world.

Thats a good thing to tell your kids at bed time, but have you ever been to Cambodia or Sudan or Somalia?

I'm not narrow minded, but at the same time I'm not naive.

Atleast you and I can agree that Huckabee wouldn't be a bad choice. Hunter was my first choice and it doesn't look like your first choice will pan out. I think Ron Paul will drop soon, now Huckabee can start picking up steam since Hunter, Thompson and Guliani are out.

If Ron Paul got the nomination I'd vote for him. Just because he is not Hillary or Obama and it would be fun to see what crazy **** he could cook up for us.

JCT
January 30, 2008, 03:49 AM
Well then, I'm sorry for you...
I have to believe most are good. I'd be bad not to, sort of a self fulfilling prophesy.
Government and Religion will someday be in the history books as the demise of the past human race.

mattw
January 30, 2008, 03:57 AM
We will face a draft if McCain wins in '08. You will see gun bans and CCW bans if Hillary or Obama win in '08. You will see raised taxes, a weak economy and less jobs if Romney wins...You'll see the constitution changed to better suit the evangelical ideals if Huckabee wins.

I agree with you that Huckabee is a bit too religious for my tastes, but the man was a minister. I would rather have to deal with strong Judao-Christian values than the socialism that Hillary or Obama would bring.

Also don't forget, the President isn't the King of America... he can't just do whatever the **** he wants.

ArfinGreebly
January 30, 2008, 04:02 AM
Do you REALLY care that we don't do politics here any more?

Look, do we have to go back to having public stonings?

Can we just lay off the political threads?

Seriously.

I'm gonna resurrect my "Halt -- Who Goes There" thread, 'cuz you guys don't seem to be able to find APS (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/), no matter how many times we point you to it.

Politics goes on APS (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/). They have an actual political forum.

Oleg put it there.

It used to be here.

For years.

And now it's not.

It's over there (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/).

On APS (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/).

So take it outside.

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