Tired of messing with Varget need another .308 powder


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karnaaj
January 28, 2008, 04:57 PM
Varget is a great powder but the fact that it meters so horribly is really turning me off. I've tried 3 different measures including the Lee PPM. The Lee was the best of the 3 but still unacceptable. What are some suggestions for a good .308 powder that meters well? Thanks

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uneasy_rider
January 28, 2008, 05:04 PM
Winchester 748 was made for 308. It works good. I also works great in 223, so its nice to kill 2 birds with one stone.

taliv
January 28, 2008, 05:10 PM
r15 rocks with 168g SMK

sublimaze41
January 28, 2008, 05:13 PM
I absolutely LOVE Varget, but I have the same troubles. It doesn't really bother me as I weigh each rifle load with an automatic powder dispenser. That being said, I had to go with AA2230 for the progressive when I was batch loading for thr AR. Metering is the big problem with Varget.

Hodgdon needs to refine Varget. Swarms of people love it, but hate the way it meters. They just came out with a new powder, Hodgdon Hybrid 100v. The powder has the chemistry of a spherical and the consistency of an spherical/semiextruded (shape). They did this so the powder would flow better through powder dispensers. I think the powder was designed for calibers that use H4350.

Galil5.56
January 28, 2008, 06:02 PM
Winchester 748 was made for 308. It works good. I also works great in 223, so its nice to kill 2 birds with one stone.

Fully agree about WW 748, and AA 2460 has worked A-OK for me in both rounds too (308 and .223), meters extremely well, and gives nice consistent velocities.

jaholder1971
January 28, 2008, 06:36 PM
I've never had any trouble with Varget through a Lee PPM. If your throw technique is correct every time you'll never get any more than a .2 grain difference in your charges, and in .308 Win that's squat.

USSR
January 28, 2008, 06:38 PM
karnaaj,

What bullet are you using, and what rifle are you loading the ammo for?

Don

John4me05
January 28, 2008, 07:11 PM
My buddy uses H4895 in his 308

karnaaj
January 28, 2008, 09:54 PM
What bullet are you using, and what rifle are you loading the ammo for?

150gr Hornady's in a Savage 10FCP

fastbike
January 28, 2008, 10:06 PM
FWIW, Varget measured very consistently for me in the Autodisk Pro (at Leaset as well as H-335).

MarshallDodge
January 28, 2008, 10:16 PM
Have you tried Hodgdon Benchmark? It has shorter grains.

I loaded 50 rounds of 308 and it seemed to meter much better than Varget.

I trickled the Varget but tried Benchmark straight out of the powder measure. My time at the range has been limited but so far it seems consistent on paper.

I'm using the cheapo Lee powder measure that came with the anniversary kit. It seems to do very well. I have a few loads that I use it on and the guns shoot sub MOA with them.

jonnyc
January 28, 2008, 10:18 PM
I've been happy with 4895.

R.W.Dale
January 28, 2008, 10:18 PM
I throw charges of Varget through my uniflow like it's going out of style. Now if I were still using my infernal lee PPM I would have given up reloading all together and tried fishing instead!

If you can't throw Varget constantly then you shouldn't metering your charges regardless of the powder. What powder measures have you tried?

heres a pic of some 300meter groups shot with a THROWN not weighed at all charge of Varget


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/GROUPS/HPIM1833.jpg

Grandpa Shooter
January 28, 2008, 10:24 PM
I am using Varget in .223, 30-30,308, and 30.06. I also use the Lee Perfect Powder Measure. I checked the throw and it was very consistent. By eyeballing it, it appeared to throw some larger loads by volume, but the weight was right on the money. I even tried putting some of the extruded and chopped bits on my scale and weigh them only to discover that it took so many to move the scale (not a cheap one) that it obviously doesn't matter. The Varget I have is the short cut variety. In the past I have used some of the pencil lead stuff and could only get a decent measure by throwing short and trickling the rest.

The convenience of using down the 14 different powders I have on hand in order to use 1 far outweighs the slight and apparently insignificant difference in metering the Varget.

Just one man's opinion.

dakotasin
January 28, 2008, 10:26 PM
ramshot tac, win 748, and h-380 should work. try tac first.

Vic303
January 28, 2008, 10:27 PM
Blc-2

USSR
January 28, 2008, 10:31 PM
150gr Hornady's in a Savage 10FCP

IMR4895 works really well with the light bullets. Although the ball powders will flow thru a powder measure better, the extruded powders will offer the kind of accuracy that your boltgun is capable of.

Don

Dave R
January 28, 2008, 11:32 PM
I use H335 for .308. Meters like a dream, because its a small semi-spherical powder. I compared it head-to-head with Varget, once, and got slightly smaller groups with the H335. Could be because of better metering. Its also one of the less expensive powders.

jerkface11
January 28, 2008, 11:59 PM
I use a Frankfort Arsenal powder measure and it throws Varget consistently.

stubbicatt
January 29, 2008, 08:17 AM
Ramshot TAC is a good choice for this application.

I wonder though, through my PPM I get really consistent throws of Varget, and H4895.

Hm.?

mule157
January 29, 2008, 08:28 AM
no problems here with a uniflow and varget works well i think.

Doug b
January 29, 2008, 09:34 AM
My Hornady measure throws Varget well enough to use it in .223 / 22-250 and 30-06. Technique is the secret.I remember reading awhile back were a Hodgdon tech said to think of Varget as 4064 short cut.

BsChoy
January 29, 2008, 09:51 AM
i got rid of my Uniflow cause I use nothing but extruded powder....varget was one I was using alot of when I had the uniflow. I got a Pact electronic dispenser and scale and haven't looked back.

jeepmor
January 29, 2008, 12:28 PM
Yep, Varget is a bit crunchy isn't it.

I second the BLC-2 recommendation for metering, but have only used it in 223. Shoots fine, don't recall it being more accurate though.

BTW - nice groups krochus.

dmftoy1
January 29, 2008, 05:08 PM
I use H335 for .308. Meters like a dream, because its a small semi-spherical powder. I compared it head-to-head with Varget, once, and got slightly smaller groups with the H335. Could be because of better metering. Its also one of the less expensive powders.


+1

karnaaj
January 29, 2008, 07:11 PM
Well, I have a lot of H335 on hand for my .223 maybe I'll start with that. The store I frequent doesn't carry Ramshot but I might pick up a lb of Blc-2 and 4895 for comparison.

I got the PPM because it seemed the consensus on this site and others that it was the best for Varget. Almost went with a Harrels but balked at the price. I was getting variances of +/- .4gr with the Lee. Maybe I just need to get my technique down.

My supplier is having a heck of a time getting Varget lately so maybe it's time for a change for that reason alone. Thanks for all the replies everyone.:)

fastbike
January 29, 2008, 09:34 PM
I've used Varget and H-335 in my Rock River. Both worked very well and seemed to be equivilent in terms of accuracy. The H335 measured even better than Varget in my AutoDisk Pro.

USSR
January 30, 2008, 08:28 AM
karnaaj,

If you intend to develop highly accurate loads for a precision rifle such as your Savage, then you need to weigh your loads. Set your powder measure to drop a charge weight about .5gr light, and then trickle it up to the desired charge weight.

Don

Jim Watson
January 30, 2008, 08:44 AM
I shot a good deal of AA 2520 in a factory Savage barrel. It metered smoothly and accurately and shot as well as Varget or other extruded powder. But none of them were as accurate as I wanted so I put on a Pac-Nor. It is more accurate but demands extruded powder to do its best. I got tired of weighing loads and bought a PACT dispenser (I already had their scale.) It worked great all last year but failed last week and I have to send it in to get it fixed.

karnaaj
January 30, 2008, 12:25 PM
I shot a good deal of AA 2520 in a factory Savage barrel
Unfortunately AA powder is about as common as hen's teeth around here. Been wanting to try it too.

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