Becoming Antisocial?


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Skunkabilly
January 11, 2003, 05:19 AM
I went shooting with a friend (her dad has Garands, M1As, 1911s, etc. but she hasn't shot handguns in years) and roommate tonight. I felt very at home and easy around them.

Most of the time I find myself not talking much around people anymore. Just get tired of being scapegoated for all the violence in the world when all I do is drop steel plates and tennis balls. I guard my thoughts at church, bible study, potlucks, even around my roommate (who is now considering getting a 9mm). I think I'll be treated better at church if I got caught with child porn than if someone found out I shoot bowling pins for fun.

Seems more and more, being at the range is the only place my character won't be judged. Or maybe I'm becoming antisocial?

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4thHorseman
January 11, 2003, 05:25 AM
Skunabilly don't get down on yourself. We are all in this together. Sometimes it's tough to stand up for what you believe in. But you have to have faith in yourself and what you're doing is correct. None of us here are "Sheeple". We maybe the only ones carrying the torch into the next generation. Don't give up man.

COHIBA
January 11, 2003, 05:29 AM
i lived right off I-595 in broward county the day Andrew came to town. many neighbors before that point had shunned me, seeing my come home from markam park target range and unloading multiple guns from the car to the house (no garage). after Andrew hit and the looting began those same people came knocking at my door wanting to borrow a gun. forgive the pun, but stick to your guns. in time all these anti's will come around. probably about the same time the red army hits the KALI coast w/ troops, but they will come around none the less.

Big_R
January 11, 2003, 05:32 AM
Skunk:

I hear ya. But, I have also found that there are more people like us than you may know. The only way to educate people is through dialogue or a well placed poster. I have a large bullet poster and a Winchester calendar above my desk. Many times, people have stopped by with a work related question, only to be educated about firearms. It also turns out that quite a few people I never would have guessed owned firearms, actually do. I met a first generation immigrant asain who showed me pictures of a white tail doe he took this year with a 10mm. You just never know.

Ryan

P.S. I have taken several people I work with who are not into shooting, shooting. Some have brought their wives/kids along. A good time was had by all. Some have even come back for round two.

Kahr carrier
January 11, 2003, 08:13 AM
No my friend I would call you NORMAL.:)

Airwolf
January 11, 2003, 10:19 AM
Story 1:

My GF started a new job a couple of months ago. She's become an avid shooter since we got started in August, wants to share the interest with others but is circumspect for reasons obvious to most of us.

As she got comfortable with her co-workers she'd casually bring up shooting while chatting (the typical "what did you do this weekend?" kind of thing).

Much to her surprise and delight several of them are firearms owners (one has an SKS) and she just found out another used to be a competition shooter.

Story 2:

My GF took her mom and sister to the range a couple of weeks ago for the first time. Her sister had only shot air rifles years ago. A few months ago her mom was literally scared and disturbed by and didn't want to look at the pictures of the CZ 75BD that she took over to show them shortly after she purchased it. :banghead:

At the range her mom really enjoyed the experience and her sister turned out to be a damn fine shot with the Para 14.45 turning in tight groups much to her sisters shock and amazement. A couple of days afterwards the GF got an email from them asking what they have to do to buy a gun!!!!!! :what: :D

The moral: There are more like-minded people out there that we realize, you just have to figure out a way to make contact with them.

King
January 11, 2003, 10:19 AM
I'm not "in your face with it" either, but I don't think you need to hide it either. There are a lot of curious or otherwise interested people out there. If you're not in their face with it, they should have no problem.

Soap
January 11, 2003, 10:46 AM
Skunk- I wouldn't get down about it. First, try to build a reputation within your social and professional circles. Then, very casually mention shooting. Try to mention it in a context where it includes another member of the social circle. Like King said, don't toss it in their face. I've found that being patient about mentioning RKBA has given me great results.

Kaylee
January 11, 2003, 11:08 AM
Dude, you have a classic case of tacticallis excrementis propellum. Indications are:

high level of interest in combat hardware and clothing
use of the word "tactical" in a serious manner to describe objects
minute planning for civil war or riot scenarios
a general feeling of opression and persecution from governing officials and LEOs


tacticallis excrementis propellum is extremely common among young, new gun owners. The syndrome typically arises within a year of buying a first gun and/or Discovering the Internet, and is particularly common among males of the 21-30 age range.

Treatment is as follows:


read the history of alphabet agencies in the US, to see we're really not at the high water mark anymore.
buy a blued steel and walnut bolt action or single shot rifle.
Preferably a .22lr. Love it to the exclusion of your EBPPers for a period of at least 3 months*
make friends with normal people who aren't scared of inanimate objects
avoid mainstream media for a period of at least one month



* alternative medicine calls for a BP muzzleloader or CAS duds.


If all else fails, your friends may stage an intervention.


:p ;) :D

-K

cratz2
January 11, 2003, 11:14 AM
Well, I admit that I don't relish the whole gun/anti battle that errupts from time to time. I'm fortunate to work in an environment where most management above me is former military and is very gun tolerant. I have had several runins with co-workers that overhear a conversation and the fight is on. From the time I was 18 till about 25, I looked forward to the arguments and relished them. Now, while I won't back down, I certainly don't seek them out.

By the way, I think my biggest asset in pointing out the gross injustice of antis has been Rosie O'Donnell. Even though she later retracted her statement, the time she said that citizens should not possess firearms WHILE HER OWN CHILD WAS PROTECTED BY AN ARMED BODYGUARD has won over three people that I can think of off the top of my head.

ReadyontheRight
January 11, 2003, 11:18 AM
No my friend I would call you NORMAL.

Agreed. There's nothing wrong with sticking with people you like. I'd probably be fairly anti social too if I lived in CA.

I've had some strange experiences in CA. I once tried to ask a woman and her teen age son in Laguna Niguel (nice, safe seaside town) "which direction is Highway 5?". I was dressed well for business, had a nice rental car and I was a good 30 feet from them in a 7-11 parking lot. All they had to do was point or say "I don't know". They looked at me as if I was nuts and hurried into their car, obviously thinking I was a threat. Lots of fear in CA.

ReadyontheRight
January 11, 2003, 11:23 AM
Kaylee -- Good one :)

avoid mainstream media for a period of at least one month

Seriously good advice for anyone. "Things aren't so bad. Turn off yout TV and take a walk around the neighborhood" is one of the best bits of advice I've ever heard.

twoblink
January 11, 2003, 11:44 AM
I'm much happier than I use to be; a large part of the reason is due to the fact that I don't own a TV here in taiwan.

I can also tell you, not having a TV has improved the relationship between me and my gf significantly..

At work (I'm teaching) most cannot believe I own guns; as in taiwan, gun ownership is strictly banned... But amongst the logical, they understand the rationale behind gun ownership..

Also, I can tell you also, it's a PRK thing. I am judged less in Taiwan then I am in PRK.

Kiddie Porn; oh everybody goes through that stage in life... Guns?? Oh you must have more issues then Michael Jackson... :rolleyes:

nualle
January 11, 2003, 11:48 AM
This has been illuminating, reading some "in-the-closet" and "coming out" as shooters stories.

I'm pretty much as "out" as a shooter as I am as bi. Nobody's business until it comes up; when it does, be ready to try some educating. Since my state is debating becoming a shall-issue CCW permitter, I expect the issue to come up rather more often than it has thus far.

I did once get an anti, fresh out of "Bowling for Columbine," to rethink her position, just by coming out as a gun owner.

Art Eatman
January 11, 2003, 12:27 PM
Skunk, I've never particularly made an issue of guns, except when there are both an anti- and a pro- in a group with me. I'll ask the pro- guy how his shooting/reloading/hunting has been, just for the reaction from the anti-. :)

I've always run with the sports car/folk music/hunting&shooting crowd, so it's never been much of a problem.

Living in a community where only a tiny percentage is anti-gun doesn't hurt anything, either. Every great once in a while, one of the little doofers will mouth off, and somebody points out that hoplophobia is readily dealt with by a competent psychiatrist.

:D, Art

Chris Rhines
January 11, 2003, 01:06 PM
Sounds like you need a shooting club, Skunk!

Everybody that I meet in more than a very offhand sense quickly learns that I'm a shooter, a firearms enthusiast, and a (ahem!) political misfit. I consider the acceptance of these things as touchstones for determining the worth of a potential friendship.

I try not to get in other people's faces about it, but life is really to short to hide who I am.

Oh, and I have no television. It helps.

- Chris

waterdog
January 11, 2003, 01:23 PM
This brings up an interesting thought.

Is this how colored folks feel when they move into an anglo neighborhood.

Think about it, and put it into perspective.

waterdog

redneck2
January 11, 2003, 01:31 PM
but here in Indiana, significantally more people are pro-gun than anti

Skunkster...I think your "problem" may be that you are beginning to believe the crap-ola that's printed in the mainstream media

This may sound a little odd, but if you don't listen to Rush, it's hard to keep a sense of "balance". My wife is totally amazed when people try to debate me. I usually tear them to pieces with logic. I've gotten way past being ashamed of being a gun owner, and am quite proud of the number of people I've converted.

Logical, rational debate has won many over. Illogical ranting and raving proves their point...and...IIRC, you're in California, the land of fruits and nuts. There's NOTHING mainstream about Kali.

4v50 Gary
January 11, 2003, 01:34 PM
Not antisocial, but because of the non-pc status we gunners have in CA, we have to be discreet about it.

Interesting point waterdog. Instead of guns, it's skin color. We gunners can feel ostracized like Skunk is.

Braz
January 11, 2003, 01:37 PM
...colored folks?

Frohickey
January 11, 2003, 01:44 PM
This is one goal of Sarah Brady and the gun-grabbers... they want to stigmatize gun owners much the same way smokers have been stigmatized by the media and politicians.

When people are made ashamed for what they are doing, that is when people become anti-social and only feel at ease with other people like them. Fortunately, gun ownership is still legal, and there are at least 80 million of us in the United States. Its just that some of these 80 million have felt ashamed of their gun ownership because of the mass media.

You need to join a 'support group'. Fortunately, these too, are out there. Go look up USPA/IDPA, IPSC, Highpower, Smallbore, SASS, Cowboy action, etc. Watch out for these support groups though, they will make you want to spend your money on new 'toys' :D

Archie
January 11, 2003, 01:44 PM
The media in California is tightly controlled by the left, therefore, it SEEMS you are alone. The legislature is also. It seems all the centrists and right wingers have real jobs...
In the past twenty some years, voters have rejected just about all forms of gun registration and restriction. It is only the left wing, socialist legislatures that enact the laws. Makes you wonder how such extremists keep getting elected, huh?

California is full of gun owners and shooters. I'm just up the road from you in Long Beach.

I am concerned about your church. Jesus said internal forces, not external forces are what corrupt someone. He also mentioned the personal ownership of weapons on more than one occasion as something normal, to be expected, and proper. I can't believe any serious Bible student (like the pastor or teacher) would not understand this. Did I mention I'm the pastor of First Baptist Church, Signal Hill?

Monkeyleg
January 11, 2003, 06:26 PM
Skunk, much of it may have to do with where you live. Here in WI, hunting is such a part of the state's heritage that owning guns is not considered "abnormal," except by the lunatic fringe who truly are abnormal. Even the majority of Democrats don't object to guns themselves (they just want restrictions of one sort or another).

I really think that the number of truly anti-gun folks is pretty small. Fortunately for me, the folks in my industry who fit that description already know I'm a gunowner and will have nothing to do with me. No problem.

10-Ring
January 11, 2003, 06:43 PM
Hey brother, turn that frown upside down :D Sure going against the grain :banghead: in CA is a tough road, but it will make victory that much sweeter! I have given up actively debating knuckelehads, but I'm up for a intelligent discussion w/ anyone actually willing to listen to common sense.

TarpleyG
January 11, 2003, 06:43 PM
As luck would have it, I went to lunch yesterday with 5 others. When we got back to the office, I asked one of the guys whom I know enjoys shooting if he would like to accompany me to the gun shop to exchange a sling I had bought the day before. When we got there, the place was mobbed. I had never seen that many people in there. We walked up to the counter and while waiting for someone to help me, I happened to look over and see two other guys from our office. This struck me as odd. I have worked with these guys since I moved to Florida 2 1/2 years ago and we have never discussed guns. After I got back to my office we all stood around talking about guns for a while. Pretty neat experience. I guess most people keep it to themselves. I for one do not. Everyone knows I am a gun owner.

Hang in there Skunk. It'll get better after you move from that crap state you live in.

GT

AnklePocket
January 12, 2003, 08:29 AM
"The strongest man in the world is he who stands alone." - Henrik Ibsen (1882)

scottgun
January 12, 2003, 09:32 AM
My diagnosis: skunk-is-in-a-funk, or a case of the post holiday blah's

Grab an old appliance laying around the house that you have been meaning to throw away, a few boxes of ammo and go blast it to pieces, that usaually makes me feel better. And quit trying to be so tactical, it makes the rest of us look less tactical

:D

Skunkabilly
January 12, 2003, 06:33 PM
Hopefully I can hit up the rifle range tomorrow. I shoot less than 500 rounds of rifle per year :(

Bruce H
January 12, 2003, 08:20 PM
The more you learn to depend on yourself the more you discount and have very litle to do with stupid people. After time you realise that you are talking to far fewer that you used to.

Schuey2002
January 25, 2003, 07:06 AM
Hopefully I can hit up the rifle range tomorrow. I shoot less than 500 rounds of rifle per year
Wow,Skunk I always thought you were a multiple "1000 round case" kinda guy.. The things you learn, I guess..

Wait until you get outa' SoCal,you can't even begin to imagine the world of shooting fun that will be revealed to you.. :D

Admiral Thrawn
January 25, 2003, 10:48 AM
I hear ya Skunk.

"From the time I was 18 till about 25, I looked forward to the arguments and relished them. Now, while I won't back down, I certainly don't seek them out."

I'm only 18 and i'm already sick of the arguments.

:rolleyes:

Waitone
January 25, 2003, 11:02 AM
Skunk,

You need to immigrate to the US. Cali is (well, used to be) an interesting place to visit, but it ain't no place to find lots of Americans. There are places in the US where you don't have to justify your love of firearms. You might have to justify why you don't eat grits, but that's forgiveable.

Immigrate as soon as you can.

bigjim
January 25, 2003, 11:09 AM
waterdog said:
This brings up an interesting thought.

Is this how colored folks feel when they move into an anglo neighborhood.

Think about it, and put it into perspective.

waterdog



THR has a Trent Lott Moment.

2nd Amendment
January 25, 2003, 11:10 AM
Well, I can't relate to the church issue. Pastor carries a .45 during services. :D

The arguments, I guess it's really a question of personality. I still love the fights, even at 38. OTOH I've spent the past 20 years researching just where we've been and where we're going and I'm just not generally impressed with the opposition at this stage. Still, I have found lately that I am a bit more reticent in arguing simply because I really don't care to make enemies these days. I'm not certain if that's because I'd rather be liked or simply not noticed at all?

Definitely chuck the TV. Best thing we ever did was putting an end to that thing about seven years ago.

Ol' Badger
January 25, 2003, 11:33 AM
Your not so bad off boy'o. Its when them thar guns start talking to you thats when ya need help!
What? What? Who said that?
Oh! Its you Mr. .357. No you cant have another cat! Oh look a birdie on the wire:D

Traveler
January 25, 2003, 12:28 PM
First, it really does matter (a little) where you live.

But if you think you're ostracized now, try telling people you make guns for a living. I can guarentee that you'll have a heck of a time meeting women with that overhead. And, even if there is one around that will talk to you, you won't be able to get next to her, because all the guys will be interested in telling their fish stories, and asking you to get them "a deal".

Mike Irwin
January 25, 2003, 02:27 PM
I've never really liked dealing with people. I have a very small core group of friends, and like it that way.

teknical
January 25, 2003, 05:47 PM
I don't think anyone has yet brought up the high school student gun owner syndrome. This syndrome is especially potent if said student lives in an area that is anti-gun biased. I mention high school, specifically, being that of the student-on-student shootings that have been in high schools, all have been very high profile.

Because of the media, high school gun owners are made out to be psychopathic killers to be feared. In many high schools, beside tornado / earthquake / fire drills, there are also "lock down" drills. These entail (of what I've seen of them) a member of authority coming on the loudspeaker, telling everyone to lock their doors, turn off the lights, and go hide in a corner (so the students aren't visible through the metal-reinforced glass windows in all the doors. What I don't get is if someone attacked the school, they would find *every* room to look as if it was empty... "Oh, well I guess nobody is here today. I'll just leave."

Go to school with a gun-related shirt (or a plain bath robe, with full clothing underneath: true story. The kid was given a detention after failure to comply with a dean's request to remove it.) on and you'll be talked to by a dean.

Hell, a student I know that's very bright (yet has nothing to do with guns) made the mistake of pointing in the air with his finger (as he always does to accentuate a point) during a passing period, just after Columbine. Some teacher saw him doing this and reported it. He was removed from classes for three days and put into R.E.A. (a room where they put people for in-school suspensions). The room is cold during the winter, you have to sit in little cubicals that all face the walls, aren't allow to talk or sleep, and can only go use the bathroom at specified times. They might as well add water torture or electroshock to the list.

All for pointing a finger in the air. I'm not sure if I'm more concerned about the school or the students in it, talking about guns.

Baba Louie
January 25, 2003, 06:26 PM
Skunk,

Did you say 500 rds. a week? Or was that a month? Oh my gosh, after re-reading you last post it said 500 rds (rifle) a YEAR!!!

There's your problem. Feed the need. I recommend you begin slowly, say 100 rds. a month at first and work your way up to 100 rds. a week within 3 months.

Take somebody from church, bring your banjo, teach a gun-safety course for the teen-age kids (and parents?) from church (if the parents will allow it) and take them, teach them...Show them the way.

I don't care if its a .22 or your 7.62, you need the FIX.

And even tho' you're a tactical kinda guy, if I may be so bold, I think you would do well hanging out with some cowboy action SASS shooter types. Plenty of them in CA, Marshall Skunkabilly.

You'd probably fit right in with a John Wayne cowboy hat, John Wayne bibb shirt, jeans and boots, pilgrim. (Ya gotta get his funny walk down). Banjo would work for ya here too. Every true blooded 'Merican loves a banjo playin cowboy nowadays.

If you want to wear black tho', you're either gonna be a preachin man an undertaker or a bad guy. (Preacher Skunk, Mr Skunk-a-billy or Skunk the Kid)

I've heard it said that there's actually people out there who don't want or need guns or knives and claim they really do have a social life... tho' it sounds pretty bleak to me.

Head out into the desert (go east young man) with a friend or two and make some joyous noise.

Oh yeah, skip the TV and newspaper for awhile. It'll do anyone a world of good.

Adios

cheygriz
January 25, 2003, 09:49 PM
Skunk,

When pholks start to diss you about guns, use my comeback. I just say: You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. And I make no apologies for disagreeing with you, nor do I expect any apology from you. Then change the subject.

Skunkabilly
January 25, 2003, 10:14 PM
REDNECK SAYETH:Skunkster...I think your "problem" may be that you are beginning to believe the crap-ola that's printed in the mainstream media

REDNECK: Me? I only watch Simpsons and King of the Hill...other than that the roommate just keeps the TV on for gray noise :rolleyes:

4v50 Gary Sayeth:Interesting point waterdog. Instead of guns, it's skin color. We gunners can feel ostracized like Skunk is.

Well, you can be a closet shooter. One of my problems was with one guy, who happens to be one of our community leaders saying some crap like how Charlton Heston probably isn't really a Christian because he is the president of the NRA. Very George Clowney-esque.

I am concerned about your church. Jesus said internal forces, not external forces are what corrupt someone.

The majority of the people are friendly to me, and indifferent about guns. The women more so than men, when they find out, are curious about firearms. I'm just guarded because once in a while, someone will question my faith or think I have CLP-transmitted leperousy because what I do for a HOBBY. This is pretty rare and the good news is I'm generally liked OK and can turn a new shooter out of it.

Schuey2002:
Wow,Skunk I always thought you were a multiple "1000 round case" kinda guy.. The things you learn, I guess..
Wait until you get outa' SoCal,you can't even begin to imagine the world of shooting fun that will be revealed to you..

Schuey, I am, just not with rifle! I spent 50 bucks on .45 this morning at an end-of-the-month refresher with my skul.

Definitely chuck the TV. Best thing we ever did was putting an end to that thing about seven years ago.

The TV is the roommate's :( Otherwise it would have eaten multiple .308 hits centermass.

You'd probably fit right in with a John Wayne cowboy hat, John Wayne bibb shirt, jeans and boots, pilgrim. (Ya gotta get his funny walk down). Banjo would work for ya here too. Every true blooded 'Merican loves a banjo playin cowboy nowadays.

Really? The country people here are pretty anti-banjo until Emily Robison showed up onscene. Now THAT'S a a girl!!!

Well...here's what's gonna happen. Last week's sermon was on oppression and how to cope. How relevant, I'm leaving CA for those very reasons. I'm going to fire off an e-mail to the guy that made the aforementioned stupid comments that really rubbed me the wrong way and have been...counterproductive to our community, to skip the rest of the quasi-religious jargon.

A bunch of them were wondering what is driving me to leave California so badly, but I get the feeling they think I'm nuts because it's in a way, over pistol grips, ferrets and motorcycle helmets.

ENC
January 25, 2003, 10:30 PM
Like many others on here I maintain a very close group of friends.

However, I have began to notice that gunowners are by nature nice people. I will tell a story that happened yesterday at work. I work at an auto shop (oil change general maintenance). I was outside greeting a customer getting some general info on her car. Well the freezing cold was taking its toll on my ink pen. I mentioned something to this effect. The lady said, "Well here this is for you." She handed me a fairly nice pen and promised to bring by a box of more when she had time. I thanked her and let her go to the waiting room where it was warmer. After I pulled her car in I noticed a NRA sticker on her back glass.

I didn't get a chance to see her again that day but it does correlate to my theory.

G-Raptor
January 26, 2003, 04:03 AM
I'm somewhat antisocial, but it has nothing to do with people's attitude about guns. Basically, I find most people to be boring and uninteresting. I don't watch awards shows or "reality" TV and I try to avoid people who do.

I have a list of subjects I like to discuss in public, it includes race, religion, abortion, and firepower; usually with a few like minded friend. Helps me spot the liberals in the crowd immediately - much more fun that way. :D

A couple of buddies and I were discussing our choice of rifles on our lunchbreak one day. The boss comes by and decides to join the conversation. After a while he makes the usual liberal comment:
"When they wrote the second amendment, they only had single shot muskets, they couldn't have imagined Uzis and machine guns, obviously those have to be restricted."

My reply:
"When the first amendment was written, they used a quill pen and parchment paper; they couldn't have imaged the internet and satellite communition so obviously there should be no free speech on television either."

He left...but I still got my raise. :cool:

Ed Brunner
January 26, 2003, 04:48 AM
There is a lot of good advice here that will surely help. We gun folk ARE different. We are different down to the core. Don't listen to anybody who wants to berate you for being who you are. You don't have to flaunt it, but embrace it and be comfortable being who you are and what you are.
Seriously, you younger folks have it a whole lot tougher than we older folks did at your age for the simple reason that Political Correctness and Zero Tolerance now permeate our schools, much of the workplace and most all of our society.
We fight it by not letting it convert us. In the end, we will win and you young folks ARE the future.

Travis McGee
January 26, 2003, 04:58 AM
Skunkabilly,

Nope son, you're normal, but the USA somewhere along the line got hijacked by commie symp pantiewaists who want to be sennnnsitive.

Where your NRA (or Colt or Glock etc) hat with pride, don't let the bastards wear you down!

SodaPop
January 26, 2003, 02:00 PM
The majority of people I hang out with on weekends are twice my age. I hate my generation.

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