Handloading for a 12oz. .357


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ChristopherG
July 31, 2003, 03:45 PM
When out shooting my Redhawk today (detailed in another thread), I also took a batch of a load I've worked up for my S&W 340PD--the much maligned and much loved scandium .357 snub that weighs in at 12 oz.

This gun is more finnicky with regard to ammo than any other I have, and presents a challenge for load selection. I've tried shooting/carrying the 38+p LSWCHP; they do shoot to point of aim, and reasonably accurately, but they're terribly messy, and they're only .38s, after all. Recent tests at ammolab.com don't look very promising for their performance, either.

I've tried the lightweight .357s, from Remington and Federal. They're cleaner, and they're controllable (with the right grips--a whole different saga; took me months to decide I really wanted the control of grips that covered the backstrap of this beast badly enough to live with the slight extra bulk), but they don't shoot to point of aim (only 158s do), and they are not as accurate as the heavier bullets in this gun, for whatever reason. Yet full-bore/factory .357 is more than I feel I can control reasonably. So I decided to download.

Today's load, which falls in between a couple of others I'd tried earlier, is simply 6.0 grs of W231 under a 158 gr. JHP (Gold Dots for real rounds, cheap roze JHP for practice). I don't know what this clocks; I'm guessing about a thousand fps. It's certainly within the operational perameters of the Gold Dot (though 10 layers of denim and 2 parkas might clog it, I realize), and more importantly, it's both accurate and controllable. In my best showing, I set up 5 shotgun hulls at 20 yards and knocked four of them down with a cylinder in reasonable (though not Miculek) time.

This is a load I feel good about carrying (setting aside the whole legal question about handloads; my basic answer to that concern is that I don't plan to shoot anyone), something that just wasn't out there among factory ammo. One more reason I'm glad I got into reloading.
CG

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ChristopherG
July 31, 2003, 03:47 PM
A relevant pic:

WESHOOT2
August 3, 2003, 11:11 AM
It's why we do this; "in MY gun......."

Art Eatman
August 3, 2003, 12:07 PM
'Scuse me. If you have a carry gun, you DO plan on shooting somebody IF NECESSARY. Otherwise, you wouldn't be carrying--or shouldn't be carrying.

Whatever load groups within a 6" circle at ten yards or so is plenty accurate for self-defense. Whatever is the most potent load you can control within this requirement is what you should carry.

Art

WESHOOT2
August 3, 2003, 12:46 PM
Extreme accuracy is what I strive for AFTER my reliability is 100%.

Coloumbine engagement started at 70 yds..................good guy - handgun, bad guy - carbine.
6" @ 10 yds = 4ft @ 70?

Reliability.
Accuracy.
Bullet.
Velocity.
Flash/noise.

My priorities.

ChristopherG
August 4, 2003, 09:40 AM
Art--a reasonable objection to a rather flippant turn of phrase. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, in the course of my rather sedate life, I see it as so improbable that I'm going to have to use my 340 in self defense that the possible (legal) risk of having used home-brewed cartridges is a statistically approaching zero. Which begs the question, why carry a gun if you're so smug about your safe little life, CG? Well, maybe there's a touch of inconsistency here.

Even so, I do find my run of priorities in a carry load running a touch more along the lines WESHOOT2 outlines above--giving preference to accuracy and bullet selection over raw power. With a balanced compromise of a handload, I feel like I've got a better portion of all three than any manufacturer is offering me.

CG

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