[2dogs]

Thank God we had the left wing nuts at Berkeley to study and explain the mental deficiency in conservatives. Now we have an explaination for southerners.:rolleyes:

Coming soon- what's wrong with Christians, libertarians, heterosexuals, white males. We need to study all miscreants and eliminate them...........




http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/30/140328

Southerners Know How to React

Watch out who you call a nasty name - he might be a Southerner, and y'all will be in a heap o' trouble.

Southerners, it seems, are brimming over with cortisone and testosterone, and they tend to be quick on the trigger. That's according to eggheads at the University of Michigan, where shrinks wandered down corridors bumping into students and calling them names.

Students from the South reacted far more violently and aggressively than those from the North, and "in tests regularly suggested more belligerent solutions to problems," writes Britain's Spectator magazine.

At the root of it all is the nearly vanished concept of honor, which appears to be thriving south of the Mason-Dixon line.

The Michigan experiments demonstrated that Southerners "retain two vital aspects of the old honour system: a high degree of sensitivity to insults and a tendency to respond with violence and aggression," according to Spectator.

That sounds reasonable - except how does it explain Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Edwards and Jimmy Carter?

[2dogs]

"in tests regularly suggested more belligerent solutions to problems,"

P.S.

I think this means they reacted as normal human beings as opposed to brainwashed, de-sexed, leftist stinking automotons.

But I could be wrong.

[sm]

"Bang Bang Bang...stop you Berkley liberal or I'll shoot". Its in the AR state reg's I swear :p

Klinton...maybe Rhodes...no wait, Kris Kristoferson is a Rhodes scholar too.
Klinton is just wired wrong. Criminals are wired wrong...I may be onto something here folks...

[TallPine]

At the root of it all is the nearly vanished concept of honor,

Ain't that the truth?

[matis]

2dogs said:
But I could be wrong.
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Yep, 2 dogs, you could be wrong. But you ain't!


Once upon a time I lived in L.A. and feared the South 'cause they had rednecks there.

Now I live in the South and I are one!


One reason for hope is that the leftists are trying to build the new socialist man with a feminist twist.

And since that goes against nature, it must ultimately fail, as did the Soviet version.


Trouble is, how long does it take for "ultimately" to get here?

And how much misery and death must be endured in the interim?


Long live touchy Southerners! Long may they endure!



Matis

[2dogs]

Once upon a time I lived in L.A.



matis

Just curious- now you are a Southerner. I'm a damned Yankee.

What is someone from L.A.?:confused: ;)

[Leatherneck]

What is someone from L.A.? Yes, that is the question, isn't it?

As for Clinton and honor and being southern: think Daddy/woodshed, and lack thereof.:fire:

TC
TFL Survivor

[matis]

2dogs said,

Just curious- now you are a Southerner. I'm a damned Yankee.

What is someone from L.A.?
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"Damned Yankee" is good. So long as emphasis is on "damned" :D


In L.A. they have 2 kinds: effete blissninnies -- and -- real men and women looking to escape.:D


I have declaimed!




matis

[pyrguy]

Obviously they are from Lower Alabama.

Somewhere around Mobile.

:neener: :neener:

[RepublicanMan]

Not a "Damned Yankee", just a Yankee......definitions to follow:

From Websters Dictionary, Southern Edition 1998


Yankee: Noun, One born anywhere outside of the original boundarys of the Confederate States of America (American South) that comes down, visits, goes back home.


Damned Yankee: Noun, As above only stays instead of going back home.

:evil:

[2dogs]

RepublicanMan


:D :D :D :D :D

[Jim March]

Clinton is easy to understand.

He regularly has the excess testosterone sucked right out of him.

:eek:

[El Tejon]

Wait a tick! I thought that the boys from da Souf were stereotyped as more polite and well-mannered than us pushy, busy Yankees???:confused:

Would they not respond, "I say, I say, I say beggin' yer pardon, suhr. As meye Daddee used to say, please be forgivin' me fer not lookin' where you be a-walkin', suhr.":D

[cuchulainn]

They're just jealous.

What gets me is this notion that Southerners are dumb hicks. Nearly all the musical innovation (blues, jazz, rock, bluegrass) and the lion's share of the best literature of America came out of the South.

And maybe that "vanishing honor" thing is why the South is over-represented in the military. Hmm?

[TallPine]

Wait a tick! I thought that the boys from da Souf were stereotyped as more polite and well-mannered than us pushy, busy Yankees?

I have always heard that a southern gentleman will be polite to you right up to the moment he is ready to kill you.

[Art Eatman]

I noticed evidences of this thesis some fifty years ago, although I could not have analyzed it in any specific manner.

In my second eight weeks of basic training at Ft. Bliss (El Paso), we had some trainees from First Army area--New York and New Jersey. Simplest put, they only travelled in groups when off-base on pass. The southern guys didn't give a darn whether they had buddies along or were alone, and I and others often wandered solo over to Juarez.

The average Reb seems to have an individual self-confidence. His own personal honor demands it. "I'll die before I'll run."

Art

[Stinger]

"What do you call someone from LA?"

We call them HIPPIES!



Let me get this straight...state/federal money was used in an experiment to piss people off? Brilliant, just brilliant!

I wonder what gave the experimentors the bright idea that it would be okay to assault someone, and then call them a name? I probably would have excused the push, but throw in the vulgarity, and I would probably have bloodied someone's nose.

And I'm NOT a southerner. I'm from Texas.

Stinger

[Skunkabilly]

People in California have this idea that everything outside of California is rednecks and we're pretty much the only pocket of civilization between here and New England.

[MicroBalrog]

I'm thinking that re-instituting duelling would solve the problem of idiots like this...:evil:

[Kaylee]

Hrmm.. in my experience, gentleman are usually Southern (or Marines, yum. :p )... but not all Southerners are gentleman, by a long shot.

As to the Al Gore thing.. the same thing that happened to a lot of my father's generation in my family -- you send all your sons up to Yankeeland for their edumaction, don't be surprised if they come home a little...well.... um... "urbanized."

(yes Daddy, if you're reading this I love you to pieces anyway! :) )


-K

PS.. I kinda doubt this is a state/federal money thing -- sounds more like an undergrad psych "research methods" project.. they can get pretty silly. :)

[sm]

I'm thinking that re-instituting duelling would solve the problem of idiots like this...
You know Patton had an Idea, he would duel against Rommell- tank against tank, and the outcome of the war would be decided.

<raises hand>
Find me a willing Berkley,and I choose 1911's, ...bye bye Berkley.:neener:

[Stinger]

PS.. I kinda doubt this is a state/federal money thing -- sounds more like an undergrad psych "research methods" project.. they can get pretty silly.

With all due respect, Kaylee, where do you think that the University got the money to conduct this experiment? Private funds? I think not.

Just another waste of tax money IMHO.

Stinger

[Oleg Volk]

Damned Yankee: Noun, As above only stays instead of going back home.



I used to be a Yankee but I got better. ;)
All I need now for authenticity is a pet armadillo. (http://www.animatedengineering.com/creature_pages/armadillo.htm)

Does this relate to guns and such in any way?

[Dorrin79]

I'm not a southerner.

I'm a Texan

:rolleyes:

[MJRW]

I think an ultra-liberal (read as "pansy") gets bumped and thinks "what did I do to make that person bump me, I should apologize for doing that." While normal human beings think "why the hell did that person bump me."

[longeyes]

Hey, I still live in L.A. and I got belligerent reading about this
latest academic folly. Who sez Honor and hot tubs don't mix? :D

[Kaylee]

Stinger.. I'm not saying the U didn't get public funds (thought they get a fair amount from students, student families, and alumni endowments as well) -- I'm saying that it sounds like an undergrad research project.

At least when I was taking such a class, there WAS no budget. You printed out your own materials and went and bothered your classmates.

Sounds like much the same here. I could easily be wrong of course, and I certainly won't argue against the fact that their idea is stupid and rude to boot. But it doesn't sound like a massive fraud of taxpayer funds either. Just myopic college kids being myopic college kids.

-K

[Airboss]

Only two types of people in this world:
TEXANS and Those That Wish they were


However that said:I don't mind fellow Southerners Guarding my 6 or my Flank.:cool:

[Justin]

What Kaylee said.

That's the beauty of college these days! You can major in Game Boy if you know how to bull. -Droz, from the movie 'PCU'

[HBK]

Makes me proud to be a southerner. We could do with more honor in the US. I also like Micro's idea about the institution of dueling.

[MeekandMild]

Sounds like the southerners were trying to instill a little social responsibility into the otherwise rude and anarchic northern culture. :D

[Bainx]

Hell yeah, I'm a southerner!! You wanna do somethin' about it?

[MicroBalrog]

Does this relate to guns and such in any way?


Yes, directly, it relates to individual liberty, personal bias, and other such subjects.

[RepublicanMan]

Southerners tend to be better shots. (there, now it relates to guns)
Besides, more of us own guns than you Yankees do. :neener:

DISCLAIMER: I am a Southerner living in the Yankeeland known as PA and therefore should not be taken too seriously.

[LawDog]

Body language.

The researcher who was bumping into people was doing it on purpose, not by accident.

As such, he was probably projecting aggressive body-language. The Southrons read his aggressive body-language and reacted as they had been taught - meet aggression with aggression.

The Yankees just wimped out.

An afternoon spent in study on a busy Southern street or mall will show that someone who bumps into another by accident will not draw an aggressive reaction, but I'm here to tell you, you start throwing your weight around on purpose and some ol' boy is gonna wind up seeing just how tough you think you are.

LawDog

[Safety First]

What is someone from LA?

A Dude of course, what else would they be.... But keep in mind that is a definition from one of those Southern Boys:rolleyes:

[RangerHAAF]

I was talking to a man I know who was originally from Ohio and like the majority of retirees from the north, he and his wife are now residents of Florida. It is interesting that he doesn't really consider himself a northerner, per se, because he told me that a lot of people that are from Ohio, Michigan, Missouri, and Illinois(outside of Chicago) have a different mentality and take great exception to being lumped in to the same liberal group as people from NY, NJ and MA.

I personally have experienced what he's talking about because my stepmother is from MA; she's lived in Atlanta for the past 22 years and she still can't click with the locals.

[MeekandMild]

What LawDog sez: As such, he was probably projecting aggressive body-language. The Southrons read his aggressive body-language and reacted as they had been taught - meet aggression with aggression.

Having raised several children south of the Mason-Dixon Line I must agree. I asked a couple of college lads about this today and they told me that if you give in to agression it only gives the aggressor incentive to further infringe on your space.

But there is another interpretation more consistant with Southron culture.

It is possible that the whiney, sissified yankee professor was not projecting aggression, rather playfullness...after all this was a research study. So the good boys from Dixie quickly picked up the game and pushed back. They are like well bred German Shepards, always willing to tussle. (Yankees, on the other hand, would not be able to see this and would flee what they presume to be hostility.)

I can't recall the number of times I've been dumped into a swimming pool by or "swapped licks" with my kids. All in fun of course, no aggression intended. :p

Sure there is aggression. Take Bill and Al and Jimmy et all, they hire thugs.

[El Tejon]

As to this anti-modern Southerner professor, "those who have to criticize others are those whose minds are void." Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming, THE ESSENCE OF SHAOLIN WHITE CRANE v (1996) (citing Chinese proverb taught by Dr. Yang's master, Cheng, Gin-Gsao).

Being in academia all that time that I was, I can say that the Chinese are dead on, yet again.:D

[Butch]

OK El Tejon ( alias Grasshopper )
I'M still a TEXAN :neener:

[FedDC]

God please get me back to Missippi! If I get one more southern joke from these yankees pretending to be southern bc they are in Northern VA, I'm gona lose it. These folks in DC are so fra from the south, they might as well be in Canada. It is good to hear that I'm not alone. Maybe I'll start "Radio Free Dixie" for all my souther brothers trapped behind the lines;)

[JohnBT]

What kind of Southerner goes to college in Michigan?

A confused one? One from a Yankee family that just happens to have a Southern address? Heaven forbid, a Yankee wannabe? One that can't read a road map and is lucky they didn't end up in South Dakota or South Bend when they were looking for South Carolina?

Research? More like a party game?

John

[Marko Kloos]

As someone who has lived both north and south of the Mason-Dixon line, I much prefer the courteous Southerners over the (many) rude Yankees.

There are exceptions to the "rude Yankee" classification. When I lived in New England, I found that New Hampshirites and Mainers are comparable to many Southerners in that they are more laid-back, and more "old-fashioned" polite than folks from Massachusetts, Connecticut, or folks from NYC or NJ. Upstate New Yorkers are a whole different breed than their NYC neighbors, they're more "country" than most Yankees.

My ex-wife once said that she perferred to live in Yankeeland because "at least they're rude to your face". I strongly disagree...it doesn't matter to me what kind of names you call me when I am out of sight, as long as you are polite and courteous to my face.

Manners are the lubricant for social intercourse, and Southerners as a whole have much better manners than Northeastern Yankees or Californians.

[El Tejon]

Butch, that's "brasshopper", suhr.:D

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

In the '80's when the Rust Belt got cranked up churning the unemployed into the south there were a couple of bumper stickers that were popular around here-

"We don't care how you did it up north"

and

"Yankees ae like hemorrhoids- the ones that come down and go back up are less problem than those that come down and stay down"

By the way, one of my best friends in those days was an underemployed design engineer from Cleveland who moved here to cast pipe in a foundry for 1/5 of what he had been making up there.

Regards,
Rabbit.

[Duncan Idaho]

Law Dog nailed it.

Most Yankees (I are one by birth, and I are one now by geograffy, but I used to was a southerner - SC & FL - good while it lasted) have no situational awareness. You might need to go so far as to actually hit them with your fist before they "get it".


Bump into a southerner by accident (when they are sober :p ), and they will most likely simply say 'excuse me'. Bump them on purpose however...well, just imagine the outcome if all of the 9/11 hijackers had flown out of Houston that fateful day...

[Sean Smith]

well, just imagine the outcome if all of the 9/11 hijackers had flown out of Houston that fateful day...

Alot of dead Texans.

[Atticus]

I've lived in several parts of the country, and have family that has lived for many generations in Georgia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Illinois and Ohio. One thing I've always noticed, is that the first thing out of a many Southern mouth, is a boast about how good their manners are. The second thing, is typically an insult to his visitor's heritage, state, or whatevuh! I even get that crap from some of my Southern friends and relatives. Pretty contradictory if you ask me. I've always wondered about folks who have a constant need to boast and toast (regardless of where they're from). Normally, it's a sure sign of a deficiency of some sort. Perhaps the definition of mannerly, friendly, or proud, is subjective.

[4v50 Gary]

I've been to Tennessee, South & North Carolina, Kentucky, Virginia, Texas, & Florida. All in all, the southerners can teach the Berkelites and Californians something called Manners. California use to be nice, but I think we got invaded by a breed called New Yorkers. We gave the world drive by shooting. What the heck are those egg-heads thinking of?:confused:

[Orthonym]

Well, we ARE better shots by nature. Proof? The NRA was founded by DYs to try and teach themselves to shoot as well as we do.

As for the other thing, Ah jest caint hep it, it must be mah Celtic timpamint!

[Dilettante]

The Newsmax article was about a piece in the London Spectator that used the study as a lead-in:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old&section=back&issue=2003-07-26&id=3341

The study was actually done several years ago. Not only did the experimenters bump into the students deliberately, they shouted back an insult afterwards ("???????!")

Maybe students from California were less effected because out here, that's how you say "excuse me". :D

IIRC they wanted to find out how stressful this was for the "victim". An increase in stress levels doesn't tell you that he is aggressive or wanted to start a fight. It does suggest that the incident seemed more dangerous to him than to someone who didn't react physiologically.

The guy who wrote the Spectator article used this as a springboard for his own smug opinions. What a prick.

[LawDog]

Now, let me get this straight...
... the experimenter first deliberately bumped into strangers out walking, then shouted an insult at them? Called them insulting names?

:confused:

Maybe I've been in Texas too long, but why the hell was he surprised that he wound up with "belligerent solutions" to his problem self?

"nearly vanished concept of honor" my fuzzy tail. You walk down any street in Small Town Texas, bang into someone; then insult them and someone is going to stomp a mudhole in your butt and walk it dry.

That ain't honour, that's a lesson in manners and courtesy.

LawDog

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

ayup.

Common courtesy goes a long way. Deliberately running into someone, then uttering an insult such as that can get Bubba twisted tighter than a pig's tail. I wonder how much of the research grant went to pay for ice packs and bandaids?

Regards,
Rabbit.

[Duncan Idaho]

I wonder how much of the research grant went to pay for ice packs and bandaids?Probably not nearly enough to approach something resembling justice.

[Dilettante]

Sorry, maybe I didn't explain it well enough.

The "victims" all know that they're participating in an experiment. They just don't know what's being tested. (If they knew what to expect, it might affect the outcome.)

I don't know what they did in this case, but SOP would be something like:

Volunteer fills out forms, signs waiver. Somewhere on there is a statement like "the true purpose of the experiment may be different from what you were orignally told".
Somebody directs them "now go down the long hall there to have your measurements taken and do the interview".
On the way there, a "random" person bumps into them and says "???????!"
Then they get to the room, have their measurements taken, and do the interview.
If the researchers are considerate, and are not worried about the secret getting out generally, they'll explain what was really going on. But they can only do this after getting all of the information that they're planning to use in the report.

[Delmar]

I wonder what the mix was in this test as to urban vs people from the country. Urbans get their space violated much more often simply from the fact that they are packed in more tightly, where as people from the country have more room and are not used to having their space violated.

[Futo Inu]

Actually, Clinton is a case in point - criticize or threaten him, and you just might take an extended dirt nap - just look at the trail of bodys in Bill and *******'s wake. This reminds me of the Darwin award winner a few years ago when ol' girl answered an ad for roommate wanted with ol' boy. Then, as part of her college research project on human behavior/emotions, etc., she proceeded to intentionally, repeatedly irritate and upset him in every way possible, to document his response. Well, his eventual response was, he went off the deep end and killed her with blows from a hammer to the head - he must've been a Southerner too.

Seriously, Delmar, you're exactly right. This is a fundamental failure to control other variables - that being the rural-ness of the origin of the subject. More space in the south = less accustomed to the invasion of space = more offense/emotion when space is violated. Idiots.

[seeker_two]

At the root of it all is the nearly vanished concept of honor, which appears to be thriving south of the Mason-Dixon line....


That sounds reasonable - except how does it explain Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Edwards and Jimmy Carter?


Every Garden of Eden has a few serpents... :D

[RandyB]

Flotsam : Liberals float to the top and we ship them north.....

Asked two state cops in Arkansas if they voted for Bill. Response "Hell yes. We want to get the B@stard out of our state.":D

[Sean Smith]

One thing I've always noticed, is that the first thing out of a many Southern mouth, is a boast about how good their manners are. The second thing, is typically an insult to his visitor's heritage, state, or whatevuh! I even get that crap from some of my Southern friends and relatives. Pretty contradictory if you ask me.

Bingo. But you probably shouldn't have said that, those Southerners are violent as hell!

:evil:

[Atticus]

:D
Oh well, I've gotta be objective. I was raised a "tween" - in Southern Missouri and Southern Illinois. We have far more in common with our neighbors in Arkansas and Tennesee then we do with Chicagolanders.

Howevuh...some of the most friendly and polite folks I've had the pleasure to know came from Canada and the far North Eastern US, which makes me tend to agree with the earlier posts that these traits are more related to rural vs urban, than North vs South.

Regarding this "study", my first thought was that those "Southerners" were probably African Americans. How many white southern boys go to college in Michigan? Could be another issue entirely.

[six 4 sure]

I can’t believe I get to post after Atticus. I too grew up (and now live) in Southern Illinois. I’ve also spent some time in RURAL Nevada as well as Alabama. I agree it’s more of a rural vs. urban issue not North vs. South.

The people I associated with in Nevada, Alabama, and Southern Illinois were/are much friendlier than those from say Chicago. If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone from Chicago bitch and moan about us hicks in Southern Illinois (while they were attending Southern Illinois University) I’d be able to pay for Grad School.

six

[JohnBT]

I still think we learned to get along most of the time because of the humidity. It was too hot and sticky during most of the year to fight. :)
The exception to this was not listening to momma and getting your ear twisted (there's more truth to the Granny character on the Beverly Hillbillies than fiction.)

AC ruined the South. A bunch of Yankees moved down here and built houses without front porches. You'll never get to really know your neighbors or even your own family until you've spent long hot evenings on the porch watching the fireflies and the stars come out.

John

[Ed N.]

"You'll never get to really know your neighbors or even your own family until you've spent long hot evenings on the porch ..."
==========================================

Saw a sign in a shop not long ago: "Good fences make good neighbors. Good porches make good friends."

Lotta truth in that.