[petey156]

Please let me know which browning over/under is the best??
thanks

[RNB65]

The Superposed if you've got $25,000+ or so to spend.

Otherwise, any of the Citori models will do. They're all basically the same gun but with different stock and barrel configurations for different intended uses.
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[ArmedBear]

I love some of the old Superposed guns. They've available used in excellent condition for the price of a new Citori, and if I were going to spend the money on a Browning, I'd buy an old Superposed.

I bought, shot, then finally sold a BT-99. Couldn't hit jack with it past 21 or 22.

I don't much care for the Citori's balance. The 12 Gauge is an oversized, overweight beast IMO. It's durable, though, and some people just love them. Browning has acquired a nasty habit of putting a lot of porting in its range gun barrels. I wouldn't buy anything ported like that, from anyone. It makes the gun louder, does nothing against recoil, and is a PITA to clean.

Have you shot some? I wouldn't buy anything I'd never tried.

I don't think Browning has ever made an O/U that doesn't last. They're fine quality. But they've sure made some I don't care to shoot.

[bigcim]

They swing great IMO

[petey156]

i shot a citori lightning 12 ga 28'' thought i was a little on the heavey side, but had good feel. I am going to go try one of the feather models, they are a about 1 pount lighter, has anyone had good or bad experence with those?? but i dont want to sacrafice guality and durability for a lighter gun.

thanks for the help...
Pete

[ArmedBear]

You can get an all-steel Beretta White Onyx that weighs about the same thing as the aluminum "Feather" for less money. It deserves a look IMO.

[petey156]

any other good over/under brands i should take look at

[oletymer]

Look at the Browning Cynergy. After buying one I sold my Citori. The Cynergy is much trimmer than the Citori and handles better for me.

[browningguy]

The best would be a Diana grade if you have the cash.

However their is no one best O/U, depends on what you are using it for and which fits you best. Although it's ugly the new Cynergy does actually have an advantage with it's slightly lower bore axis.

[ArmedBear]

Also, if you want an alloy-framed FN that's top quality, you can get a nicer gun for less money when it says "Winchester" on it rather than "Browning." 12 Gauge only, but very nice guns and the 101's have been on sale around here a lot lately. Just saw
an ad for a 101 plus a case of AA ammo for under 1500 bucks.

Also see CDNN's catalog for some real deals on Winchesters, Faustis, etc.

[Cougfan2]

The action and lockup on the Citori is different than the Superposed. While both are probably equally strong, the Superposed action required more hand fitting. Either is a good shotgun. The Citori's are on the heavy side and tend to be a little muzzle heavy, but I find that helps me follow through with my swing on my Citori. That being said, they are a beast to carry for a full day in the field.

You should check out the Beretta's for the same kind of price and buy whichever feels better to you.

[1911NM]

Actually, I have a Belgian Superposed, but my next over/under is going to be a CZ. Very nice balance and swing, along with ejectors for under a grand.

[mswestfall]

I agree with Cougfan2 on his description of the Citori.

I've seen a few like-new-in-the-box, older Superposed guns for $1,500 to $2,500. You have to look. A fellow club member just bought one for (I think) $2,700 with very nice wood.

Brownings (except the Cynergy) tend to be heavy. Personally I think of this as a good thing...

I shot a beautiful Superposed Full-on-Full a couple of weeks ago. It balanced very nicely. This one was a little bit of a flat shooter for a Trap Gun. Boy would it be a nice dove gun.

Shoot it before you buy it. Good luck.

[PJR]

I don't think Browning has ever made an O/U that doesn't last. They're fine quality. But they've sure made some I don't care to shoot.
I agree.

Now they've made one that I wouldn't care to shoot and wouldn't be caught dead with. :eek:

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=014B&cat_id=013&type_id=289

[ArmedBear]

but my next over/under is going to be a CZ

I'm not sure that's as good a deal as you think for a Huglu. And damn near everything has ejectors.

SKB makes a proven shotgun with great handling for just over a grand, or sometimes under a grand if you can find it on post-Christmas markdown. It's a forever gun like a B-gun; I hunt with one that's over 30 years old.

http://www.skbshotguns.com/

[Hawk]

Anybody know offhand if the weights Browning is claiming for the Cynergy Feather are for real?

Their web site is showing the wood stocked 20 Ga. at 5 pounds even.

Their web site is also showing an "all weights are approximate" disclaimer.

The composite stock version (conspicuous by its absence) would presumably shave a couple more ounces. I don't know if 5 pounds is bordering on an outlandish claim or not, but it would almost seem so.

[ArmedBear]

That is a bit odd. The 28 weighs more. I wonder if it's not a transcription error, since the numbers are the same as the .410.

Beretta's US site is pretty much all wrong re weight. Correct weights can be found on the international Beretta site. Maybe try Browning's international site and see if the numbers are the same.

Even Franchi's are 5.8 lb for a 20/28", and they're really light guns, and the ultralight Guerini Tempio Lights are around 5 lb. 6-7 oz.

[petey156]

are all of the cynergys ported??? I that as bad as a few have mad it sound? do you like the choke tube that extend out of the barrel??

thanks for all of the great help

[ArmedBear]

The long choke tubes are apparently preferred by Sporting Clays guys who change their chokes out a lot.

Personally, I've busted the hell out of clays at about 70 yards with an IC I accidentally left in the gun. I can't see the need for all that choke swapping, especially with an O/U where you can have two anyway. But that's just me, evidently.

[browningguy]

Porting is good, as are extended choke tubes if you shoot a lot of clays. Most courses are set up so IC and M will work for every station, until you try some competition shooting that is. The Cynergy has a lower bore axis than any previous Browning, combined with the porting it rally helps keep muzzle rise to a minimum.

I'll agree the colors on the composite stocks don't work for me, but they really are a well designed stock for shooting.

[ArmedBear]

Porting is good,

For what?

Like I said, I've tried it, and it didn't do anything. Others I know with ported guns concur; they generally got the porting grudgingly because it came on a Browning range gun they liked.

Seriously, what does it do for you?

WRT the choke tubes, yes different chokes do work differently. I just think that people overestimate the importance thereof.:)

[RNB65]

Porting is nothing but a marketing gimmick. I've shot lots of clays with many different shotguns, some ported and some non-ported, and there's not a penny's worth of difference between them.
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[petey156]

does the porting really make it louder???

[ArmedBear]

Stand next to someone with a Browning range gun and find out for yourself.:)

[PJR]

I can't see the need for all that choke swapping, especially with an O/U where you can have two anyway.
I like shooting against people who are obsessed with their chokes. Most often they make me look good. While they are debating a .005" difference constriction (a meaningless difference), digging in their bags for their magic choke and trying to get them installed before they are up I am watching the targets and developing my plan. When that's done I might change chokes but unless there is an obvious need for a tighter choke I'll probably just stick with my light mods.

[45auto]

It's possible porting may work, "scientifically", but I can't notice the difference shooting moving targets either, and they are louder and make cleaning the barrel more difficult. Waste of money on target shotguns IMHO.
I would ban them as a "noise nuisance". ;)

Maybe they work better with short barrels, heavy loads, shooting a stationary target, etc...defense shotguns perhaps...don't know??

For field use, the hunting and lightweight Browning models are better. Target use, I'd stick to the "target models"...heavier is better for targets IMO.
So, I'm not sure "better" really applies since the action is the same...just different with a myriad of choices throughout the years.

Belgium Brownings can be very good buys, but I believe you have to "know" somethings to get the right one....for you.

[petey156]

Well with all that being said i think i am going to get a Browning Cynergy Feather. I just got to shoot a cynergy for the first time, get feel.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=014B&cat_id=013&type_id=274

Does anyone think that is a not the best way to go? Are they as durable as a citori?

Thanks

[ArmedBear]

Are they as durable as a citori?

There would be no way to know; they've only been around for a few years, and the alloy version less than the steel. The particular gun you want has no track record to speak of. FN Browning, for all their faults, doesn't seem to want to besmirch their name by putting it on junk.

That said, I do like how they feel. I don't care for how they look, though that is secondary. I have a Beretta and an SKB; their balance is more like the Cynergy than the Citori, and that's why I have them.

[45auto]

Hunting gun...correct?

Unknown on durability since they are new, but probably good and how many rounds in a lifetime does a "hunting" gun really go through anyway!

I'd pick up several of various types if you have the chance. Just make sure you like the feel and fit and all that stuff! ;)