[Packman]

If you were going to leave the USA and move to a different country, where would you go? Realizing that most places have much stricter gun laws than here, what would you be willing to accept?

Where to, and why? This doesn't have to be just about guns, but that's obviously important too.

[Kim]

I would have to be rich enough to buy my own island and be Queen. Nowhere else would work.

[230RN]

In almost every country, wouldn't you have to become a citizen to take advantage of their "largesse" in respect to firearms privileges?

I think the US may be the only country where legal resident aliens are afforded the right to keep and bear arms.

Someone check me on the above.

But: were I younger, and if I could retain US citizenship, I would say Switzerland, France or Belgium, in that order.

Because I like mountains, garlic, and I could get to like diamonds.

[george29]

Alaska is the only foreign country I would be willing to relocate to. The advantages? Almost all of them speak English as a first language and their laws reflect their appreciation to be left alone. If only I could take the cold!

[Bazooka Joe71]

I personally couldn't/wouldn't live anywhere else...

Unless my company was paying me some serious jack to move...And I still wouldn't like it.

BTW, why do you ask? Is this just a hypothetical or do you have a chance?

[Packman]

No, it's mostly hypothetical. I'm just curious as to how the other members feel. I was talking to a friend about living abroad today, and it made me think about such things.

I've gotta agree with Kim, I'd like my own island. Y'all can come visit if you like, but you've gotta bring your own ammo!

[rust collector]

Lots of other factors to consider, but I've always thought favorably about Finland. Lots of woodlands, a healthy hunting culture, and fierce independence of their own.

Switzerland has a lot going for it, but with limited resources I don't think they are looking for immigrants. Swiss houseguests have told us that you must wait many years to get a place to park your boat on the lake. I don't think I've got that many years left!

Probably Suriname or thereabouts would be the best fit for me, but I like it here just fine.

[Working Man]

Nowhere. I'm not jumping any boarders just because things might get rough.
Stay and push for change, make things better here. I can't see any reason
why I would not continue to call the USA home. If things got to the point where
I had to leave here, thats all the more reason for me to stay.

[RNB65]

The Czech Republic would be a definite possibility. If I could learn the language. I hear the gun laws are fairly relaxed and Prague is one of the truly beautiful cities of the world.
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[Bazooka Joe71]

I've gotta agree with Kim, I'd like my own island. Y'all can come visit if you like, but you've gotta bring your own ammo!


Give me a break you tightwad!!!

If you can afford your own island, you can afford to buy our ammo!:p

[Packman]

Freeloader!






:neener:

[glennv]

Sit tight. We need the liberals to win every so often so the rest of the sheeple remember what hell is like.

[Neo-Luddite]

Italy; odd gun laws, but it would be a food based decision.

The real question is; how big is my bankroll. In most places, like the US, you can buy your freedom; RKBA and otrherwise. Sad but true.

[Slugless]

Australia. New Zealand.

Great Britain would be okay, esp. if you could live in Northern England or Scotland.

Why? English common law. Trial by jury.

Holland would be tolerable. No trial by jury, though.

[SHOOT1SAM]

Monrovia, maybe.

[GRB]

Why? English common law. Trial by jury. Soon to be replaced by sharia law! I would never move to any of thes eplaces permanently. If I had to pick a place to which to move, outside of the USA, it would have to be warm, and guns would have to be accesible if not necessarily legal, though I would hope for legal. Rifles and shotguns would be good enough for me, so maybe Costa Rica, Mexico, Brazil.

[azhunter12]

I would go to some 3rd world country to buy every full auto gun I could.

[chris in va]

I would go to some 3rd world country to buy every full auto gun I could.

That's actually pretty funny. Didn't think of it that way. Kalashnikov's out the wazoo.

[FourNineFoxtrot]

I'm not going anywhere unless I have the bankroll to live on my own terms, armed as I please. Preferably, if I'm gonna leave, I'd want to go to a nice, pleasantly anarchic 3rd world country, and set myself up as either El Jefe or at least "That Crazy Rich Yanqui with all the guns who has the police on payroll".

Short of that, or buying my own island and raising the Foxtrot Flag over it, I'm staying put.

[bensdad]

If we all work together, I think we could actually take over France. They don't have much of a track record for stopping invasions.

[Winchester 73]

Guatemala.
Once you're a resident ,firearms ownership is not very difficult.Even visitors can get a permit with a little persistence and baksheesh.(payola)
Hundreds of gringos are legally packing in this semi-tropical paradise.
I say semi because it can get a little dicey in areas of Guat City and the mountainous regions.Baseball bats and knives are the weapons of choice ,but guns are becoming more prevalent among the glue sniffing teen BG's.
All in all,one of the few countries in the Western Hemisphere ,outside the USA, where its realistic to carry.

http://www.guatemala-consulate.org/

[Winchester 73]

I think the US may be the only country where legal resident aliens are afforded the right to keep and bear arms.

Someone check me on the above.

Missed your comment 230RN.See above post.

[Zundfolge]

Texas.

I hear its like a whole other country. :neener:

If we all work together, I think we could actually take over France. They don't have much of a track record for stopping invasions.
Sure you could defeat the French ... but then you'd have all those angry Muslim Youths you'd have to fight for it ... I expect they'll be a little tougher to defeat.

Seriously though, if things in the US get so bad that I'd be considering leaving ... I think there's a lot of things we're not supposed to talk about on The High Road that I would do first.

[MarshallDodge]

Some place warm and tropical that would allow me to own guns. :cool:

[Winchester 73]

I think there's a lot of things we're not supposed to talk about on The High Road that I would do first.

Its late and I'm bored.Nobody else is around.Tell me about it.

[Bendutro]

Somewhere where I can get American firearms, Scotch whisky, Italian Food, German cars and Swedish wimminz.

[Winchester 73]

Some place warm and tropical that would allow me to own guns.

Marshall,are you not paying attention?Did you read my 2 posts right above yours?Is Guatemala not warm and tropical?
Go for it.

[Winchester 73]

Somewhere where I can get American firearms, Scotch whisky, Italian Food, German cars and Swedish wimminz.

If you know Tony Soprano,New Jersey is your destination.

[Gunnerpalace]

If Parker went super bad I'd go to either New Zealand or Canada, collection would follow.

[Robert Hairless]

This country is mine. We grew up together and I like it here. I especially like all the many kinds of people. I'm staying.

[Caimlas]

Couldn't make me do it, not with a family.

If I had to chose, it'd be Canada. They speak our language and largely have a similar culture (in the parts I'd move to, at least).

There isn't really much of a history in my family of running from tyranny. Or running to it - not empty fisted, at least.

[Winchester 73]

If I had to chose, it'd be Canada. They speak our language and largely have a similar culture (in the parts I'd move to, at least).

There isn't really much of a history in my family of running from tyranny. Or running to it - not empty fisted, at least.

You'll be quite empty fisted among those Canadians sissies,Caimlas.
New Zealand may be a better English speaking bet.

[RugerBob]

it would be a 'have to situation' I am not sure of other laws in other countries, but anyone know what countries have the right to own guns? Not just sporting guns, But a nice collection of 25plus various types. I sure would not want to end up some where I am not allowed to own a firearm.

[edman79]

I'd move to the Dominican Republic.

Eddie Ed

[doc2rn]

I would move to that other country you know the one with the song, "The stars at night are big and bright deep in the heart of ......."

[Lazuris]

New Zealand, beautiful country, no dangerous animals, bugs, snakes, or anything else for that matter.(unlike OZ) They do require to register all guns but once you do you can buy pretty much anything you want. Oh and they have the best looking women i've ever seen in one country. There must be something in the water because i noticed they all had huge ****

[romma]

New Zealand, beautiful country, no dangerous animals, bugs, snakes, or anything else for that matter

please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't New Zealand a country where it is against the law to defend yourself under any circumtances with a firearm?

[Sharps-shooter]

There are a lot of them that i like. Finland, Eireland, the canadian rockies, Some parts of Tajikstan/Kyrgyzia/Kazakhstan/Xinjiang. I live here because my family is pretty much here, but if I had cause to move elsewhere, i think I'd manage to keep and bear arms in spite of any associated difficulties.

Pretty world out there.


PS. Monrovia is a city, Liberia is the country, it's easy to get a gun there, but easy to get a bullet too, or so i hear.

[Flame Red]

I am eyeballing Costa-Rica. Love that Dominican Republic's nudy beaches though! Belize primary language is English and I have been told $50K ina banks grants citizenship.

[Titan6]

Montanna, Alaska or Texas. If things ever got that bad in this country they would likely form their own nations and withdraw from the union. I want to be on the right side in this matter. But if things are bad enough that I have to leave than I have failed.

[simpleguy]

New Zealand, Argentina, not necessarily in that order.

[strat81]

Petoria.

[junyo]

Outside of the 'own your own island' thing - which is really the way to go, there's terraforming, building your own land like those folks in Dubai.

But realistically anywhere like a a smallish island/country where you could Free State them, i.e. push the politics in a favorable direction by pushing the demographics and getting a few thousand gun owners to move with you.

Thought about trying to go to NZ a few years ago. More sheep than people and actively looking for skilled immigrants. Amazing environments and scenery, couple of "must see before you die" spots. The gun thing was a bit of a sticking point, it seemed like a) self defense was frowned on, and b) you could own pretty much any long gun you wanted, but pistols were impossible.

Always thought Mauritius would be nice; continental flavor, exotic locale, tropical weather.

[arctictom]

Alaska , and I am here, we are almost part of the US sort of.

[silverlance]

Alaska!
In every zombie movie it is always where teh survivors are.
For some reason Hawaii never makes it despite being an isalnd.

[bluestarlizzard]

kim and packman, can i come and live with you guys?

[another okie]

Texas - it's a whole other country.

Or maybe the Cherokee reservation.

[Blacky]

Planet of the Apes! Blam, blam... take that you stinking dirty ape!

[SuperNaut]

IIRC the gun laws in France are restrictive but not draconian. Of course, it's still France.

I've seen a couple of references to Mexico, just FYI Mexico has some of the most restrictive firearms laws in the world.

[Dorryn]

Argentina, Austria, Chile, Peru. Possibly anywhere in Polynesia.

[LSCurrier]

Costa Rica.

My wife is from there and she has taken me twice. Of course I would have to get whatever license is required to own / carry a handgun.

My wifes nephew tells me that with the right payment to the right person you can get nearly anything you want. Just give me enough money to buy a large piece of property and house, reliable vehicles, a selection of guns, dogs to guard the house, and a few locals that are loyal to me (or should I say the money I give them) and I would be fine.

Luke

[Spyvie]

I would move to that other country you know the one with the song, "The stars at night are big and bright deep in the heart of ......."
Always in the back of my mind should the need arise... though AZ has been pretty good to me in the past, and I'd hate to have to move "back east" to maintain my western lifestyle...:D

[Packman]

Bluestar, sure, c'mon over.

I've always wanted to go to NZ, but I'm not sure I'd wanna live there. Looks beautiful, maybe someday I'll get a week or two there.

I'd be hard pressed to leave the US, but I suppose I could get over the cold in Alaska. Must be a good place, it's initials are AK!

[macadore]

Some place warm and tropical that would allow me to own guns.

South Texas? As an added bonus, many of the people here also speak English. :eek:

[Fosbery]

I think the US may be the only country where legal resident aliens are afforded the right to keep and bear arms.

Switzerland afford that right to legal aliens, resident or not!

[fearless leader]

I understand the gun laws aren't really enforced in Greece.

[Javelin]

Australia. New Zealand.

Great Britain would be okay, esp. if you could live in Northern England or Scotland.


All of those places banned pistols....

[robmkivseries70]

I heard a story about a guy who foresaw WWII coming. He moved to an out of the way place in the South Pacific known as Guadalcanal. Really.... :neener:
Best,
Rob

[ProficientRifleman]

Upon leaving the United States?

Montana, Wyoming, Idaho...

The last of the free states

[au1776]

I've thought about this a good bit. My choice would definitely be the islands of Palau.

The country has a representative democracy with direct relations with the US...the currency is the USD...3/4 of the population are Christian...English and Palauan are the official languages...the average temp is 82 degrees, and the islands are outside of the typhoon zone. Also, there are supposedly a lot of WWII American and Japanese "artifacts" scattered around the islands.

There are supposedly no poisonous snakes on the islands, and although a famous lagoon is populated with millions of jelly fish, they're stingless.

http://www.travelwizard.com/southpacific/media/palauair.jpg

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/47876/palau_beach_06-09-25.jpg

[4v50 Gary]

How about seccession? One tiny state with its own seaport so we can engage in international commerce. Form our own tiny Coast Guard and Gendarmarie Nationale. I want to be Minister of Propaganda and Culture.

Actually, Switzerland wouldn't take me and I don't know enough German to get by (French & Italian) also helpful. I don't want to go to Europe and Canada is too frozen (and they hate guns more than our own politicos do). I wouldn't mind Australia, but I can't bring any guns other than muzzleloaders with me. You think they'd want someone to research Billy Sing for them and write the ultimate biography of the man?

[50.]

You can have pistols in NZ you just got to have a B endorsement on your gun licence and belong to a pistol club ;)

[41magsnub]

I would go to some 3rd world country to buy every full auto gun I could.

The downside of course is the much increased possibility of needing said full auto guns...

[RNB65]

When the revolution comes, I wish to be declared Earl of Hampton Roads and Lord of Hatteras.

All are invited. There shall be daily feasting, taxes shall be low, gun ownership shall be required by all, shooting ranges shall be plentiful, and golf shall be free.

You may kiss my ring.

:cool:

p.s. I just realized that I'll then be the owner of Blackwater USA. Boy, will that be fun! :)

[ColinthePilot]

A bunch of my friends and I already have plans to buy an island and set up our own country. We're gonna copy paste the US Constitution and shoot all day, drink all night and do it all in board shorts, hawaiian shirts, and Sperry's.
But it doesn't necessarily have to be bad for us to leave. We're gonna do it when one of us hits the Power Ball. :)

[Spyvie]

We could turn the Baja peninsula into the new RKBA Republic...

[misternothingman]

I'm of two minds on this one. First mind says that I only speak Americanized English and that the only things I truly care about in this life are the family farm (and freedoms that go with it) and my family and friends. I can lay low and live off the land (though grandpa didn't really have the opportunity to teach me how, Hank Jr.), and support my own life. But I won't live to see the day when someone takes any firearms from me while I sit back and do nothing. I live in the United States of America, like the previous generations of my family back to 1789 (and they were just colonials back in 1750). No I'm going to stay and sling lead if that's what it takes. On my own terms, so to speak. Petoria anyone??

The other mind is that with my age, I may in fact live to see the fall of the country I've grown up in, or at least a mutation of it beyond anything I'd recognize right now. If I can't have certain rights, then I'm leaving. I'd head for Scotland. Leave the guns and take the clubs. That and after a while I'd have that sweet accent. The one thing I'll always take with me is the knowledge of survival. And engineering. And how to hit a solid 2 iron. Or throw a Curveball. Dang, they don't have baseball in Scotland......well Option B is out!

[chieftain]

I like the Philippines. Citizens may carry handguns, Lot of military weapons.

They even have a VA Hospital. A lot of EX-Pats. Almost all Filipino's speak english too. Up until recently it was mandatory in their schools.

Warm, and growing. Just stay off of the islands of Mindanao, Palawan and Sulu. Those Islands are predominant Muslims with all the problems that ensues. That is where the rebels are, and have been for over a hundred years.

But relax, there are over 7,000 islands that make up the Philippines.

Find a nice local girl and set up house on a quiet out of the way beach.

I can dig it.

Go figure.

Fred

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Why should we leave? Why can't we just kick the liberals out of our United States? They're the ones who want a new nation. Instead of letting them transform this one into a new one, just send them to a new one that already exists, AND has their brand of politics, like the UK. No guns and free healthcare for all! YAY! In the meantime, I'll keep my US and it's Constitutionally protected freedoms.

[roscoe]

New Zealand has plenty of land, few people, beautiful nature, diverse climates, and decent gun laws. Foreigners can bring long guns in with only a hunting license. Try that when entering the USA.

[JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone]

As long as my family is with me and they want to stay, we'd stay in the states. On the Lamb if we had to. Otherwise, if Alaska isn't an option, -and I don't have the wife, then the boys could help me through my last days homesteading in the Northern Territory. The Yukon.

-Steve

[Owens]

Not sure where I could go that it would be better, but I can think of some things that would make it better here.

Texas...it is a whole 'nother country. We entered by treaty, so...

[Dorryn]

Why can't we just kick the liberals out of our United States?

We cant because it would be equally wrong for them to try to kick US out for having them. Ideological differences are not a valid reason to try to expel someone from their own country. :)

[Grizzly Adams]

I spent 21 years defending this one why would I want to leave now? I necessary, I'll fight for it again!

[kamagong]

I'd head to the Philippines. I was born there and I still have family there. Good weather, good food, beautiful women. It's on the short list of countries that have widespread (and legal) gun ownership. The government is based on the American model. Plus their preferred handgun of choice is the 1911. Lots of smiths with the know-how to fix any problems you might have with your Colt or even Norinco.

The Philippines is also our ally. And its people like Americans.

[bloodedsky]

why, yet again, a negative comment about liberals?

or are we all just in love with the bush crowd on this site?

i know i personally just swoon over the patriot act, cheer about no child left behind, waltz to the tune of our war in iraq that has crippled our economy (they're accepting euros in NYC, for chrissake), and long to spend the rest of my life with the widespread slashing of social programs. the hypocrisy, the lying, and the blatant corruption are mere maraschino cherries on this sundae of BS.

having said all of that, i think i'll just reestablish prussia and make it my happy home.

[Hokkmike]

For gun laws, I stay here. For quality of life I could live in Canada, Germany, Norway, Australia.....(and probably some more)

But for guns I stay here. Please don't send me to New Jersey.