Which of these would you choose and why?


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MikePGS
February 6, 2008, 11:50 PM
Yes, another one of "those" threads :P

I intend on buying a pistol in the near future and would like some input as to which one would be most suitable. First, a little background. For the past year, maybe two even I've been looking for a suitable pistol. I've fired a good number, everything from Glock's (23, 17 and 19) an XD (45 Compact) a Sig (229, .40 caliber DAK) and a slew of 1911's (2 Kimbers and a slew of Colts, including one if .38 Super :Drool:). That being said, while I really like the ergonomics of the 1911, I'm afraid that I will not be able to justify the purchase with my present level of income. That is, justify said purchase and still remain in a relationship with my girlfriend :D That being said, there are three particular pistols that I have zeroed in on.

Bachelorette # 1: Ruger P95 (available at cdnninvestments for 250, + 12 shipping + 20 dollar FFL transfer fee = $282 total).

Advantages: From what my research has shown me, Ruger has a reputation for (near) complete reliability, and also the fact that 9mm is almost always the least expensive ammunition is appealing as well.

Disadvantages: The design while rather rugged, isn't the most concealable by any means, something which might be annoying in the future were I to try to conceal and carry it (though i'm 6' 3" 270 lbs, hopefully that might work to my advantage). Also the 9mm round is intellectually more than capable in regards to stopping power to me, yet reading the board too much has caused me to have some twinges of doubt about it, which might be detrimental to my confidence with the round.

#2: Ruger P345 (available at a local gun dealer for 395, plus 6 % sales tax bringing it to a grand total of 418.70)

Advantages: Again, a rugged design though its a bit more ergonomic than the P95 in my extremely limited experience (ie i held them both for perhaps a minute). The .45 acp is of course a legendary manstopper and this particular pistol's barrel length (4.25) should be more than sufficient to accelerate the cartridge to an acceptable speed.

Disadvantages: Only carries 8 rounds rather than the 15 of the P95. (however I think that were I ever to be in a circumstance in which i needed to fire my weapon in self-defense, that if i needed more than 9 rounds another magazine probably wouldn't help out much).

#3: Smith and Wesson M&P 40 (available at Budsgunshop for 439, -50 dollars for rebate (also gives two more mags, which is nice) + 20 for FFL transfer = 409).

Advantages: A high capacity in a very good round. Supposed the ergonomics are terrific, though I am yet to hold one as of yet. From what I've read, the low bore axis helps contribute to a less "snappy" recoil than other .40 cal's in a similar weight (the .40's i shot were indeed rather sharp in the recoil department, but not something I couldn't get used to). The backstraps are interchangeable, so when my girlfriend wants to shoot it she would probably have an easier time of fitting it to her hand.

Disadvantages: In spite of its already good reputation it is still a new model, so there might be unforeseen difficulties with it.


Sorry for the ridiculously long post, but I'm just trying to sum up my thought process so that anyone with input can see where I'm coming from. I'm mostly going to use it for range/home defense, but when i get a CPL in the future I fully intend to carry the pistol, so please keep that in mind. I have no interest in a .22 caliber at this time, and will only be able to buy one pistol for quite some time (baby on the way, yikes!). If anyone has another model that might be suitable, please feel free to suggest it. Thanks in advance for any help/input.

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newkahrman
February 6, 2008, 11:54 PM
Are you wanting the pistol to cc, target shoot, home defense?

possum
February 6, 2008, 11:54 PM
i would take the m&p. ammo cost is less than that of the .45 but more than the 9mm, but the m&p's ergos are outstanding and they far surpass that of the p95. also i love striker fired gus so i would be leanig that way even more because it isn't da/sa, in which i am not a fan.

Coronach
February 6, 2008, 11:57 PM
Of those three? The M&P. That, however, is me. Rent them all and go with the one you shoot the best.

Mike

MikePGS
February 6, 2008, 11:57 PM
Very true possum. I completely forgot about the DA/SA trigger, which is something I dislike a great deal. Plus if i got the 345 I would constantly be reminded of how poor of a shot I am in comparison to yourself :neener:

newkahrman
February 7, 2008, 12:00 AM
I had an m&p and loved it but was a little wide for cc. I switched to a kahr cw9. This gun is sweet. Its fun to shoot, recoil is very mild for a small gun, its light weight, slim design, easy to conceal, and accurate. Kahr is quality and the cw is under 400. If you plan on having something to conceal look into this one. Oh yeah, you may want to check out Ruger's new sr9. This looks like its the gun for everyone. Slim enough to carry but still has 17 round capacity. I plan on getting one very soon.

easyg
February 7, 2008, 12:00 AM
I would probably go with the M&P40.

But there's nothing wrong with Rugers.

CU74
February 7, 2008, 02:02 AM
If you like 9mm, and you like 15 round magazines, are you dead set on buying a NEW pistol? The S&W 59 Series 9mm, 15-round magazines can be found used, and at reasonable prices. I have a Sands Point Police Dept trade-in Model 5946 that is a truly slick firearm. Police Department trade-ins are typically somewhat holster-worn and in dire need of a good cleaning but have been shot only for qualification and are therefore in excellent mechanical condition.

Summit Guns - http://www.summitgunbroker.com/ - still has a few S&W 5946s, (although the Sands Point trade-ins are gone) for $250. Give Mark a call and see what he still has......

hybridgenius
February 7, 2008, 02:08 AM
I'd go with the M&P 40. That thing is just so sexy in your hands. I'd love to shoot it all day any day.

DENALI
February 7, 2008, 03:56 AM
It's a no-brainer my friend, S&W and their $50.00 rebate + 2 free mags......

possum
February 7, 2008, 04:08 AM
Very true possum. I completely forgot about the DA/SA trigger, which is something I dislike a great deal. Plus if i got the 345 I would constantly be reminded of how poor of a shot I am in comparison to yourself
the p345 trigger well on mine at least is very nice, in da it is log but it is smooth and easy to make accuarte shots as compared to other da/sa guns that i have used/owned in the past and the sa triiger is pretty sweet i am very impressed with it. the p345 da/sa triggers far surpass that of the p95 in my opinon

ugaarguy
February 7, 2008, 04:09 AM
Advantages: From what my research has shown me, Ruger has a reputation for (near) complete reliability, and also the fact that 9mm is almost always the least expensive ammunition is appealing as well.
Disadvantages: In spite of its already good reputation it is still a new model, so there might be unforeseen difficulties with it.
The early little nits seem to have been well picked out by S&W now. Plus it's a Smith & Wesson which means you have a lifetime warranty backed by one of the best service departments in the industry. So I must ask, why not the M&P in 9mm? Price is right in the middle of the other two when you factor in what the two extra mags retail for. You'd get a pistol you seem to really like, and in a caliber that makes shooting more affordable. The M&P in 9mm seems to be a convergence of everything you like best about the three pistols you list.

TimboKhan
February 7, 2008, 04:46 AM
Pick whatever you want, but keep in mind that the P95 is more concealable than you would think. I have a P90, and I have carried it on occasion with perfect satisfaction, as have others. The problem isn't it's physical size as much as it is the weight, which can be an issue anytime you opt to pack a full sized auto.

loop
February 7, 2008, 05:17 AM
Rock Island has 1911 .45s that can be found for under $400. I saw one in a local shop NIB for $399 today. I know the owner pretty well as a shooter. He's taken delivery of some firearms for me and I asked if he'd heard anything negative about them. He said "I've sold a lot of them and never had one come back."

The parts are completely interchangeable with a 1911 Gov't. Even if you have trouble with it part of the fun of a new gun is making it just right for you.

If there is a glitch with a .45acp, 1911, it can be cured - probably with information available for free on the Net.

Do yourself a favor and get something you will still have 15 to 20 years down the road.

I'm on the other end of the spectrum. I started my collection about 40 years ago. I'm taking 2k to a gun show on Saturday and will probably come home with nothing more than an ink stain on the back of my hand. If that's the case I'll find a RI 1911 online and start ordering custom parts before it is on the truck.

I have a nice stable of 1911s in .45acp. Bear in mind, the 1911 is the standard by which all others are judged. You can get one that is within your budget and in a few years you can have one you couldn't possibly afford to buy new.

Of the pistols you mention, real upgrades won't be possible. You'll trade them off to improve performance. With a 1911 all you have to do is put in the parts you want or have a smith make the mods. Parts, from frame to springs, to barrels to sights are readily available. Good smiths are abundant. Do yourself a favor and investigate further before you make a one-gun choice.

woad_yurt
February 7, 2008, 08:24 AM
You said that if there was something else, that we should mention it. OK, how about a 9X18 Makarov IJ70? Affordable gun, affordable ammo, smallish, flat and ridiculously simple & dependable. Parts are available and cheap and it's a dream to shoot. Plus, for SD, the Pow'r Ball ammo is nothing to sneeze at.

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