[Ninja42]

Imagine this scenario: The rulers of wherever you live are contemplating a total gun ban, and this time they will get away with it. You have found a way to hide one single handgun, a single box of ammo, and a handful of gunsmithing tools and spare parts, the rest of your guns and gun related items you loose. This gun will have to cover all your defensive needs for the rest of your life, and the following restrictions apply:

- There are no gunsmiths anymore. If your gun breaks down, and you can’t fix it yourself, you have no gun anymore. You can however have a gunsmith do work on your weapon before the ban takes effect, if there is anything you would like to have done to it.

- You cannot practice shooting. You can dry fire, but actually discharging the gun will with 100% certainty be heard by someone who will alert the police immediately. You will only do this when your life or the lives of those you love depends on it.

- The gun you choose can be no larger than a 4" revolver in the 686 or GP100 class, or you will not be able to hide it well enough.

Now, what gun will you choose? What spare parts will you stock up on? And what precautions would you take to keep it operational throughout your lifetime?

[Ske1etor]

Kimber Ultra CDP. Spare slide stop, thumb safety, firing pin, recoil spring, extractor and a bottle of CLP... that is all.

[targatop]

I have the Ultra CDP, and would say the same thing. The reason being is that it is small enough to conceal, but very easy to knock down a target accurately at 25-yards. My scandium j-frame is small and easy to conceal, but worthless (for me anyways) at over 7 yards.

[BigBadJohn]

My COP.357
But we're really not gonna go against the Gov. and break the law are we?:scrutiny:

[Samuel Adams]

My COP.357
But we're really not gonna go against the Gov. and break the law are we?
Yer damn right we are. :evil:

[strangelittleman]

S&W 686+Mtn.Gun. Good capacity of 7shots. That way I'll not have to worry about magazines. Durability would be no problem either. Also, it'll wear Pachmyr Compac Presentation grips for concealability enhancement.

[Thernlund]

The gun you choose can be no larger than a 4" revolver in the 686 or GP100 class, or you will not be able to hide it well enough.

Lets see... I won't be able to get it fixed if it breaks, so it must be bomb-proof. I have little room to hide it so it must be small. I can't practice so it must be inherently accurate. Hmmm...

Probably a Glock 27, 29, or 30. More than likely the 30. Not my most desired choice, but I'm limited here, eh?

If space was less of a concern, Sig P220 or maybe a good 1911 Gov't.

If space was of no concern at all, Remington 870 without question.


-T.

EDIT: To keep it operational, I clean and oil often. Maybe once a month. More as I become reminicent of when I used to be a free man. I store it in a silicone gun sock like a Bor-Stor.

Spare parts... whatever I could get my hands on and fit into my storage area.

I'd try to have a gun light or laser of some sort. A Lasermax would be ideal. However, it occurs to me that I may not have to hide a gun light. I could just say I had it from back when I was free. So a Surefire or Streamlight might be fine even without the space.

[CWL]

Colt Commander, all steel version. Perhaps a Glock.

Revolvers that break aren't easy or fast to fix.

I have an Ultra CDP as well but I wouldn't trust it to be as reliable as a larger-size M1911.

[762plinkster]

the goverment should never be able to take away your guns...:mad:

because if they can take away one right they can take away the rest. :what:

however if this were to happen i would have to take an sp-101 compact and durable and .357 does a good job

if i could hide it better i would go with a good 1911 and spare parts.

don't forget you can use other things as weapons for self defense

[kwelz]

I personally would be torn between a 1911 and a Glock 17 or 22. I know how to work on a 1911 better but I don't think I would need to work on the Glock as much.

[WRB05]

.357 magnum det är ju perfekt...jag har två stycken i huset...ammunition är inte så där jätte dyrt heller...

[The Bushmaster]

Mod 19 or 66 S&W .357 Combat Magnum. Vertually unbreakable and versitile. Can be either 2 1/2" to 4" barrel...

[XDKingslayer]

I'd just move...

[coyotehitman]

G17, spare recoil/mag springs, spare parts set. A complete set of gunsmithing tools for this gun= a couple of punches.

[Eyesac]

G17, spare recoil/mag springs, spare parts set. A complete set of gunsmithing tools for this gun= a couple of punches.

Me too.

[chris in va]

Too bad this is the handgun section. I'd say my Saiga.

Ninja, I see you live in Scandinavia. Are you expecting something to happen out your way?

[-terry]

+1 on the SP101. Bulletproof, minimal cleaning, can conceal, common ammo.

[easyg]

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM3779.jpg

[DENALI]

I find it amusing that given one gun only, forever and ever, some would pick a 5-shot mini-revolver. An absolute no-brainer, Glock-pick your caliber!

[yhtomit]

I don't own any Glocks, but I'd like one day to have at least one. It seems like a fair answer to this question, so I'll say a subcompact Glock in 9mm (more rounds than .45, which I'd otherwise prefer), some mags, springs, etc.

timothy

[Okiecruffler]

Wouldn't matter, if that were to actually happen I'd be nothing but a footnote in history.

[loop]

Wouldn't matter. When they came to take away my guns they would eventually pry my cold dead fingers out of the trigger guard of the last one I fired.

[Ninja42]

.357 magnum det är ju perfekt...jag har två stycken i huset...ammunition är inte så där jätte dyrt heller...


In this purely hypothetical scenario, the price of the ammo isnt the limiting factor, only the space in which I can hide it. What guns did you say you have? And though I appechiate swedish, I think we should keep the discussion in english for the sake of the other members :)


Ninja, I see you live in Scandinavia. Are you expecting something to happen out your way?


Not right now, but it will happen sometime soon. Handgun violence is climbing exponentially in the last few years, and the local rulers are very eager to do something that will make the public feel better. Knowing how they think, and knowing in how little regard they hold my rights as an individual, I can only assume that a totla ban is not very far away. At any rate I would not break the law, this

[Sgt.Dusk]

357 magnum det är ju perfekt...jag har två stycken i huset...ammunition är inte så där jätte dyrt heller...

Thinking the same thing. As long as its a revolver.
Semi autos can never have that long life cycle with all the moving parts.
I dont know the prices in Sweden but I think 18-20euros / 50box is jätte dyr,
but luckily I reload and even cast my own bullets so....2.30e/50 is nicer

[Okiecruffler]

If I were to have a pistol hidden, I'd make sure I could find ammo for it. 9mm I be thinking, even tho I hate the round.

[CryingWolf]

M1911A1 is the simple choice, the same one my Grandfather carried in WWII, combat tested soldier approved. 1911 has been around for almost 100 years and still going strong.

With that said, I say knowledge is power. If you had the opportunity and the foresight to see this coming then there is no reason not to be able to fix or build any part needed for your selected weapon. (gunsmiths are people too) Heck probably the best firearm you could have is one you built from scratch by hand. Learn metallurgy, and become a machinist maybe even include some chemistry lessons to make everything you need from powder to bullets to the firearm itself.

In the end they would have to ban and burn books, people would be next.

Slippery slope all the way.

P.S. Take away all the guns and only criminals will have guns. Funny thing / sad fact is, your now a criminal.

[BlindJustice]

I'll post this w/o reding and being influenced by responders

Answer*:

I've lined up my 1911 full size side-by-side with my
S&W 686P 4" Bbl. - pretty much the same O.A.L.
hheight, but the 1911 is narrower. So, I'd
buy several internal parts, recoil springs, etc. Another
barrel from Jarvis in .45 ACP to go with the .400
CorBon, the new bvarrel would have a threaded extension
for a suppressor. Add a .22 LR Conversion kit incl.
SLide, barrel, spring, and magazine.

* Of course to score maximum points with the O.P.'s .sig
line the answer is

CZ 75B choose your flavor in 9MM, and buy the Kaddett
.22 LR COnv. kit. with the same caveat of spare parts,

One box of ammo, well, I'll just get a really big box...

[WVMountainBoy]

I would take my Colt Police Positive Detective in .38 with a couple extra main springs and a box of semi wadcutters. I'm proficient with the gun, it hits where I aim atleast, its compact, and reliable.

That being said...its VIVA LA REVOLUTION time and they're not getting any of my weapons...maybe all my ammo, that I'll give them one at time.

[seeker_two]

My Ruger Blackhawk .357 convertible....tough as a tank and will shoot .357/.38SPL/9mm....maybe have the barrel shortened to 4 1/2"......

As for access to other guns, as long as we have LEO's and National Guards....

[florida1098]

Anything stamped "GLOCK"

[clemsonu0219]

Glock, Glock, Glock, Glock, and oh did I mention Glock?

[doc2rn]

Glock 19 with a second barrel and rebuild kit. At least a half dozen extractors and one replacement set of springs. My box is ranger +p 9mm. The 10,000 reload components would be stored also.

[lee n. field]

Lets see... I won't be able to get it fixed if it breaks, so it must be bomb-proof.

You got 50 rounds to last forever. Don't worry about it breaking.

[wheelgunslinger]

FN 5.7
When the comic book storm troopers come to get me, it's guaranteed to defeat their vests. Then, I got a rifle or 2 and some ammo.

But, I'd probably just leave the country, really.

[spiroxlii]

My sister and her family live in Norway, where it's very hard to own a gun indeed.

In your situation, I'd pick a revolver. I'm not sure which one, but a Ruger would be a safe choice.

[Snapping Twig]

With all due respect to your scenario, this one right here is the one I'd keep hidden. It's an N frame, but it's small enough to hide out.

The do all be all in my mind is a .44 - load it up, load it down, light bullets, heavy bullets - anything you want to do, it does it.

Trijicon sites for night work, legendary 629 dependability accuracy and action, total custom work by Mag-Na-Port...yep, this is the one I'd be hanging onto.

http://http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/SnappingTwig1/P8180025.jpg

[scottfrmga]

so you pick your favorite gun of choice, you hide it with all that you need to feed it and repair it. then what ?? you can't use it or you will be locked up or worse. seems to me that your trying to close the barn door after the horse has got out.

[Sapper771]

Glock 21 SF .45 with 3 mags (with +4 extensions). Basic spring kit with rebuild pieces. But you also have to kind of correlate with what the local authorities/Military are carrying caliber wise.......that way you can feed off of their stockpiles if needed.

[mavracer]

I have many that would work for me in this situation.4" model 65 shoots everything POA,3 3/4" 45 colt vaquero birds head plenty of horse power on tap.4" 610 smith 10mm power and fast reloads, delta elite or springer gi heck I'd even say my p7psp damn accurate. all are 100% dependable.

[Blue Brick]

Ruger P89

[1200 meters]

Not so sure about the 4 inch thing but I wouldn't waste time hiding gunsmithing stuff. You couldn't store enough to cover most situations. Better to have Guns noted not to break much. Rather I would hide Two guns . What guns, my favorite is Ruger P97DC ( 7 years never a failure) but to meet your shorter size I like the Walther P99 in 40 .cal ( also a great track record). Blitz

[jcord]

When this happens it is not time to bury them. It is time to use them. My choice will be my Remington model 700 in 308.

[Boulder]

You got 50 rounds to last forever. Don't worry about it breaking.

:D

[Joe the Redneck]

Blah blah blah...everything breaks sooner of later. The nice thing is such a situation can't happen. If you have a working gun in a police state, well, you can always get another weapon.

[BigGunsMoreFun]

It is very hard to pick one gun when there are so many good ones. I'd stay away from the semi-autos and especially from anything made out of polymer. I don't like plastic guns and I never will. Semi-autos also seem to wear out faster than wheel guns. I don't like little sissy calibers like .38 special, 9mm or smaller. They just don't get the job done in many cases.

I'd take any good, double action, revolver that is steel framed. I'd want the gun to be made of good quality stainless steel of course. I'd buy 6 each of every spare part you can get for the gun and 1,000,000 rounds of 240 to 300 grain Hornady XTP JHP ammo. The gun would have to be .40 caliber or above. Preferably a .45LC, .50AE or .500 magnum.

Just my opinion. I'm sure everyone has their preferences and many will disagree with a big bore revolver. I like the feel and the action of a big, heavy duty, large bore wheel gun. You can be darn sure that what ever you hit with one of these will not be coming in your direction after 1 or 2 rounds in the right place. Of course it really doesn't matter where you hit them with these calibers. If you hit them in the leg, they will still be minus a leg and crawling in the opposite direction from you.

The only thing you have to worry about is what is on the other side of your intended target because I guarantee every one of these calibers will come out the other side of whatever man or beast you shoot with them.

Joe

[BigGunsMoreFun]

Do they make 1,000,000 round boxes of ammo? If not, I guess I'd get the biggest box of ammo I could find for my big bore wheel gun.

1 box of ammo? C'mon, where's the stash. Nobody is going to make it through life on a single box of ammo unless you are already 90 years old and got one foot in the grave.

You might as well buy a dadgum Raven MP-25 if all you get is 1 box of ammo.

Sheesh!
:D

Joe

[Eightball]

I'd take my Smith 620. Comfy enough for anyone to shoot, durable stainless steel. I'd stock up on......one set of all internal parts. Ammo-wise, probably load up the hottest .357 load I can.

Or, I could be a jerk, and say I'd take a threaded 1911, and hide a supressor somewhere in the house--unregistered, of course. That way, if I really needed, I could use my illegal stuff, not get heard, and not worry about the firearm itself--only the repercussions of what to do with the intruder.

[Shadow1198]

If I were to have a pistol hidden, I'd make sure I could find ammo for it.

Better get used to oiling the garden if you know what I mean. ;)

My answer is a Glock, either a 17 or 21. I suppose most revolvers are ultimately more reliable, however I hate the d@mn things. I'm not giving up any guns though, so it won't matter regardless. I would certainly hope I'm no longer alive to see the day where an American has to hide a gun in their house out of fear of the government finding out.

[19-3Ben]

My COP.357
But we're really not gonna go against the Gov. and break the law are we?


damn skippy we are...or at least I am.

My Gemini Customs Ruger SP101 3" .357mag. It does everything I could ever want a gun to do.

[abrink]

I'd have to say my ruger P95. I'd get a few recoil springs, firing pins, extractors, etc. before the ban happens so i'm ready for anything. And of course i'd keep an entire gun cleaning kit.

Really hope it doesn't come down to it tho. But if it does i will keep at least one gun.

[Ninja42]

I was under the impression that revolvers generally contained more moving parts that autoguns? Of course the movement of the autoguns parts are the most obivous with the slide cycling and all, but it must take a lot of moving parts to rotate the cylinder with the same trigger pull that also cocks and drops the hammer.

That being said, I really like the idea of a 3" SP101. First of all its build to last, and then it is chambered in a caliber that is nigh ideal for the scenario. Personally, I am a 9mm fan who believe in shot placement above all, but without the possibility of practicing my skills, I might as well chose a powerful caliber that will do the job even if placed in a less vital area.

However, I also like the idea of a suppressed autogun. I know that virtually no one have (seriously) suggested a CZ 75b for this job, but is it possible to get a threaded barrel for those? If so, I might as well get a threaded barrel for my nexy gun, just in case :D And if not, is it possible to cut the threads in the barrel yourself without compromising its structural integrity? Keep in mind that it will be delivered with a 6" match grade barrel instead of the standard one, to keep it from being classed as 'dangerously concealable', and that I am allowed to shorten the barrel to the point where the overall length of the gun is no less that 210mm.

Also, does threated barrels for GLOCK autoguns exist?

[crebralfix]

I'd use my knife to acquire what I need.