PETA wants to halt church pig roast


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Monkeyleg
August 1, 2003, 11:23 PM
The funniest paragraph I put in bold type:

PETA roasts church for event

Group urges pastor to cook veggies, not pig

By MIKE JOHNSON
mikejohnson@journalsentinel.com

Last Updated: July 31, 2003

Cedarburg - An international animal rights group is trying to get Trinity Lutheran Church to change its upcoming pig roast to a "cruelty-free cookout," saying offering pork sandwiches is animal abuse and an endorsement of "factory farms" that mistreat God's creatures.

"It mocks God to treat God's creatures so abusively," said Bruce G. Friedrich, director of Vegan Outreach for the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

But the Rev. Chuck Turbin said Thursday he has no plans to pull the plug on the Aug. 17 event - part of the church's 160th anniversary celebration - or make it a "meat free" picnic.

"It's not really a pig roast in the sense that we've got a whole pig on a spit. We've got a fellow who's going to roast pork and make sandwiches and also roast chicken. For those who don't like pork, they can have barbecue chicken," Turbin said.

In no way is the church, N60-W6047 Columbia Road, or its congregation mocking God by roasting pork and chicken, said Turbin, who is a little baffled by PETA's interest in Trinity Lutheran's cookout.

"It seems to me God gives us permission to use animals for food. Certainly, after the flood that was made quite clear," Turbin said.

PETA learned about the cookout from a Milwaukee resident who e-mailed the Norfolk, Va., organization and directed PETA staffers to the church's Web site, which has details about the anniversary celebration and picnic.

Friedrich fired off an e-mail early Thursday, urging the church to have a meatless cookout and asking that it "never again include the slaughter of animals in an event you host or sponsor."

"By hosting an event that revolves around the abuse of God's creatures, your church is lending its imprimatur to factory-farming practices that are clearly and completely at odds with Christian values," he wrote.

The letter details how "modern factory farms mutilate pigs' genitals, teeth and ears, all without painkillers" and how sows are "confined to gestation crates so small that they cannot even turn around."

Turbin said he also has received e-mails from two women who objected to the pig roast.

"I don't know how they heard about it," Turbin said, noting nothing has been published in local newspapers about the event and that the women are not church members. "I'm at a loss as to how the word got out."

Both e-mailers decried the conditions in which pigs are raised at factory farms. One talked about how shock prods are used on pigs. "Then she lays the guilt trip on me: 'Being the pastor of a church, I believe you would strive for love and compassion,' " Turbin said.

"I'm sorry there are disreputable handlers that don't treat God's creatures in respectful ways, and I appreciate the e-mails," Turbin said.

"I was taken totally by surprise. I never expected this kind of response," Turbin said of the pig roast. "My first response was to kind of chuckle to myself. We might have opened a can of worms here. We stirred up a nest here."

PETA offers veggie chili, dogs

Friedrich said he has offered to send the church free vegetarian chili and veggie dogs for its event if it agrees to cancel the pig roast.

That's an offer Turbin won't be taking up. But he says he will consult with church members planning the picnic to offer vegetarian alternatives to people who don't eat meat.

"I don't have a problem with offering an alternative," Turbin said.

Friedrich said that is not going far enough and meat should be banned from the function.

"Society is going to come to view pig roasts and church picnics that serve up dead chickens and pigs with the same sort of outrage reserved for past atrocities of witch burnings and slave auctions," Friedrich said.

"The level of abuse of these animals is such that it's a moral outrage. Christians shouldn't consider it appropriate to serve up their corpses at a church picnic," he said.

Said Turbin: "Scripture clearly gives us permission to eat the animals. . . . I'm sure Jesus sat down to a Passover meal that probably included lamb."

Friedrich said PETA might show up to protest.

"Moses smote the golden calf and Jesus overturned the tables. It would certainly be in fine Christian tradition to protest something that is immoral and happening with church support," Friedrich said. "I wouldn't rule out turning over tables."

Turbin is worried PETA might mar the church celebration, which begins at 10:30 a.m. Aug. 17 with an outdoor worship service featuring polka music followed by the picnic.

"I would hope that we don't have any picketers here. This is just a celebration to which we've invited the community," he said. "That's the spirit in which it's offered."


From the Aug. 1, 2003 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

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4v50 Gary
August 1, 2003, 11:31 PM
Gawd demanded an offering and Abel gave him the choicest of lamb. Where are those Komodo (sp) dragons? We can turn them loose on PETA.

MeekandMild
August 1, 2003, 11:35 PM
I keep thinking about those monks who set themselves on fire in protest. Now that was serious. PETA is just a bunch of wussies. I'll never take them seriously until they sponsor a PETAphile roast. :evil:

Don Gwinn
August 2, 2003, 12:01 AM
If they hate the endorsement of factory farms so much, can we compromise by shooting a wild pig instead? :D

Carlos
August 2, 2003, 12:08 AM
Yes, as God would have intended. Quick and merciful.

"Society is going to come to view pig roasts and church picnics that serve up dead chickens and pigs with the same sort of outrage reserved for past atrocities of witch burnings and slave auctions," Friedrich said.

I'm going to start keeping a spare keyboard on hand for moments like these. :(

"Society" meaning La La Land, where Friedrich comes from. (I'm betting it's the Planet Xenon, where Tinfoil was originally invented, btw).

CatsDieNow
August 2, 2003, 01:16 AM
Last time I hosted a pig roast - we stuffed the pig with chickens. The horror! :rolleyes:

six 4 sure
August 2, 2003, 01:23 AM
I guess it's good PETA hasn't gotten wind of the Germanfest held at the Luthern Church I attend. I'm sure they'd freak at all the brats we cook.

six

Pendragon
August 2, 2003, 02:16 AM
If they are worried about PETA turning over tables, they should announce the Church BBQ and Trap Shoot/Bullseye/other gun sport.

I dont mind that PETA has the views they do - but I do mind them trying to tell christians not to eat meat when it is VERY clear that meat eating is permitted and encouraged in the Old and New Testaments.

KC
August 2, 2003, 02:49 AM
Mmmm...free range PETA. With Vegan: The White-Guilt Meat.

"Society is going to come to view pig roasts and church picnics that serve up dead chickens and pigs with the same sort of outrage reserved for past atrocities of witch burnings and slave auctions," Friedrich said."
Really? Maybe if you live in parts of Humboldt country, or Berkley...But Milwaukee?


On the other hand, maybe they have something. "The Lord is my shepard, I shall not want"; what happens to sheep when the shepard gets hungry? Or bored and lonely, and sure that there isn't anyone around for miles? I've always wondered, but never gotten a coherent response. Or maybe I should stop being a snapperhead and go back to sleep like a goodlife and wait for the harvest.

tyme
August 2, 2003, 03:56 AM
Better than killing poor plants. You have a choice, you can kill a few pigs, or you can kill thousands of grains of rice and hundreds of fruits and vegetables. Well, maybe not hundreds, but more than a few.

Camel
August 2, 2003, 04:09 AM
I think those PETA folks best stay away from Guam. Last fiesta I attended was an animal roast. If you can eat it they roasted it! I sure miss that place :p

swampsniper
August 2, 2003, 05:48 AM
There is actually a kid who got fired from the local Dairy Queen when she reported to work and told the owner that she would no longer slice tomatos. Someone told her that when you hooked a polygraph to a tomato the machine would register what could be defined as a scream when you sliced the tomato.
I know this is true, I'm the someone that told her about it. She is a niece to my ex-ladyfriend. I hope she doesn't starve to death.:banghead:
Oh well, whats a few more people that won't admit they know me?:what:

Duncan Idaho
August 2, 2003, 06:34 AM
KEWL

We are roasting a pig right this very moment at our local sportsmen's club. It will be ready right around noon, should any Godless plant munchers wish to stop by and whine.

Fruitcakes.

Navy joe
August 2, 2003, 11:25 AM
My local of Norfolk AKA PETA world HQ view. PETA supports ALF and ELF who are both domestic terror .orgs. That warrants a JDAM right in the middle of the PETA bldg. if we are serious about fighting terror. I'm only half kidding. When I can't go home I hunt public land. This year of PETA antics it was spreading talcum powder through the woods to scent scare the deer and slashing hunter's tires. Year before it was walking the woods randomly shooting .22s to keep the wildlife spooked. PETA is the only reason I carry a sidearm while hunting.

I grew up with lots of vegans in the family. That's fine, their pasty complextion and lack of energy is their problem. Just don't tell me what to do. They don't. I believe in enviromentalism, animal welfare, and such. Groups like Greenpeace, PETA, etc. damage the cause by scaring away everyone who believes in responsible use.

bobs1066
August 2, 2003, 02:24 PM
There is a site called veganerotica.com. Their mission statement is:

"VeganErotica.com manufactures hand-crafted vegan bondage gear, whips, belts, harnesses, and other vegan leather (a.k.a. "pleather") items. ...

By vegan, we mean 100% vegetarian, in that none of the items we sell contain animal products, were tested on animals, or whose production directly contributed to the suffering of animals. For more information on veganism, please visit Vegan Outreach or People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals."

Ya just don't know what people are up to!

Justin
August 2, 2003, 02:46 PM
And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........

-Disgustipated by TOOL, from the album Undertow.

Justin
August 2, 2003, 02:51 PM
Last time I hosted a pig roast - we stuffed the pig with chickens. The horror! And how! That was some mighty tasty pig/chicken! Makes me hungry just thinking about it.

BTW, I went to this PETA website: Meet your meat (http://www.meetyourmeat.com/) and all it did was make me hungry. Does that mean there's something wrong with me?

Moparmike
August 2, 2003, 03:03 PM
I still want to know about the rampant irony contained in the Don Imus Vegan Cattle Ranch. *** is the point?

Preacherman
August 2, 2003, 04:57 PM
There is a site called veganerotica.com.
Bobs1066, this is your mother speaking. Just how did you come to know about that site?

:evil: :neener: :p

bobs1066
August 2, 2003, 06:01 PM
There are a number of websites (www.cruel.com, to mention one) that link to the oddest things you've never heard of.

That's how I found vegan bondage as well as an Elizabethan Curse Generator:

http://www.tower.org/insult/insult.html

And an animated bear that has prime numbers shooting out of his butt:

http://members.surfeu.fi/kklaine/primebear.html

The Internet truly is a wonderful place. :D

gun-fucious
August 2, 2003, 11:00 PM
everytime they get an article like that published
some ninny prolly sends them money

sm
August 2, 2003, 11:12 PM
And an animated bear that has prime numbers shooting out of his butt:

Quick-aim the bear toward PETA members...

:neener:

Skunkabilly
August 2, 2003, 11:46 PM
I'd really like to see the next reality show of a group of vegans in Hong Kong.

"Fear Factor Wanchai--12 ailing ninnies must find a cure for the common cold using indigenous medicine. From frog skeletons to snake gall bladder."

Elmer Snerd
August 3, 2003, 03:21 AM
I am reminded of the semi-ancient question:

If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

I am also reminded of the comedian Rick Ducommun (paraphrased to remove profanity): "[The moral superiority of] Vegetarians? What hypocrites. The way I see it, at least meat has a chance to run."

veloce851
August 3, 2003, 11:09 AM
when you hooked a polygraph to a tomato the machine would register what could be defined as a scream when you sliced the tomato.
if anything this tells me just how inaccurate a polygraph is.

I work as a fishmonger, and I am always amazed at the people who come up to buy fish. But balk at seeing a whole fish in the case.
"I don't like the eyes staring at me" :rolleyes:
Where do you think the filets your buying came from you MORON

Or the lady that while buying a pound of salmon, I ask "May I get you anything else?" she says "You can get rid of that lobster tank!" "It bothers me"
I hope you choke on that salmon you idiot!
If you can't stand the thought of consuming an animal for nourishment.
Then eat plants people! :banghead:

And if your worried about how the plant feeels then don't eat anything and your charished Darwinism will take care of your infinitely more caring and compasionate souless body.

Although you better check with the worms and make sure they won't loose their appetite when consuming you.

how this relates to firearms?.... its the morons like this that are putting the blissninnies in office that strip of us our God given rights.. not only to protect ourselves but to feed ourselves too.

bobs1066
August 3, 2003, 11:25 AM
Many years ago, I was moonlighting as a checker at a Tom Thumb grocery store in Dallas. They had a lobster tank. When one lobster snuffed it, all his tankmates would start chowing down on the carcass. This grossed people out no end. What did they think lobsters ate? Big Macs!

clange
August 3, 2003, 07:54 PM
I'm a peta member.

PETA - People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

Glock Glockler
August 3, 2003, 08:02 PM
PETA wants to halt Church pig roast

(Yawn), Boring. Let me know when a Church protests PETA roast.

LawDog
August 4, 2003, 02:57 AM
Given the amount of leather worn by bikers, why don't I ever hear of PeTA picketing a biker bar?

LawDog

Futo Inu
August 4, 2003, 01:46 PM
'For those who don't like pork, they can have barbecue chicken," Turbin said.'

LMAO - I'll bet that steamed the PETA guy...

grampster
August 5, 2003, 08:54 AM
six 4 sure,

You mention cooking "brats" at your church. Would that be German sausages or nasty little kids who make too much noise in church?
HEH :D

Kharn
August 5, 2003, 11:05 AM
The letter details how "modern factory farms mutilate pigs' genitals, teeth and ears, all without painkillers" and how sows are "confined to gestation crates so small that they cannot even turn around."
Peta's never been on a pig farm, obviously. My uncle used to run a farm for the Philly school district (used for field trips and vo-tech classes), every major family thing was held there for the last 20 years (he just transfered to NYU's farm on Long Island, too far away from the rest of the family to hold family gatherings there).

Lets say this: Those pigs are MEAN! You dont want them to be able to turn around, because they could bite your hand off when you tried to pick up a piglet for food, medical or whatever other reason. Also, the sows will sometimes squash the piglets when they lay down, thus the cages have smaller side cages attached, with 4-5" wide openings between heavy bars, so the piglets can escape momma. Giving the sow a bigger cage would lead to a lot more problems for the piglets and for the farmer's hands.

Both e-mailers decried the conditions in which pigs are raised at factory farms. One talked about how shock prods are used on pigs.
And how else do you expect to control a 500+lb pig? It sure as :cuss: wont move along if you say 'Please' and 'Thank you' if it doesnt want to do what you want it to do.

I'm gonna miss the family BBQs, slaughtering the pig using hatchets, hack saws or whatever other instruments we needed, and then BBQing it in a pit until it was sooo tender. The kids even loved the pig's head sitting on a plate at the head of the buffet table (with bullet hole between the ears and eyes).

Kharn

4v50 Gary
August 5, 2003, 12:44 PM
Bring in some Hawaiians and make it a Luau. Now PETA is disrupting a "cultural" or "religious" event and that won't sit well with the majority. Just gotta make them look like the fools they are.

BrokenPaw
August 5, 2003, 02:14 PM
I know this is off-topic. But I can't help myself.Turbin is worried PETA might mar the church celebration, which begins at 10:30 a.m. Aug. 17 with an outdoor worship service featuring polka music followed by the picnic.The guy is worried that the service might be "marred"? It has polka music! How can it get any worse?

BP, in favour of banning polka. For The Children™, of course.

seeker_two
August 5, 2003, 02:29 PM
"Society is going to come to view pig roasts and church picnics that serve up dead chickens and pigs with the same sort of outrage reserved for past atrocities of witch burnings and slave auctions," Friedrich said.

Hope I'm dead before then....:scrutiny:

"...Christians shouldn't consider it appropriate to serve up their corpses at a church picnic," he said.

Or maybe not...:what:

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