I got told I have 3 herniated discs and degenerative disc disease. I didn't think to ask the Dr if shooting would affect it. Does anyone have any experience with it? I imagine bigger calibers would send a shock wave down your spine. I dont want to risk making it any worse.
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February 9, 2008, 05:25 PM
I don't know a lot about the disease. My mother has been in treatment for premature osteoparosis, however. She decided this year to stop shooting her 30-06 and moved to a .243 due to recoil.
If it does seem that you should be concerned with recoil, you may want to consider this before making other decisions:
From all the reading I have done on it, it practically eliminates recoil, but it DOES make the rifle significantly louder.
I plan on putting one on a LR-308 soon, so I may be able to give a "field report."
I hope everything goes well.
February 9, 2008, 06:01 PM
"I got told I have 3 herniated discs and degenerative disc disease" and I have 3 more bulging or slightly herniated...whatever that means. Arthritis and spurs also. Ain't life grand,lol. I do not shoot rifles unless they have magna ported (spelling?) or such. My buddy's 30.06 shoots like a dream, hardly any recoil. His 9 year old shot 3 deer with it this year. . As to your back, I walk 3 miles a day and it does wonders for my back. I am also starting a Pilates(?) program for your posture. Good luck
February 9, 2008, 07:08 PM
I have DDD, DJD (Joint) and 4 herniated disks. I use a wheel chair now as standing for over a minute or so or walking for a minute or so causes me so much pain. I still shoot hand guns and small rifles (.22) but I had to sell the bigger rifles as it is just to much for me now but that's just ME, you may have no problems with the larger calibers.
February 9, 2008, 07:13 PM
I had to retire on disability in 2004 due to a broken back caused by a fall at work. However, the specialists who examined me said my spine was basically a train wreck due to the degeneration of the bones & stensosis. I had to give up CAS because my neck & shoulder can no longer take the recoil from a shotgun. While I still shoot & carry for personal protection, I have to reload my ammo because the recoil from factory ammo is very painful & actually makes my condition worse.
My daughter has taken up shooting, I am teaching her to also reload. I guess the good thing that has come about from my situation is that she & I are spending more time together working up loads & at our range,
February 9, 2008, 07:49 PM
I got hit by a bus a couple of years ago and broke both my back and my pelvis, luckily my spinal cord survived the accident. When the different docs were looking at my scans every one of them immediately said "oh, you have arthritis in your spine", so apparently my back was already pretty messed up for a 45 year old. Anyway, my back frequently hurts now, and sometimes a lot.
I went out and found an inversion table, sort of a cot on a hinge with ankle bracelets that lets me hang upside down for a few minutes. When my back is aching the sensation of gentle stretching on my spine is better than sex... instant relief! It's nowhere near as harsh as a chiropractor and I can do it as often as I like. I don't know how I lived without this thing up until now.
Not real expensive either, I paid $245 for a floor model, that's money well spent for me.
February 9, 2008, 08:38 PM
I would stay away from heavy recoil, and heavy rifles for that matter. I have shoulder damage from shooting big bore rifles (458, 470, 577, etc).
My doc told me to listen to my body. If it hurts, don't do it.
February 9, 2008, 11:08 PM
I'm in the same boat, DJD, Spondylosis, arthritis, blah, blah. Some days I can't walk, and even on good days its hard to get my van loaded up and get to the range, but once there I haven't noticed any problems with recoil. The biggest calibers I shoot aren't that big though; .30-06 and mid-range .45-70s.
February 9, 2008, 11:22 PM
It affects us all differently. I have had arthritis since my early 20's, now, at 51, I'm a wreck. On the other hand, I know older guys who, on paper, are "worse" yet I would kill to be as spry and active as they are! As if I didn't have enough to deal with, the eye doc told me one more good blow to my head could detach both my retinas. What did I do Monday? Passed out from a stomach virus and other issues and crack my skull HARD... I can still see! woo-hoo! :D
count ANY blessings that come your way my friends!
February 10, 2008, 12:32 AM
Better than sex? Spyvie, er...where can I get one of these?
February 10, 2008, 12:32 AM
This is living responsible firearm ownership, through your sharing experiences , strengths and hopes.
I have learned a lot being out with DDS, and others physically limited persons, and many others limited and whole can as well.
I hope you folks continue to share with each other, me, and others that are humbled, and appreciate what you have to pass forward.
February 10, 2008, 01:06 AM
I can certainly agree with that, sm. I was basically told I'll have chronic pain the rest of my life and I'm only in my twenties but I'm aware there are many people much much worse, so I'm thankful for my blessings. I'm going to see a physical therapist so I will ask him about the kinesiology of shooting. Obviously "if it hurts, don't do it" is sound advice. My problems are mostly in the lumbar region and sciatica.
February 10, 2008, 01:07 AM
My sympathies go out to all of you who are suffering from various joint and bone problems as I am suffering from them to0. I have degenerative arthritis of the neck, degenerative spondylolisthesis, spinal stenosis, bone spurs, osteoporosis and just about every other bone and joint problem known to man. I have also had cerebral palsy since birth which contributed to my degenerative problems. Even so I have led a productive life, been married to a wonderful wife for almost 30 years and have two children in their early 20's and a one year old granddaughter who I think is the words cutest granddaughter. I can no longer shoot my rifles or shotguns but still enjoy shooting my revolvers.
February 10, 2008, 09:37 AM
had my cevical (neck) vertabreas 4,5,6 fused with a plate and some bone they took out of my hip last year gave up 44 mag and 45 even 30.06 adjusted down to 357 - both rifle and revolver and lots of 9mm - have more good days than bad but at 60 any day above ground is a good day
February 10, 2008, 10:59 AM
A buddy of mine has a condition that sounds almost exactly like yours, repo. He has exhausted everything, and a surgeon just told him that there is really not much they can do for him at this time. On the other hand he was also told not to go couch potato. His doc said he should attempt to do whatever he is accustomed to doing, as long as it doesn't hurt. He has been shooting a lightweight 12 ga. O/U for skeet. Two weeks ago he bought an 11-87, 12 ga., and added a limbsaver recoil pad. We shot 5 rounds of skeet yesterday. When we finished, he was tired, but not really hurting. You didn't really say what your shooting interests were, but there are lots of recoil management resources out there.
February 10, 2008, 11:08 AM
When we get back from vacation my Pain Mgt Drs are going to do a nerve block on me and, if it works, they will "burn" the nerves and that should buy me 6 mo to a years relief and maybe allow me to stay out of the wheelchair more.
February 10, 2008, 01:59 PM
If you are past the age of 40 it is lilkely that you will have "degenerative disc disease" (whatever that means), arthritis in your spine, and possible some bulging discs. Over age 50 and a lot of us have "spurs" (osteophytes).
Don't assume that: 1) that is causing your pain, 2) you have to give up things you enjoy doing, 3) you are unable to improve your symptoms.
I am a physical therapist who has specialized in low back and neck pain over the years. Based upon research and clnical evidence quite often the above diagnoses are not the cause of the patient's pain.
My peeve is that often these are shared with the patient with no explanation of their options or with the implication that you have to give up a large part of your life. For a lot of patients this sets up what I call a "disability mindset" or learned hopelessness. For most patients with this stuff going on they do have ways available by which they can improve their pain or sometimes get rid of it and continue on with life.
Giving up activities unnecessarily is the kiss of death.
February 10, 2008, 02:32 PM
+1 for the Proff.
The surgeon I just saw told me, and I quote, "I can't help you." and sent me to the pain mgt guys for a nerve block. Yesterday I met another patient who the same doc treated for a herniated disk. The guy was pain free and the operation was done as an out-patient.
The answer is: It all depends...
February 10, 2008, 03:01 PM
I really do appreciate all this sharing.
Thanks for chiming in, and being able to share from a PT's point of view from experience and research.
As shared, one does not "have to be old" for physical limits to affect ADLs (activities of daily living) , the human anatomy and physiology is such a complex being, and while designed to protect itself, it is vulnerable to many things.
I wish you folks would share more, start some threads with various topics, and stir up more interaction amongst members with limits, and provide some information for those that find up and just lurk.
You responsible firearm owners with limits, have a niche nobody else can truly fill.
I personally don't care if some younger folks chide, and don't agree with this - I really don't.
As I know, as you folks do, that in the blink of an eye, one can go from whole, to limited, be it temporary or more permanent.
I have caught so much negative, some really rude, uncivil, hateful and even threatening, as I said while not the best choice to use a Marlin 60 for home use, I have suggested and assisted with persons that have/do use a Marlin 60 for home use.
This lady used to shoot Trap in younger days, then Osteo and other problems hit.
Doc said the risk for breaking her back too great driving a car, even shutting the trunk could break her back.
She stepped down out of bed one morning, and broke her foot.
Doc and her PT said she was that bad off, and she and I discussed with Doc and PT recoil and safety.
Patient Safety is a big deal,
She can do Marlin 60s - very very well!
Pistols she can too, just the rifle is easier for her.
Not to mention, she has a lot of fun, and when she gets to shoot with kids...
she is such a funny big kid.
A kids meal is just her speed. She and the kids have the best time over who has the best kids meal menus, toys, games...
When asked why she let the picture white, and instead colored the rest of the page with the 3 colors in a kids meal prize , she said it was easier for her to shoot the white, accented by the colors.
Kids just looked, and "That really does make a lot of sense, we can see your target better and the holes you shoot against the white".
All sorts of tip you folks could share...please.
February 10, 2008, 03:16 PM
My L series is crap, drink lots of fluids, and take Glucosamine Chondroitin with MSM it helps a lot.
Go buy an inversion table (about 125 bucks at Dunhams) this will get the strain off the joints and allow them to heal and eventually the herniated disk will reabsorb.
Try and avoid surgery as that is a last resort and once done you are finished with your options.
February 10, 2008, 03:16 PM
I had suffered for about 7 years with the pain (cervical) I would say the last 2 years but the icing on the cake: I just had C5 threw C7 removed was replaced with a fiber wad and one plate and screws surgery was DEC:5 of 2007 the pain is about 60 percent better been told by my Dr. the healing is a long process and takes time.I was also told I should be able to get back into shooting when it all heals up. I have 3 herniated discs cervical and degenerative disc disease all cervical I still have one disc C3 threw C4 is bad just may have to live with it.I am 61 and never been in a hospital but I was running out of a quality of life with all the pain over the years
February 10, 2008, 04:16 PM
My wife suffers from all of the above. DDD, spinal stenosis, arthritis, carpel tunnel. She's had two spinal and one cervical fusion, and both knees replaced. Before November 27, she loved to shoot, especially handguns, usually 22's, but she shoots 9mm a lot too. She's fired my Colt Commander, SKS and a 12 ga pump a few times.
On November 27, she suffered a near fatal ruptured brain aneurysm, and is at home now recovering, and looking forward to getting back out to do some more shooting and fishing.
Here she is with her WWS, 10/22 and the first squirrel she ever killed about a month before she fell ill.