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KC
August 2, 2003, 04:08 PM
Article on NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/news/bridgeton/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1058185519176200.xml)


Can we ban assault weapons?

By SEAN C. McCULLEN
Staff Writer

Three Oaklyn, Camden County, teens armed with enough ammunition to battle a small police force embarked last Sunday on a plot to murder three classmates and countless others, but were caught before the carnage began.

A disgruntled former employee entered a Lockheed Martin plant in Mississippi Tuesday and opened fire, killing five before turning the gun on himself.

Three children and their mother and grandmother were found shot to death in their Bakersfield, Calif., home Tuesday.

Only one of these three horrid incidents -- one was a near incident, but that's not important here -- occurred in our area, but all three beg the question: What can be done to curb gun violence?

Two Bridgeton police officers, the mayor of Bridgeton and a state assemblyman had the question put to them Friday.

While none called for an all-out ban on firearms -- it would never happen, they said -- all agreed assault weapons, such as AK-47s and Uzis, generally serve no redeeming purpose and should be banned.

"You wouldn't use that to go hunting. You wouldn't use it for home protection," Det. Lt. Jeff Wentz said. "I can't think of any legitimate purpose for them."

Mayor Michael Pirolli, who enjoys hunting, favors increased gun-control measures. He took the ban talk a step further -- he feels all handguns should be banned as well, providing a rough estimate that nearly 80 percent of murders in this country come at the hands of these weapons.

And handguns aren't used to hunt, he added.

Banning guns outright would unfairly punish law-abiding, responsible gun owners, Wentz said. Those who want guns will find a way to get them.

"Look at the drug problem. Drugs have been outlawed forever, but people still possess them and find ways to get them," he said.

Det. Sgt. Carl Crispin, an avid hunter and longtime member of the National Rifle Association, called upon an old adage of the NRA when asked whether guns could, should or would ever be banned.

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people," he said.

Assemblyman Doug Fisher said education about gun safety is necessary to fight gun violence.

Fisher acknowledged that state legislators might need to re-visit gun legislation. But he said it is tough to balance the right of someone to protect their home versus the need to stop students from bringing them into schools.

"I think assault weapons are overkill. We certainly have to restrict the use of the assault weapons, and I think the Legislature has addressed it, but maybe we need to look into putting more teeth into (the laws)," he said.

Guns will never be outright banned, Fisher said.

Crispin added that enough gun legislation exists to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people. And when the wrong people, such as convicted criminals, are found to be in possession of a firearm, there are enhanced penalties to keep them behind bars.

"It's a matter of whether those enhanced penalties are carried out," Crispin said.

But Crispin said banning guns, or even increasing the requirements to buy one, would only punish the law-abiding gun owners because most shootings are carried out with illegally-obtained weapons.

And how to stop the illegal acquisition of firearms goes back to Wentz' drug analogy -- if people want them, they're going to get them, somehow, some way.

Pirolli thinks increased attempts to fight drug trafficking -- DARE and the county's anti-crime team that pulls officers from various municipal departments -- could be one way to attack the proliferation of gun violence.

He urged the Bush administration to reinstate federal grants for drug elimination programs.

"The drug elimination dollars directed toward some of the housing projects simply no longer exists," he said. "We're left on our own.



KC

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P95Carry
August 2, 2003, 04:11 PM
if people want them, they're going to get them, somehow, some way Never a truer word.!!! These are NOT excuses to try and penalize the law abiding citizen any further.

My sig' says the rest.

Old Fuff
August 2, 2003, 06:23 PM
Da ...........

Bad Guy goes and buys "Good-Gun" like hunters use (12 Ga.).

Bad Guy goes to hardware store and buys hacksaw.

Bad Guy goes home and uses hacksaw.

Now Bad Guy goes out and robs bank .......

Mayor and Police Chief call for ban on hacksaws.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in New Jersey.

Nathaniel Firethorn
August 2, 2003, 07:13 PM
Two Bridgeton police officers, the mayor of Bridgeton and a state assemblyman had the question put to them Friday.

While none called for an all-out ban on firearms -- it would never happen, they said -- all agreed assault weapons, such as AK-47s and Uzis, generally serve no redeeming purpose and should be banned.

"You wouldn't use that to go hunting. You wouldn't use it for home protection," Det. Lt. Jeff Wentz said. "I can't think of any legitimate purpose for them."

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12958

Orange County, FL man shoots a home invader in the knees with an AK-47. (A truly classic "shoot the gun out of his hand" move, BTW.)

:rolleyes:

For a detective, Wentz sure has trouble finding a clue.


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Standing Wolf
August 2, 2003, 09:30 PM
...he feels all handguns should be banned as well, providing a rough estimate that nearly 80 percent of murders in this country come at the hands of these weapons.

Wrong. 100% of the murders in the United States are committed by murderers, not firearms.

geekWithA.45
August 2, 2003, 09:36 PM
Assemblyman Doug Fisher said education about gun safety is necessary to fight gun violence.

Assemblyman dumbass thinks the 4 rules are about CRIME? :what:

That's like saying Smokey the bear is the best antidote to arson.

Nathaniel Firethorn
August 2, 2003, 09:45 PM
Assemblyman dumbass thinks the 4 rules are about CRIME? :what: Not true. He doesn't think. Period.

Heaven knows what he meant by "education about gun safety." In this place, it'd be more like indoctrination against the evils of self-protection.

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esheato
August 2, 2003, 10:03 PM
And handguns aren't used to hunt, he added.

First of all, why do the loudest people always have to be the most ignorant?

While none called for an all-out ban on firearms -- it would never happen, they said -- all agreed assault weapons, such as AK-47s and Uzis, generally serve no redeeming purpose and should be banned.

"You wouldn't use that to go hunting. You wouldn't use it for home protection," Det. Lt. Jeff Wentz said. "I can't think of any legitimate purpose for them."


Second of all, since when does anything require a specific purpose to be legitimate? It doesn't need to be banned just because someone doesn't realize it's purpose. Technically speaking, any gun could be for killing people...

So he can't think of any LEGITIMATE reason....legitimate in WHO'S eyes? the PD? the majority? who?

Ignorance is the only word that comes to mind.

esheato...

Peter Gun
August 2, 2003, 10:32 PM
Anyone notice the incredibly contradiction of logic?
"Look at the war on drugs. Drugs have been outlawed forever, but people still possess them..."
followed by:
"Pirolli thinks that increased attempts to fight drug trafficking..... could be one way to attack the proliferation of gun violence"

Looks like the drug wars been around so long people cant even consider decriminalizing drugs.

2dogs
August 3, 2003, 09:57 AM
Three Oaklyn, Camden County, teens armed with enough ammunition to battle a small police force embarked last Sunday on a plot to murder three classmates and countless others, but were caught before the carnage began.

Were any of the weapons they had "assault weapons"? IIRC didn't they have pretty standard pistols and rifles? So what in the heck does that have to do with assault weapons? Nada. Just another way to get the thought challenged folks in NJ to vacantly nod their numb little heads in agreement.:rolleyes:

Sean Cloherty
August 3, 2003, 03:04 PM
Besides making note of the redundancy of the title of this thread I would like to make the following observations for the benefit of the officers opining and making jackasses of themselves.

1. A real AK-47 or any variant in the same .30 caliber makes and excellent deer gun by all accounts.

2. 9mm seems to be quite popular in home defense pistols, why not in an UZI?


Facts seem to elude the anti-2 crowd.

Waitone
August 3, 2003, 04:10 PM
A disgruntled former employee entered a Lockheed Martin plant in Mississippi Tuesday and opened fire, killing five before turning the gun on himself. IIRC one of those wounded suffered a shotgun blast to the hand as he reached to disarm the perp. How many people would have been saved injury or death if the gentleman had a handgun in his hand vs an empty hand?

While none called for an all-out ban on firearms -- it would never happen, they said -- all agreed assault weapons, such as AK-47s and Uzis, generally serve no redeeming purpose and should be banned. Define "assault weapon." Please tell me what is so utterly horrible about an "assault weapon" which warrants banning. You can't tell me because you haven't got a clue. You don't know firearms law but you do know Brady agi-prop. If you can be scared off by appearances, I humbly assert you are not fit to be in LE. Booo!

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