[Mark IV Series 80]

If you don't have a Glock, what are the reasons that you haven't gotten one?

(You can vote for as many reasons as apply)

[jdege]

Deep down, they're just ugly :neener:

[yzguy]

you left out, cost (both gun and full cap mags), customer service and warantee (for normal people not cops, I have heard they treated normal people a bit differently).

I don't like paying more for a gun, and when there is a known defect, having to wait until it brakes to get it corrected....

plus I never really liked the way they looked or felt (but I'm sure they are fine guns, I guess).

[cool45auto]

You know, it's weird, I've never seen anyone shooting Glocks when I was at the range. If I did I'd love to try one out. Right now I have no opinion.

[Zeke Menuar]

I don't like the trigger. The grip is too big for my hand.

ZM

[HSMITH]

I had one years ago, made friends with it and grew to respect it. It was quite the reliable piece, made bolt action rifles seem problematic. I owned and shot it for several years, easily 30K rounds through it. I outgrew the accuracy capabilities of that Glock and went on with my 1911 fascination, while dating a few other types in between.

I think the Glock is ugly, blocky, too big around the grip for the caliber in all calibers it is made in, is too thick in all models, has possibly the worst factory sights offered since the GI 1911, points poorly for a 1911 guy or a revolver guy, has a trigger that needs some serious practice to shoot decently, standard capacity magazines are incredibly expensive, is less accurate than most comparable models in price and is really hard on brass. Add to that ^^ the fact that they do not shoot lead bullets easily and I am just not impressed.

That said I just recieved another Glock here a few months ago for a birthday present, completely and totally unexpected. I honestly was not thrilled, but the thought of the gift and my dear wife that gave it to me have me shooting it and working with it. I am re-learning the Glock. What stands out so far (2500 rounds so far) is that it is DEAD RELIABLE and it is simple, as simple as a revolver and maybe even easier to use. It is reasonably accurate for hitting badguys at ranges that defense is practical, if it won't hit them solidly you are far enough away to run. You can put it in the hands of a total novice and they will be doing better with it than anything else available 150 rounds later. Maintenace is simple, parts are cheap and available if you ever needed any, and accessories abound. The manual of arms for them is as simple as anything else on the market.

Again the ugly fat girl (Glock) is starting to catch my eye, and every time I shoot it I feel like I am knocking back the beers and closing time is coming closer. That dang POS is growing on me at a rapid pace, and is climbing the ladder of preference. I don't shoot pistol competitively anymore and if I did it would only be IDPA or IPSC styles so the relative lack of accuracy is even tolerable. I have even put some nice sights on it and bought a good holster, oh the horror my 1911's must be going through:uhoh: :scrutiny: It is not my primary, that is still the P14 I had done, but it is getting closer every day.


The guys and gals out there that are adamantly opposed to the Glocks have never owned one and put 3000 rounds through it, if they did they would not oppose it. The Glock has a definate place and definate value as a defensive/carry handgun.

[stans]

Why should I buy a Glock? I have a S&W 640 and it is no bigger than a sub-compact Glock. It may not hold as many rounds, but I think 357 Magnum is enough to end an altercation and it's the first one or two shots that will usually decide the outcome.

[guns'ahoy]

the springfield xd :D

[Archie]

It has no "soul".


I can't describe it any better than that.

[Tamara]

I've had ten.

I wound up selling all but one for the reason that Archie stated above.

[Chupacabra]

For the most part I just don't like the way they "feel" when shooting them. They are the only guns that actually hurt my hands and pinch when I shoot. Trigger pinch, magazine gap pinch, blocky grips batter the hands...Ouch! But that is mostly with the higher caliber Glocks like the 30 and 23. Poinability is also a bit weird for me...Feels like I'm pushing the gun down to aim. The 9mm models aren't too bad though and I wouldn't mind having a 19.

[Shane]

I have a couple Glocks already.

They work very well, if NOT limpwristed (I can get both Glocks to fail if I limpwrist them, OTOH my Sig 239 doesn't seem to mind limpwristing). I've also never had any parts breakages or rust on either Glock, which is a bonus. I like the easy take down. Most performance aspects are fine with both Glocks.

However, unless I win a third Glock at a GSSF event, I don't think that I will be buying another Glock. I've never like the feel of their grip--neither Glock I have is an ergonomic fit. Most importantly, my main interest is revolvers, and getting more revolvers has top priority over a semi-auto.

[Shane]

I've had ten.

I wound up selling all but one for the reason that Archie stated above.

Please do share with us which model you kept?

[CWatson]

I have three,a 17 and two 19s.I have several Colts,Rugers,and S&W.If I am going somewhere and I need it to go bang I'll grab a Glock because they always do when I pull the trigger.CW

[10-Ring]

I've had a few...a 23, a 17, a 21c & a 36. I agree, they just had no soul.

[andy]

I like the Glock. I never thought I would say this being an old S&W revolver man but it has really grown on me. Some have pointed out that it has no "soul" but I think that is one of the strengths of this gun. It is like a plastic power drill or some other such tool that you can take out in the real world and abuse without worrying about damaging it, and if you do just replace it with another one. Yeah it has all the soul of a screwdriver but screwdrivers can be very useful.

[dsk]

They have no soul, no sex appeal, no collectibility, nor pride of ownership. They are just simply very effective, utilitarian bullet launchers. If you're not into guns and simply need a reliable bullet launcher they're about perfect, because you certainly won't care if it gets damaged or scratched as long as it still works. Me, I'm a gun enthusiast first and a survivalist pseudo-commando distant second, so aside from having just one Glock to do the dirty work that's about all I need.

[New_comer]

The things I don't like:

- Grip, it's just too darn thick & blocky
- Trigger :barf:
- No manual safety
- Aesthetics
- kB's
- Frame recall
- Breechface failures
- They lied about the recall
- simply no character, well ok, if ugly counts... :evil:
- I could see thru it:eek:, I mean, heck, how good-looking can it be if it has salient innards:confused:

Well, come to think of it, it's meant to be hidden... :D:D:D

But, if they'd only reduce the price to, say, $300-350, i'd get a 19/26 in a jiffy!

[New_comer]

I think price should be included in your poll. A Glck costs $850-900 hereabouts... :what:

[firestar]

I hate the fat and square grip. I also don't think the trigger is very safe unless the gun is in a holster that hide the trigger gaurd. My guns go from holster to glove box to wasteband to gun bag to pocket etc. The Glock is basically a singel action pistol with no safety. It is not safe to keep it loaded unless it is well holstered. The facts of life are that sometimes, a gun has to go where I go and I take it off and on and put it other places besides my holster so I need a gun that I feel safe doing this with.

I may be weird but I think the Glocks are some of the best pointing guns you can get. I also like revolvers and Ruger MKIIs so I must like more angle in my handguns. I think the 1911 points too low unless you have practiced enough to correct for this. The Glock points much more naturally. Still, there is not a Glock on the market that tempts me. I had a G-21, sold it, no big deal. I wasn't RoboCop so the grip sucked for me.

[Edward429451]

I'm not a Glock hater but I'll probably sell mine for a Colt/Springfield.

I like the grip.
It points real good for me.
I can live with the blockiness.
I can appreciate the trigger after much practice with it.
Its accurate enough.
It has never malfunctioned on any factory round.
Its Hi-cap.
Its 45ACP.

But it just don't like my reloads. It is much too sensitive for its reloaded ammo. It chokes on stuff one way or the other that my Colt just gobbles up, mostly failures to fire. Commonality of parts and magazines would be a plus also, so I think another 1911 platform is in my future and the G21 is going...going...

[Hkmp5sd]

Have two of them.

[Tacblack]

A couple things but mostly the grip angle is just not like all the other guns I have. Its a killer I can't get over. I have had the 21,23 and 32.

[Jeff Timm]

I've fired the M-17, I've rented and fam fired (50 rounds each) the Model 26 and 22. I shot best with the 26, but that was just a bad day for me. (Too tired.) If I want a compact 9mm to CCW I'd consider the 26. But I still want to fire the SIG 239 and SIG 225.

Geoff
Who likes the idea of renting and trying. Unfortuneately the Mfgs don't make their guns available.

[Mastrogiacomo]

The only thing that's kept me from owning the Glock was my gun permit. That will be changing on Monday....:D ..and I plan to run out and buy the Glock 19 that I've wanted for a year. I know it's ugly -- but my Berettas are pretty and I didn't even buy those just for looks. I bought them because they were great guns, just like the Glock. It's meant to be used not babied. As for the grip -- heard this a thousand times about the Beretta and the fat grip never bothered me with them either. If I listened to all the hype about the my guns being unreliable, too fat in the grip, the plastic guide rod, etc. I'd never would have discovered the best damn gun out there by Pietro Beretta. I bought it without having fired a shot and never regreted it. Never fired the Glock 19 either but that's the gun I want. I'll be following up on the 17 and 26 when I get the income but for now, can't wait until Tuesday when the shops open....;)

[Tamara]

Please do share with us which model you kept?

While the G29 was my personal favorite Glock (it fills a niche that no other pistol does, really) the one I kept was my G30, for sentimental reasons (it was a gift from friends.)

[stevelyn]

I own and carry a Glock 22. I've shot G-17s and 21s. I really like the 21 and it's on my list of guns to buy in the future. When I get it, it's going straight from the dealer to Robar for grip reduction surgery.

[sm]

I'd have to agree with no soul.

Glocks don't like me -I'm serious. I've shared this before- two new Glocks come into my gunsmith's I'm going to open so he can do paperwork. Sights fall off one. The second gun's owner is there and goes out back to shoot it, few mags later ..."here you shoot it."... I fire 3 rds ,trigger breaks. I'm not allowed around them. ;)

I have actually shot them and they are different for me. I'm accustomed to 1911's and K frames. This is really dumb, The Keltec P-11 I have was to fill a niche,started out as a joke and to test. I shoot it better that a G19, I shoot the P-11 better than a number of guns and I can't seem to tear mine up. Guns are weird sometimes.

[WhoKnowsWho]

The lack of a positive safety.

Don't any of you come near me with any gun then. :rolleyes:

[A. Partisan]

I know this is "What keeps you from getting a Glock?". I voted "I have a Glock". I have a G17 and a G21. I love their simplicity, reliability, accuracy, and have grown to love their looks as well. The only changes I have made are the sights and a little polishing on the internals on both. A Glock has as much soul as any other gun.

[Boats]

Anyone who knows me on these boards knows that I have an on again/off again hankering for a G20 since I have huge hands. Everytime I think I might finally buy one, I go and shoot my friend's G20 and then I buy a different firearm, a new knife or something else entirely.

Stumbling blocks:

Just about every firearm I have ever fired "feels" more natural in the hand than any Glock I have ever fired.

Though I appreciate being able to tear it down without tools, I can already do that with my 1911s so this is not such a draw.

I can create no discernable group with a Glock. It must be because I am always subtly regripping the pistol looking for a "sweet spot" that isn't there for my hand. I like the Walther's ability to change the backstraps and its lack of finger grooves better. I like the XD just the way it is as it is a clone of the 1911 grip angle.

5 G-20 full-caps currently cost more than the pistol. High capacity is not that big a deal to me, 8+1 being about as "hi-cap" as I get, but I hate the idea of carrying or having to use Klinton mags in a pistol.

Everytime I draw one, I feel as if I would shoot upwards at a 45 degree angle, as the front sight always presents high for me.

Glock is still apparently co-operating with the BATFE in a ballistics fingerprinting initiative.

They aren't the value that they once were. The XD is more intriguing to me, especially when/if they come out with a .45 and a 10mm.

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So I have never really come all that close to buying a G20. My latest opportunity was last week. I bought more useful plastic and metal made by Dell instead. (New 2.4 gHZ P4, 1GB RAM, 120GB hardrive, GeForce 5800 128MB video card and 17 inch Planar flat panel display arrives next week) My next Glock will be, if any, an electronic representation in some game's weapons mod pack. :evil:

[standingbear]

i hate anything plastic in a real gun.i dont care for the trigger,the sights,the grip and the fact that it has plastic just bout everywhere..i have tried a glock at a friends insistance,im sorry,it just didnt impress me.perhaps because my mind is made up about plastic guns.ive read the tests,seen the demonstrations and just cant bring myself to like the glocks as of yet.

[Loaded]

What keeps me from getting a Glock?

Well, I guess because it's a Glock!

[gbelleh]

I couldn't vote because none of the categories were applicable...

I've owned 2 Glocks (26 and 36) and fired several other models. I sold both of mine, not because I didn't like some particular feature, but I just liked other guns more. I sold the Glocks because I had no strong attachment to them. I'll probably get another someday. Probably a G19. I would probably keep that one.

[firestar]

You forgot that they are over priced for what you get.

[tracer]

If Glock would make a model with the ergonomics of a Hi Power,half the other manufacturers would have to file bankruptcy.
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[Mastrogiacomo]

I find with most things, it's a matter of preference. If you want a gun, chances are you'll love it. If not, you'll always find some reason to justify selling it or not getting one in the first place.

[Soap]

1911s just work better for me. Glock is #2 in my heart though.

[Shmackey]

I don't like the trigger. The grip is too big for my hand.

Exactly.

[Sean Smith]

I've owned several Glocks. I won't own anymore. Once I understood what mattered to me in a handgun, I realized that Glocks lagged in all those things but reliability, e.g.:

Trigger
Ergonomics
Sights
Accuracy

[Tamara]

I find with most things, it's a matter of preference. If you want a gun, chances are you'll love it.

Not necessarily true at all; tastes and priorities change over time.

Once upon a time, I couldn't get enough SIGs and Glocks and HK's and only had a few representative 1911 and S&W revolver examples in my collection. Now, I'm a roach motel for 1911's and S&W wheelguns, and I'm selling off SIGs, Glocks, Berettas and HK's to get more...

[4v50 Gary]

Got two, a M20 & a M21. May pick up a M26 or M27 if I can get it cheap enough.

[A. Partisan]

I ran across this ad.




Kimber Classic Stainless Built by The Action Works.

I need to sell this gun to finance another project. Here is a list of parts, and what Don did to it. $2000.00.

Description

Trigger Job 3 to 3.5 lbs.
Reliability Package
Throat Barrel and Polish Feed Ramp.
Polish and tune Extractor. (TWO).
Polish Breech Face, Trigger race way, Mainspring Housing and Disconnector Opening,
Install Heinie Sights Front and Rear.
Install Tritium Inserts Front and Rear. (Green).
Install Brown Grip Safety.
Install King Ambidextrous Thumb Safety.
Weld up Thumb Safety.
Flare Ejection port (Front).
Install Heinie Mag Well.
Cut off and Crown a 6" Bar-Sto Barrel and Install Barrel and King Bushing.
Tighten Frame to Slide Fit and Lap In.
Flatten and Serrate Top of Slide 40 or 50 LPI with French Border.
Recontour Front Strap for A Higher Grip. (Square or above the Trigger Guard).
Stipple Front strap and Mainspring Housing.
Contour Rear of Slide Frame and Extractor, Serrate to match Heinie Rear Sight.
Smooth - Out (De-Horn) Complete Gun including Bottom of Slide.
Hard Chrome - Satin or Brushed.
Drill Hole in Mainspring Housing for Tac-Ord Lanyard .250 in. hole if possible.
Counter Sink and flatten slide stop.
Cut Mainspring Housing to match Frame.
Cut detent in slide stop.
Comes with two McCormick mags.
I will supply all parts.




Why would'nt I want a 4 Glocks?

[Kahr carrier]

Nothing ,Have one ,good utility gun.:)

[pistolwhipped]

I've got no problem with Glock. I own a 36 and 23 and want a 32 .

[Berg01]

I've tried the G19, liked it a lot, but I already have a Sig P228 that I like better.

[Tamara]

Why would'nt I want a 4 Glocks?

...or eight used Rugers? Or 20 Hi-Points?

[Shake]

They point HIGH for me.

Shake

[themic]

the little trigger tickles me. makes me quiver as i depress the trigger. bad for accuracy.

[Obiwan]

No soul???...obviously sees weapons as an art form rather than a tool

John Farnam put it pretty well...I don't need a $ 2,000 gun....a $500 one works fine for me.

Now...I am sure John owns a few expensive handguns...I know he does..but he carries a Glock

Simple...reliable...accurate...but not for everyone.

Not flashy....just functional.

Want flashy...buy a Kahr !

Ask the guys that run classes what weapon almost never goes down.

And I like the fact that I can have different guns in different calibers that all have the same trigger...and in many cases the same frame.

And I have grown to hate levers/buttons/switches

i just want to pull the trigger and watch it go boom

[Tamara]

Want flashy...buy a Kahr !

I don't believe I've ever heard a Kahr referred to as "flashy" before. ;)

[Top_Notch]

I voted for 'Already own one'

I like it for it's simplicity, utilitarianism, ruggedness, and reliability. It's a no fuss handgun that delivers. It doesn't do everything, but it does enough things well enough that it should be considered.

[A. Partisan]

Tamara


...or eight used Rugers? Or 20 Hi-Points?


I own 1 P89, I might have to get me 7 more:D. I am a Glock fan, not a Glock fanatic. I just can't get my cheap a$$, penny pinching mind to justify spending $2000.00 or more of my hard earned cash for a pistol. In this day and age there aren't many products out there worth what you have to pay for them. All firearms have their idiosyncrasies. The bottom line is............... without practice a person won't even be proficient with a pea shooter. Just my opinion.


Have a good day,
A

[Boiler_G]

I have only dry fired a Glock 23, but it did not feel good at all. Of course I am spoiled by the nice trigger pulls of 1911's, so what can I expect. Maybe someday if there is a really good deal on a 19, I would think about it.

[Tamara]

Oh, there's nothing particularly wrong with them at all. It's just that there are X+1 guns on the planet, and I only have X dollars.

Given an unlimited budget, I'd own one of every Glock model made, but I don't have an unlimited budget, and, sadly, I am one of those folks that'd rather have one $2,000 1911 than four Glocks. If I wanted to get another bucks-up 1911, it meant that some other stuff had to go.

[greyhound]

Too darn expensive here!

[JohnBT]

The grip is too thick and square for me.

The slide is too wide for me.

The grip angle is designed for somebody other than me.

John

Thank goodness my hand is apparently shaped like J. M. Browning's since it certainly isn't shaped like G. Glock's.

[Ala Dan]

ATT: All Glockster's-

I've owned several (models 17, 23, and 27), and while
I basically like Glock's; I just happen to like SIG's
better. That is, the SIG "Classic P-series" line. But, I
would perfer the Glock as opposed to the SIG-Pro's.
I don't currently own any Glock's; but I found the G-27
a hard package to beat!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[denfoote]

I have MANY Glocks!! :D

That's the one I chose!!

Boy, when you get sucked back in, it get's worse!!! :eek:

[JeepDriver]

I have 2 Glocks. Both are 17's. I've been very happy with both.

[Obiwan]

Tamara

I meant that I see Kahr as kind of a "flashy glock"

You know...you can get the nice shiny slide...or frame...etc....more flavors.

But no levers...hate levers....

Sorry...better now!

Oh yeah...pund for pound Rugers are fine guns...maybe the best...pound for pound...yeah...I think they are too big and heavy....

and they have levers!!!!!!!!!!!1

[SnWnMe]

Had a Glock (22). Sold it. Never missed it.

[A. Partisan]

Variety is the spice of life.

[Waste of Money]

Tough choice between:
- the grip is too fat for my hands
- I don't care for the feel of or trust the trigger

I've never seen one fail and I think they're excellent weapons. Just not for me.

[444]

I own a Glock (Model 17) and previously owned another Glock (21). I have also fired most of the Glocks commonly available.
I wouldn't buy another one. They don't pull my chain. I guess the biggest reason is that I can't shoot one well. It might be that I need to get used to it, spend more time at it or whatever, but I don't really see any reason to do so.

[JERRY]

i have a 65-3 4" that i will trade straight up for any caliber glock you do not want.















i didnt think i'd get any takers from the glock haters....LOL.

[Tamara]

i didnt think i'd get any takers from the glock haters....LOL.

Y'know, I don't think I've seen a single post from a "Glock hater" in this thread... :scrutiny:

[JERRY]

i thought you, a moderator, would have known what i meant by that.
guess not. my offer still stands. im a clinton wesson hater and have a "pre- lock" 65-3 4" for swap for a too thick grip, non resetting striker....blab bla bla glock.



get it now? it is a joke.......... but the offer still stands.

[Tamara]

If it was a 3" RB and I still had my G23C lying around, I might take you up on that, but I already traded it for a Kimber. ;) (I did trade my G33 for a used 3" 640, though. :D )

[444]

I really don't trade guns, but of course if the price was right........
I already have a Model 66, 4" but I paid a lot more for the Glock.

[HBK]

I had a Glock 19 for a while. I traded it for a Walther P-99 and haven't looked back. I do still have a Glock 29. I just like the 29, I don't know why. It might be something about all that power in a small package. I carry it when I'm going camping or hiking.

[Zundfolge]

They just seem a little too expensive when there are so many other guns of equal quality out there for less money ... if you have to spend more money, at least with the fancy schmancy 1911s you have a piece of art (no, I don't own any fancy schmancy 1911s ... yet).

There are just too many other guns that would fill the niche of any particular Glock that I would want and would probably cost less (with the possible exception of the G29 ... and if I ever own a Glock that will probably be the only one, unless someone else builds a subcompact 10mm ... a nice thin single-stack).

[PATH]

Why buy Glock when you can have a Sig, H&K, or Walther? Glock is good but it just does not do a thing for me.

[Majic]

The Glock doesn't point well for me. Neither does it feel right in my hand. So I guess the main reason I don't own one is "IT IS JUST PLAIN BUTT UGLY".

[dleong]

I do not own any Glock pistols, but have shot quite a number of them belonging to other club members. They shot well enough and were reasonably accurate. However, the grips were too "blocky" (I felt like I was holding a 2 X 4) and angled too far forward for my liking. Trigger take-up felt mushy and the break was anything but crisp.

As a reloader, the lack of adequate chamber support in most glocks would make me hesitant to shoot my reloads through them, particularly the ones chambered in 40S&W.

Glock pistols, in my opinion, also tend to be somewhat overpriced.

DL

[Island Beretta]

The G19 with its low weight, high capacity, quick trigger and fast target reacquisition time is a powerful magnet for me, so much so that I can live with the 'faults'. Quite a few can attest to this I am sure!!;)

[Starpower]

About 50 years ago, (I think) my department changed over from a "wheel gun" to S/A. We had to go through a Semi Auto conversion class, and the class came up before I could get my own, so I borrowed a 17 from a buddy and used it in the class. During this class I was able to shoot others Sig's, Beretta's and S&W. I was very impressed with the Sig 226 and when one became available, I bought it. (But I regress) The Glock was ok, and handled very well, and I could shoot it ok, but I thought the slide release was TOO close to the frame, and I couldn't easily release the slide after reload without changing my grip, then trying to find the proper grip again before shooting the next round. Both the Baretta and Sig was a lot easier to release. The guy that owned that Glock was in the habit of releasing the slide by pulling back on the slide a little and releasing. I thought that took too long and didn"t want to change to new habits. I ended up buying a 226, which I sold and bought a 229, when we went to 357, and a 92FS, but no Glock.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

[Mastrogiacomo]

The Police Department in my city only uses Glocks -- which are less expensive than Sigs and H&K. Everytime I think of getting a Sig, I ask myself why bother when I can get a Beretta or Glock for so much cheaper -- in my area anyway.

[Tamara]

The police department in my city drives Fords and uses Motorola radio equipment, too. ;) :D

[Mastrogiacomo]

Cops in my city drive the lastest cars and trucks -- so the department stays on top of trends. I don't have any second thoughts about buying my Glock -- I've heard the same debate with the Berettas -- and neither of my Berettas has yet to give me trouble or fail. I never believe the hype.:D

[Khornet]

WHAT slide release? I've never used it except as a device to hold the slide back. I just pull back on the slide after a reload, never have to change my grip or anything. Couldn't be easier.

Got my G22 for $349 in '94 with 2 hicaps at a going-out-of-business sale and have never regretted it. Now I've never owned or fired any of those nice Sigs, H&Ks, Wilsons etc. so I can't say which is better, but I have no problem carrying and concealing mine and I don't have to remember to do anything to fire it. I just have to remember to keep it holstered unless shooting, and the holster never comes off except to go into the safe. No problem here.

[Obiwan]

I would have to agree with IB

I think the G19 is just about the perfect all-around handgun

And to those that say Glocks are too expensive...

Where do you people shop???????????????

YMMV:D

[RandyB]

I've looked , but never leaped. I am really more interested in the springfield now.

[taoshooter]

I wouldn't buy a Glock just because I tried two of them and hated them both - some guns fit great but for me at least, the Glock is not one of them - at least the ones that I tried so far. Never say never though.

(and life's too short to spend with an ugly gun.:D )

[jacketch]

Two that you left off are:

- Already sold 'em

- Because they are not designed by J.M.Browning

In classic semi-auto pistols I prefer the 1911, BHP and even the Colt1903/08.
Having sold several Glocks, I can say I much prefer Sig's where modern guns are concerned. I can understand that someone would like the reliability of a Glock and that is worth quite a bit to many people. I however don't like lots of things about them.

[CZ52GUY]

I've got a Gen 1 G22 & a Gen 3 G23.

I enjoy them both. The triggers took A LOT of getting used to.

However, I have found them to be accurate once you get past the trigger adjustment, and incredibly reliable.

For autoloading pistols, I also own a Ruger (P95DC), Sig(SP2009), Browning (BDA-380), CZ (75B Military), as well as a C&R CZ-52 & Bulgarian Makarov.

Each have their pro's & con's, but I can't say that I really dislike any of them. I'd say my Sig is probably my best handgun, with the CZ-75B being the most accurate, far better than me.

However, the Glocks have NEVER EVER JAMMED, not once. The Sig hasn't yet either, but have only had it for a short time. The others have each gone through "bad days" at the range, which I've ultimately traced to "ammo' fussiness", or aftermarket mag's (I've become a strong believer in factory mag's) not feeding properly, etc., etc., etc., but the Glocks have gone bang EVERY TIME, no matter what.

There's something to be said for that...

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133977&highlight=Jannuzzo

For me, the more compelling reason to question the purchase of a Glock was based on the topic of the thread provided above...both mine were purchased used, and Jannuzzo has long since departed, but some disturbing doubts about Glock Inc. linger, even though I believe that they make a fine product.

Safe shooting,

CZ52'

[1goodshot]

Money is the only thing that keeps me from buying another one.

[txgolfer45]

What's not to like??? They are extremely reliable, easy to shoot, easy to conceal carry. Meet all the requirements of a CCW.

I'm happy with my G19, G26 and G23!!!

Scott

[Gewehr98]

And sold it, fairly quickly, an early Model 17. Should've kept the hi-cap magazines, though, they would definitely have been an investment. The gun? Hard as I try, I just couldn't get used to the feel and the action. Cool thing was, the money from the sale went into a 1911. ;)

[foghornl]

////Now installing asbestos knickers....

I don't like polymer frame weapons. For me, frames should be metal.

I have shot various Glocks a few times, but they just don't seem to "fit" my hands very well.

[cleve land]

Self-respect.:p

[Mastrogiacomo]

I've heard all these "It doesn't feel right" and "self-respect" arguements knocking the Berettas for years. If a female shooter can handle a Beretta in any size, I don't know why it's such a problem for guys. As far as the other remarks, I still think most people just prefer another gun and need an excuse. The Glock does what it's paid to do, it's not meant to be pretty or to please the masses. I hope I'll have the money to continue buying them -- and add to my growing German family of firearms...:D

[Rich357]

What keeps me from getting a Glock? Nothing. I own several Glocks and may well buy more Glocks.

Rich

[TheeBadOne]

I own 2 and am looking at getting a 3rd (10 mm). As someone once said;
"It's the ugly gun that shoots like heck!"

-forgotten

[RepublicanMan]

And the knowledge that plastic belongs in the wallet or the toybox. :D

[Pocket Pistol]

Had a ( 26 or 27 ) the 40 S&W ( never can remember which it was ) sold it and got a Kahr.
It was to thick and did not fit my hand, just did not do it .

[Tamara]

it's not meant to ... please the masses.

That's exactly what a Glock was meant to do. ;)

I've heard all these "It doesn't feel right" and "self-respect" arguements knocking the Berettas for years. If a female shooter can handle a Beretta in any size, I don't know why it's such a problem for guys.
Because there's more to handgun fit and feel than whether you're a guy or a girl: hand size, finger length, ratio of fingers to palm, fat hand or thin hand, et cetera, ad nauseum...

[Ian11]

For many. The need to feel superior over other gunowners.

Squeeze the trigger. The Glock goes bang. I like all reliable guns. What's not to like?:rolleyes:

[Mastrogiacomo]

I had a delay with my Class A permit. Thought I'd get the upgrade the same day -- found out, that's not how it works. Hopefully, I'll pick it up this coming week or next and I'll be shopping for my Glock 19. Haven't seen an arguement yet to deter me from buying this gun. I plan to buy more....

[Tamara]

Haven't seen an arguement yet to deter me from buying this gun.

Why would anyone try and talk you out of it? Buy nine or ten; I did. :D

[Greg Bell]

my brain

[A. Partisan]

Mr. Bell,
If "Why buy crap?" refers to Glocks, there is something wrong with your brain. Having not owned or for that matter shot every make and model of hand gun made I'm sure there are some that are "crap". A Glock is definitely not in that category.

[jetman]

mostly visuals.... to me they are FUGLY, and I've never gotten used to that hinged trigger deal!

[BZ422]

I fall into the "already have one" category. I was never a huge fan of them, based mainly on looks alone. I am required to use a Glock 23 for duty and about 2300rnds later I wouldn't give it up for anything. Would I buy another one? Probably, but have no need for any more weapons currently. They only other Glock that caught my eye was the longslide .40cal (can't remember model number). In my experience the G23 has been utterly reliable, more so than most weapons I've owned that cost 2-3 times more. Nothing bad to say on my end about'em! :)

[YodaVader]

There were many items on the list that apply! The Glock is one pistol that absolutely positively has no appeal to me whatsoever - have no desire to ever own any of the current or past models.

First fired one in the late 80's - a 9mm , not sure of the numerical designation - possibly the 17? Did not like the way the pistol felt in my hand (the grip) , did not like the way it pointed for me and the trigger was horrid. Thought the muzzle flip was ridiculous for such a minimal cartridge. The fact that it was the ugliest firearm I had ever seen only added to the disappointment! Did not derive the least bit of pleasure shooting that particular pistol - could not then and still cannot understand today why anyone would ever want one?

Was at the range watching these Glock shooters spray bullets all over the place and then stating - "You can't beat a Glock" . I just shake my head :rolleyes:

As one post stated in another forum "Mostly stamped steel and plastic with loose tolerances which results in a pistol that is extremely cheap to produce but is sold at a high cost to the consumer."

[djf]

The safetys are equivalent to carrying a 1911 cocked without the safety on. 4.5 pounds on the trigger and it goes bang.

My P229 and 239 need 10-11 to make it go bank, which is much safer IMHO.

[XavierBreath]

I owned a G26 for a while, with the intent of making it a carry gun. It was a bit to fat though. Then one afternoon at the range, the thing started punching holes 4 inches to the left. The rear sight could be moved over with your fingers. It was hanging over to the side.

Things I liked about it were it's indestructible finish, and undeniable reliability. Until I had the sight issue, I felt like I could live with the fatness in a CCW. Sure, a set of Xpress sights would have fixed the problem, but then I saw a pistol that I liked better.

Things that have kept me from getting another Glock are:
Calling slide rail failures and repair an "upgrade" instead of a recall. (I hate liars)
Giving Police Departments cut rate deals just to get the gun used by Police officers. (I despise deceptive marketing)
The whole Glock Perfection thing, and being associated with shooters who spray and pray. (Want perfection? punch out ragged bullseyes with a 1911.)
Making 9mm pistols into 40S&W pistols with a magazine and barrel change.
Plastic sights are not a good idea, and steel sights would not cost much more.
Finger grooves.
I dislike the trigger.
Accuracy was only OK, and was not a redeeming feature for the shortcomings.

In the end, to me at least, it seems as if Glock does not care one whit about it's customers, and I sometimes wonder how they keep such a loyal following. My dislike is not so much about the pistol, as it is about the company. I just do not like the way they do business. Toss is a couple of things that I don't really care for such as plastic sights and finger grooves, and give me an alternative.................I'll buy something else.

[TheFederalistWeasel]

Owned a Glock 19 for all of 72 hours, shot it once, came to my senses sold it, never looked back.

[Poohgyrr]

Ummm, I dunno. How about the new 'fridge we just bought? I'd prefer another Glock, but the wife wanted a 'fridge and she kinda thinks I have enough Glocks for now :(***

But I'm still looking for a way.........:what:

[Sheslinger]

I am far from an expert but, personal preferences aside (ugliness, trigger being too light, etc), you listed so many true issues with them, that possibly the answer should be, "Too many known problems".

As it stands, actually, I am considering one, looks be damned!!

Sheslinger

[sig970]

Sold my G19 which felt like a 2x4 in my hands. Never liked the trigger.

Moved on to Beretta, Kimber, & Sig Sauer

[Dorrin79]

I don't care for their ergonomics, mainly.
Plus I haven't felt a need for one.

However, I'll definitely give the compact Glock (26?) a good long look when I trade my P11 for something I can shoot better. My intuition based on handling (but not shooting) is that the Kahr K9 fits my hand better, plus it's slimmer and aesthetically pleasing (not that I buy guns for their looks, but ceteris paribus I'll take pretty over fugly any day)

[Fed168]

Right now, money keeps me from getting another one. Spent that money on a Sig.

[tetchaje1]

My biggest peeve with Glock is the corporate policy of lying to the consumer and covering up problems that could very well cost people their lives.

Everything is a "voluntary upgrade" -- not a recall -- including such things as the trigger/sear modification a while back that would prevent them from going full auto, and the frame rails breaking off. Not to mention problems with kB!s, sloppy, over-expanded brass, cracked breechfaces, cheap sights, a spongy trigger, and the ergonomics of a 2x4.

I will say that the Glocks that I have shot have been accurate and reliable, and I will say that it is a fine weapon, but I will never own one because of the problems mentioned above. The problem of the pistol not having a "soul" is also a serious consideration for me, and the pistols really don't move me with excitement to shoot them like my P7M8 or Razorback...

[modifiedbrowning]

I hate the way it feels in my hand and it doesn't point well for me at all. I much prefer the P99, it is a Glock Perfected.:D

[Dr.Rob]

Good points: I liked the model 17, it was light, easy to sight (like looking down a 4 lane hi-way) simple and inexpensive.

However, hi-caps are NOT cheap, and I don't like the compact models (ergonomics). The slide stop (yeah thats what its for) is a bit small and it does require me to alter my grip on the gun, which is something i don't like. In 9mm the plastic/polymer frame didn't bother me but in the larger model 21, I can FEEL the frame flex in my hand (not everyone agrees with me on this point, maybe I've got more sensitive hands than you, or my mag wasn't prperly seated.)

The biggest beef I have with the glock is the safety. Call me old fashioned, but I still don't like the idea of the trgger as the only positive safety on the gun. Sure a 4.5 lb pull is the same as a 1911, but I wouldn't carry one cocked with the safety off either. I'd be tempted to get a hardshell holster until I was comfy with it, or get a NY trigger.