final say on case lubing


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kennedy
February 12, 2008, 05:16 PM
Ok, on case lubing, we all know if you use lee carbide sizing pistol dies you do not have to lube the cases. we know this because it says so on the instructions lee sends you with the dies. and we know you do not have to lube the cases for rifles if you only neck size, also in the directions from lee. but what about full lenght sizing rifle cases with lee dies, are they carbide, or not? the instruction are not so clear as in-use diluted lee case lube to make the sizing easier and you do not need to lube everyone, as lube for one will transfer to others in the die. so lube or not for full sizing rifle cases?

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Roadkill
February 12, 2008, 05:27 PM
If its a rifle case I lube it. Period. I use wax for big rounds and Detron II for223. Spend an hour trying to knock one out and see if you won't lube next time.

30Cal
February 12, 2008, 06:03 PM
Dillon makes a carbide FL sizing die. Redding makes a carbide expander ball. I don't think Lee makes any carbide rifle dies.

Lube any tapered case (whether the die is carbide or not). That definitely means all bottle necked rifle cases, and bottle necked pistol cases.

I highly recommend lubing every one if your FL resizing--especially mid-caliber (7mm'ish) and larger. When you tear the rim of a case trying to get it back out of the die, the need for lube will become obvious. You'll need to lube the case wall (not the shoulder/neck). You'll also need to occasionally lube the inside of the case mouth (I use a pencil), otherwise, the expander ball will pull the shoulder forward.

paperpuncher49
February 12, 2008, 06:34 PM
Absolutely, positively lube any, repeat any case that is full length sized except straight-walled pistol/revolver cases that are sized with carbide dies.
And I believe the only company currently making carbide dies for bottle-necked cases is Dillon. They offer a .223 and .308 carbide sizing die AND specifically state the carbide is for long life.....lube IS required.

stubbicatt
February 12, 2008, 06:43 PM
As easy as it is to do the deed with a spritzer bottle with lee case lube diluted 5 to 1 in a 50/50 solution of tap water and iso alcohol and a ziplock freezer bag, there is no reason not to lube.

ADKWOODSMAN
February 12, 2008, 07:06 PM
Lube any tapered case (whether the die is carbide or not). That definitely means all bottle necked rifle cases, and bottle necked pistol cases. To quote 30cal.

I use white mica when neck sizing.

Ben Shepherd
February 12, 2008, 09:57 PM
Yep, tapered cases get lubed, PERIOD.

Straightwall calibers with carbide sizing dies? A little spritz with dillon case lube or the hornady version in the case feeder on the 650, let them tumble around normally as you load, and you're good to go.

zxcvbob
February 12, 2008, 10:21 PM
"Tapered case" includes .30 Carbine; lube even with carbide dies. But they don't necessarily need good lube. (I use silicone spray)

9mm is tapered too, but it's so short you don't need to lube it with carbide dies.

jenrob
February 13, 2008, 01:06 AM
If it says or has anything to do with rifle it better be lubed. Otherwise you'll be thinking the only way I'm getting that out of there is with a cutting torch.

I spray all my pistol brass with Hornady one shot this is not needed but make for a smoother run through the progressive. And anything that goes into the single stage gets imperial sizing wax (even pistol).

Now the only rifle I use one shot on is .223 in the progressive that I know is just toss in the case feeder and load but for the bolt 223 I use the wax on it also.

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