Yugo vs. WASR


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thisismygun
February 12, 2008, 10:30 PM
Well, I'm looking to buy my first (yes, first) gun. I have decided on the AK variants. I'm in the below $450 price range, and I was close to getting a WASR, but I read a few negative reviews or suggestions that I should get a Yugo instead. I'm currently investigating this one:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Yugoslavian_AK_M70AB1_7.62x39_Rifle.html


A few notes; I won't be able to "hand pick" them (buying online - i.e. can't tell if WASR is canted), I honestly cannot go over $450 or I'll get my rear handed to me :( , and I'm a huge gun noobie. I'm doing as much research as I can, and I was also directed here so I'm guessing somebody here knows what they're talking about :cool:

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hso
February 12, 2008, 10:32 PM
Welcome to THR!

Yugo all the way over the Romanian WASR.

Hoppy590
February 12, 2008, 10:34 PM
i own a WASR

my votes YUGO.

wasrs are alright if you just want a beater.

squirrel sniper
February 12, 2008, 10:34 PM
I've got a WASR 10 that has canted sights. I havent fixed it, i just adjusted the sights till it was close. I dont have a problem with it being off a little. If i wanted a benchrest gun, i would have gotten a benchrest gun. If your looking for something to start with, a WASR should be fine

bigcozy
February 12, 2008, 10:40 PM
If the Yugos are still $429, that is the best price on the web, I have researched it. Classicarms has them at the same price. You need to figure shipping and FFL transfer. Last rifles I had shipped from AIM were about $28 and FFL transfer is usually $20, so keep that in mind. I am ordering a Yugo Monday, I think the M70's and the AMD-65s are the best deals on the market.

thisismygun
February 12, 2008, 10:46 PM
Yeah I'm considering the fees too. The Yugo on AIM is $420, so with fees I'm looking at $478. Its a little over my price range... but... if it is truly better, I may have to make a sacrifice... Won't be happy, but maybe the quality of a Yugo will cheer me up..

Stuartx09
February 12, 2008, 11:09 PM
I just bought a Yugo for my wife's birthday and I am very pleased with it. She can't wait to go shoot it this weekend. I did a lot of research before I bought It. Go with a Yugo, you wont be disappointed.

thisismygun
February 12, 2008, 11:21 PM
Glad to hear that Stuart, I think I'm going to pony up and get the Yugo. The WASR sounds decent, but I don't want to fork over about $400 and be weary of what could have been... My gun collection may start and stop with the first gun I buy, so I guess its best to get the higher quality now.


Thanks for all the responses guys, greatly appreciated. I hope sometime soon I'll be able to post my satisfaction with it.

stubbicatt
February 13, 2008, 09:15 AM
The Yugo I had was a tack driver. Sights were nice and crisp. Only issue I had with it was that the gas block was terribly corroded. It still functioned just fine, but that thing was gnarly.

RP88
February 13, 2008, 10:49 AM
after it's all said and done, a WASR is about 70 bucks less than a Yugo (~$410 vs. ~$480) after all shipping, tax, and fees from aimsurplus, classic, etc.

that extra 70 bucks gets you a better fit, finish, durability, better parts (i.e. not screwed up, old, or canted), and better accuracy. Go with the Yugo unless that extra 70 bucks means alot to you

all in all, you'll still be saving about 150 bucks buying one online then you will at most gun stores (around me, in-store Yugo underfolders go for $599.99 :()

strat81
February 13, 2008, 10:53 AM
I also own a WASR and I'll vote Yugo as well. I love my WASR, but it's not the greatest.

bigcozy
February 13, 2008, 11:06 AM
Forgot to say the Hungarian AMD-65s are going for $399 at classicarms. I decided to go Yugo, that is a good deal IMHO.

Mikee Loxxer
February 13, 2008, 11:40 AM
Get the Yugo. You should get the best Kalashnikov you can afford as one day you won't be able to get them at all.

GTSteve03
February 13, 2008, 11:44 AM
Don't the current Yugos have non-chromed barrels that are made here in the US?

If you want a chrome bore for better longevity, you might want to just stick with the WASR.

TheGrimReaper
February 13, 2008, 12:11 PM
+1 for the Yugo.

Lonestar.45
February 13, 2008, 12:12 PM
Get the WASR, and spend the money you saved on mags and ammo, which are both going up in price every day. I bough a WASR from AIM and love it. I refnished the wood with 9 coats of tung oil and it looks 100% better. It shoots great too. The Yugos are very nice, but in the end it is still an AK and I doubt one would be more accurate than my WASR.

The problems you read about with the WASR I think occurred several years back. There's no more trigger slap, as they use the Tapco G2 triggers now. The canting of the front sight is old news, they've gotten a lot better at putting them together. I haven't seen one with canted sights in a long time, but for a while there they were pretty common.

I'd say go for it, and buy as many mags as you possibly can. I have a very strong feeling that imported hi cap mags for AKs are going to go the way of the dinosaur within the next few years due to the shifting political winds. I may be wrong, but I'm not taking any chances.

thisismygun
February 13, 2008, 03:33 PM
Hmm still some mixed reviews I see.

Get the WASR, and spend the money you saved on mags and ammo, which are both going up in price every day. I bough a WASR from AIM and love it. I refnished the wood with 9 coats of tung oil and it looks 100% better. It shoots great too. The Yugos are very nice, but in the end it is still an AK and I doubt one would be more accurate than my WASR.

The problems you read about with the WASR I think occurred several years back. There's no more trigger slap, as they use the Tapco G2 triggers now. The canting of the front sight is old news, they've gotten a lot better at putting them together. I haven't seen one with canted sights in a long time, but for a while there they were pretty common.

I'd say go for it, and buy as many mags as you possibly can. I have a very strong feeling that imported hi cap mags for AKs are going to go the way of the dinosaur within the next few years due to the shifting political winds. I may be wrong, but I'm not taking any chances.Well you seem satisfied with the WASR. I guess I'm still on the fence with this. The price certainly attracts me, and according to you it doesn't have all the problems people said it has (anymore).


Also someone mentioned a chrome barrel, is this something I'd miss with the Yugo?

nwilliams
February 13, 2008, 04:03 PM
Yugo no question about it.

I love my M70B1, its far nicer than the Romanian I owned a few years ago by leaps and bounds.

thisismygun
February 13, 2008, 04:11 PM
I should have put a poll option here... Eh I guess I'll count it the old fashioned way, polls are for rigged elections anyway ;)

Thanks for the input nwilliams, I'm taking that into consideration.

Hoppy590
February 13, 2008, 04:15 PM
the WASRS still have issues with canted front sights. they are much rarrer than the past. but of the ones i looked at when i bought mine, atleast one of them had a noticibly canted sight. and event he one i have seems straight but i bet if you ran a plum line or something you will see a cant, but it doesnt effect the aim.

the chrome lines barrel is kinda a toss up. some people say your gun will disintegrate to rust in a matter of seconds with out it. others will say its H.S.

owning a wasr. if i could have gotten a yugo ( MA has an AWB so my WASR is the ban style with out bayo lug or slant brake) i would have in a heart beat

.45&TKD
February 13, 2008, 04:15 PM
Yugo!

Bart Noir
February 13, 2008, 05:08 PM
I don't see chrome lining as an issue as long as you are not shooting a full auto version, or firing so much the handguard is smoking.

Nobody has mentioned that the Yugo is noticably heavier since the receiver is made of thicker metal. Is that good, or is that bad? As the gunwriters say, you decide.

And I have the Yugo underfolder.

Bart Noir

ohioarmedneutrality
February 13, 2008, 06:34 PM
I have a WASR and love it. If you can afford a Yugo, go ahead. But just remember, any AK is better than no AK.
And I second Lonestar's word on hi-cap AK mags. Buy as many as you can. Regardless of what happens in November, they likely will never be going down in price.

thisismygun
February 13, 2008, 07:17 PM
How many mags are enough mags? :\

LeibstandarteAdH
February 13, 2008, 07:28 PM
Yugo by FAR.

Lonestar.45
February 13, 2008, 08:50 PM
The majority here will say get the Yugo. It is more expensive, and a little nicer.
But, in the end it is still an AK. I'm the kind of guy that likes to get all the "goodies" when I buy something. I don't want to buy a gun and not be able to afford a bunch of mags, nice sling, ammo, scope, case, etc. I want all of it.

Sounds like you are tight on cash. Get the WASR now, while you can, and mags and all the rest. Do not wait. I have watched prices of everything gun related going up up up the last few years. They won't get any cheaper than right now.

hit or miss
February 13, 2008, 08:59 PM
Haven't seen any problems out of my WASR yet! Although I haven't gotten the chance to shoot much yet. I still need more ammo and mags.

elmerfudd
February 13, 2008, 11:10 PM
The Yugo is a great buy, while the WASR isn't. I'm not going to bash it and say it's a rip off, it's just that you get a very crude rifle for your $380 while for $70 more you get a much nicer one. The WASR still works fine, but someday you might want to sell it and I guarantee you that you'll get back more of your money on the Yugo.

smokingun45
February 14, 2008, 01:36 PM
I have a safe half filled with AK's and the Yugo's do appear to be better quality. That said, WASR is my throw on the ATV & go shootin at the airstrip gun. Thousands of rounds thru it with nary a MF. I would buy a YUGO if it was my only one...YMMV:)

KBintheSLC
February 14, 2008, 02:32 PM
I almost bought a WASR... but decided to float the extra $$$ for a Yugo. I have not regretted it for one second. The Yugo is a great rifle and works flawlessly out of the box... the WASR is just ok, they work but may require some effort to fix the canted sights.
If you can, buy a Yugo. If not, make sure you inspect a WASR before buying it... avoid online transactions. You might get a real POS. Some are not too bad though... hence the visual inspection.


The Yugo is a great buy, while the WASR isn't. I'm not going to bash it and say it's a rip off, it's just that you get a very crude rifle for your $380 while for $70 more you get a much nicer one.
Elmerfudd,
I'm not sure where you saw these prices but around here the WASR is about $350, and the Yugo is $525-$560 for new guns. You can generally plan on spending $150-200 more for a Yugo if you buy it locally.

Bazooka Joe71
February 14, 2008, 02:56 PM
'm not sure where you saw these prices but around here the WASR is about $350, and the Yugo is $525-$560 for new guns. You can generally plan on spending $150-200 more for a Yugo if you buy it locally.

AimSurplus (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Yugoslavian_AK_M70AB2_7.62x39_Under-Folder_Rifle.html) has them for $430.

I was getting ready to get one from there when I found this one (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=339571)


They are $80 more than the WASR at aim, but I think it is $80 well spent.



BTW, my vote is for Yugo as well. :)

strat81
February 14, 2008, 04:05 PM
How many mags are enough mags? :\
How many do you think is enough? Now multiply that number by 5. :)

I have 9 mags for my AK... I'd like to get that number up to 25.

thisismygun
February 14, 2008, 04:11 PM
Hah, I see, the math doesn't lie.



Well, since I'm in between jobs right now, I'm going to hold out a little longer until I'm finally hired (homeland security is extremely slow). When I do get the job, I guess I'll be going with the Yugo. It sounds like its worth the wait.

collateral
February 14, 2008, 04:22 PM
My WASR-10 shoots well, but it definitely isnt a pretty rifle, by any means.

Considering that the prices of the WASRs keep climbing, I would suggest putting a little more money down for the better rifle. Go with the Yugo, you definitely won't be disappointed.

Bazooka Joe71
February 14, 2008, 07:13 PM
I am getting ready to order a bunch from aim, so anyone living in Southern Indiana that needs some shoot me a PM and we could get them all at the same time and save on shipping + buying in bulk.

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