Thinking about a SA M1A


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NC-Mike
February 13, 2008, 08:47 AM
Looking at a new standard M1A from Springfield.

I started collecting two years ago and now have a bunch of rifles I don't shoot. I found that I like semi-auto, high-powered scoped rifles and think I would enjoy the M1A.

Any suggestion or feelings on whether a Fulton is the way to go on a M1A or is the Springfield Armory model a sound choice?

Anyone know if the Fulton receiver is forged? Should I even be concerned that the Springfield receiver is a cast part?

Thanks.

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H2O MAN
February 13, 2008, 08:58 AM
Chinese (Norinco & Poly Tech), LRB and some SEI receivers are forged.

If you want a ready to go, off the shelf M14 type rifle with a forged receiver and USGI parts buy an LRB.

If you have the extra $ and don't mind waiting you can have SEI build what you want on an LRB or Chinese receiver.

SEI has built four outstanding military style M14s for me - all 4 are built on forged Chinese receivers.

Good luck :)

NC-Mike
February 13, 2008, 09:22 AM
Chinese (Norinco & Poly Tech), LRB and some SEI receivers are forged.

If you want a ready to go, off the shelf M14 type rifle with a forged receiver and USGI parts buy an LRB.

If you have the extra $ and don't mind waiting you can have SEI build what you want on an LRB or Chinese receiver.

SEI has built four outstanding military style M14s for me - all 4 are built on forged Chinese receivers.

Good luck

So, is there a concern with the SA cast recievers?

Here's the situation. I would like to make a trade for this Springfield M1A rather then try to sell a bunch of rifles on gunbroker. I'd rather trade for the one he has in the shop unless there is a good enough reason not to go for the Springfield. Thanks again.

Andrewsky
February 13, 2008, 10:41 AM
No, there is absolutely nothing wrong with SAI's receivers. Fulton receivers are cast as well (actually they don't have a supplier anymore so there's a long wait).

Get an SAI.

Kingcreek
February 13, 2008, 10:50 AM
There are a lot of SA M1As out there banging away with no problems, and if you do happen to have a problem SA has a lifetime guarantee.
I have 2 and have never had any issues. I would like to know what the return-for-service rate really is for SA and for the other mfgs. I see what all the internet experts say about this but I doubt if its an issue in the real world.

H2O MAN
February 13, 2008, 10:50 AM
You could get an out of spec receiver from Springfield Armory, Inc.
They are not common, but they do happen. The problem usually
shows up when you try to install a scope mount. That said, Springers
are usually pretty good for the money.

NC-Mike
February 13, 2008, 11:03 AM
Thanks guys.

glockman19
February 13, 2008, 11:58 AM
Springfield makes a great rifle. I'd actually pay a little more and get a M1A "Loaded" model. Springfield offers lifetime warranty and many other upgrade options.

24kshooter
February 13, 2008, 12:03 PM
The "loaded" is a bit better deal IMO if you have the Xtra $'s.

silverlance
February 13, 2008, 12:19 PM
i have a question.
how do you plan to use this rifle?

as a DMR? as a MBR? MOUT? CQC?

to each use, a different tool.

MassMark
February 13, 2008, 12:33 PM
If you want a USGI stocked M14 variant, you can't go wrong with a Springfield Armory Loaded. I like that particular rifle as it seems to possess the best of both worlds - the look of a USGI rifle with the improved barrel and sights. A Sadlak scope mount on the side will serve you well. If you want to go for a big bad EBR with zero scope mounting issues, sink it into a Troy MCS from Law483.com and grin until you're silly.... :cool:

I must be hovering into the 10,000 round territory with my Springfield Armory M1A and have had nothing but success.....You just can't beat the price point on an SAI - saves more dough for ammo... ;)

NC-Mike
February 13, 2008, 02:08 PM
i have a question.
how do you plan to use this rifle?

as a DMR? as a MBR? MOUT? CQC?

to each use, a different tool

Hehehe. Nothing so exciting :(

I'll be using it on a 300 yard range. Of course it will be quite a rifle to have in time of need. :)

H2O MAN
February 13, 2008, 02:25 PM
300 yards is nothing, I suggest a BUSH/SCOUT/MK14 with an 18.0" barrel.
If you set it up right, you can have an all-in-one, multi-purpose M14 type rifle.

NC-Mike
February 13, 2008, 04:57 PM
Hey, I just looked at one in the shop. Its a SA standard model, wood-blued and he wants a little over 1,500 for it.

Is that a little high?

H2O MAN
February 13, 2008, 05:04 PM
Blued?

Any USGI parts? What barrel?

1KPerDay
February 13, 2008, 05:06 PM
Its a SA standard model, wood-blued and he wants a little over 1,500 for it.

Is that a little high?
Depends... for me, that's a little high. $1100-1300 seems to be about the going rate for a lightly used standard if you look around. If it's NIB... well, IMO that's still a little high. YMMV

NC-Mike
February 13, 2008, 05:43 PM
Blued?

Any USGI parts? What barrel?

I don't know if it has USGI parts but it is a NIB Springfield.

It is blued and I can check and see what barrel is on there tomorrow. I asked if it was the standard model, they didn't know and went to look at the box. They said it was the standard.

It would have the National Match barrel if it was a loaded, correct?

Andrewsky
February 13, 2008, 05:48 PM
Don't pay over $1,400 for a Standard with wood, unless it's a CA model.

If it's a Loaded, it will have a medium-weight barrel, either stainless, or with an appearance similar to Standard barrels.

glockman19
February 13, 2008, 05:49 PM
Hey, I just looked at one in the shop. Its a SA standard model, wood-blued and he wants a little over 1,500 for it.

Is that a little high?

Check out the prices @ www.budsgunshop.com and compare prices. I think a new M1A loaded is $1,588.

dmftoy1
February 13, 2008, 06:41 PM
Heck, there's a loaded in the trading post on this site for 1500. If I didn't have to go to the hassle of getting my local FFL to send him a copy I'd be all over it.

NC-Mike
February 13, 2008, 07:29 PM
I just browsed Gunbroker and Buds. It looks like my guy is a little high.

I like to support my local shop but geez, if I buy it from Buds, I can get the same rifle for 1380 delivered and I don't have to pay another 100 in taxes.

Hmmmm...

What's so good or different about the CA model?

Vityaz
February 13, 2008, 08:07 PM
The only difference between the CA model has a muzzle brake instead of a flash suppressor.

Andrewsky
February 13, 2008, 10:32 PM
If you have a Sportsman's Warehouse in your area they always seem to have M1As and they sell them at rock-bottom prices.

I got my Standard there for $1249.99!

trbon8r
February 13, 2008, 11:49 PM
Should I even be concerned that the Springfield receiver is a cast part?


The cast Springfield receivers are just fine. In terms of the receiver, the whole forged vs. cast debate is a lot of hot air. The Springfield receivers have proven to be durable and give good service. If you decide you want to build a rifle, right now Armscorp has a special on their cast receivers for $375. If you want to pay over 800 bucks for a forged LRB, it's your money. Building a rifle will likely cost more than buying one off the rack, but the advantage is you don't have to spend all the money up front.

Some of Springfield's reproduction small parts is where they sometimes have problems. For the working parts of the rifle I prefer to stick with USGI, but given the cost of GI parts these days that is getting to be an expensive proposition.

lencac
February 14, 2008, 02:07 AM
SA = great ... if money is there get a real honest to gosh national match M1A ...... It will amaze you and last a life time

madcratebuilder
February 14, 2008, 08:52 AM
Hey, I just looked at one in the shop. Its a SA standard model, wood-blued and he wants a little over 1,500 for it.

Is that a little high?

Seems high to me, check out the PX at m14firinglinefourm.com. You can find some good buys. I looked around and found a 1981 build (more usgi parts) very low round count, with five usgi mags for $1500.
The cast receiver is a none issue inho, some folks really like all usgi parts. The most important usgi part is the extractor. The SAI ones have issues for some. If you go new, look at a "loaded" model, better sights and NM barrel. If you scope it, check out Sadlak mounts, he has a kit for checking the receiver and well mod the scope mount to fit your rifle.

NC-Mike
February 14, 2008, 03:08 PM
Well, I just traded in some stuff at the shop and have a 1,700 credit. :D

When it came time to get the M1, I locked up. Couldn't decide whether to spend everything on the M1 or get a couple guns out of it.

Problem with the M1 is I have to buy mags, ammo, mount and sight. Easily another thousand dollars. :(

A Sig 556 caught my eye and I love it. I have ammo, mags and a sight for it. The only problem I'm worried about is parts availability.

Still don't know what to do. That M1A is going to be expensive to run unless I just buy a couple mags, a couple hundred rounds and use the irons.

I'm also worried about getting ammo. .308 prices have gone nuts.

Vityaz
February 14, 2008, 03:17 PM
For mags, go to 44mag.com. Good deals on new USGI mags. About $30 each, compared to $50 most other places.

I say just stick with the iron sights to start with. ;)
You can just buy the mount and scope later, makes it seem like you're putting less money into it.

The rifle is expensive, but you won't regret buying it.

Oh, and don't use Andrewsky's method for making the handguard NM.

NC-Mike
February 14, 2008, 03:30 PM
The easy solution to this "problem" is buy both the Sig 556 and the M1A...

I could do another trade. I have 2 Garands and would be willing to part ways with one one them as well as a Mini-14 and a scoped 10-22 I wouldn't miss.

Its a cunumdrum...

Vityaz
February 14, 2008, 04:25 PM
Can't go wrong with both.

Just be sure to buy lots of ammo for the M1A. The 20 round mags cause you to go through it fast.

NC-Mike
February 14, 2008, 04:30 PM
Thinking about buying .308 ammo makes me nuts...

Vityaz
February 14, 2008, 04:55 PM
On the plus side, it's not 338 Lapua or 50bmg.

Andrewsky
February 14, 2008, 04:56 PM
7.62x51mm brass ammo is $.45-$.50 a round.

Don't go nuts.

NC-Mike
February 14, 2008, 08:45 PM
Thank you to all who replied. I ended up getting the Sig 556. The M1A will have to wait till another day. I saw that 556 and fell in love...

Wes Janson
February 15, 2008, 12:51 AM
Don't remind me of .50 BMG pricing...*ugh*

kimberfan
February 16, 2008, 11:43 PM
i got my M1A(standard, black fiberglass stock) for $1350$, so don't pay more then $1400$

eldon519
February 17, 2008, 12:17 PM
Instead of buying the SIG, you could get the SAI M-1A and invest in a reloading set up if you don't already make your own. That'll help with the .308 sticker shock and open all kinds of doors for your future gun collecting.

coltcollector
February 17, 2008, 12:29 PM
Check out the prices on Wolf .308. Copper jacket bullets and cheap.

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