Your thoughts on the new Bushmaster ACR


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Desert Scorpion
February 13, 2008, 09:27 AM
I will be buying at least 3 of these rifles when they come out. I already have the money for them given they dont go up in price. Getting two for me and one for the girlfriend. When they come out with the AK-47 adaption unit I will get two of those as well. This rifle is to good to pass up, and seems to be the perfect rifle to protect the home, family, hunt, and target shoot. Who is all buying one with me, and who knows more updates or has held one at shot show.:scrutiny:

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NC-Mike
February 13, 2008, 09:54 AM
Just like buying a new version of MS Windows, I will wait till the first service pack comes out before I dive in.

Nice looking rifle though.

Coronach
February 13, 2008, 11:10 AM
The real question is whether or not it will work as advertised. If it does, it will be amazing. If it doesn't, it will depend on how far short it falls on reliability/durability. There's absolutely no way to know this until the rifles hit the shelves.

On paper, this rifle is the rifle to own. Reality is never quite as good as paper.

Mike

gunsnmoses
February 13, 2008, 11:47 AM
It definitely has better ergonomics than either the AR15 or AK and can be made to use the readily available magazines for either.
sounds like a winner.

RockyMtnTactical
February 13, 2008, 11:59 AM
Looks good. I won't be the guinea pig though, I will wait and see what happens with them.

arthurcw
February 13, 2008, 12:01 PM
All I can find is the bushmaster news release on this one. Can someone with better Google-Fu and Ask-arate point me to so more info???

thanks.

Coronach
February 13, 2008, 12:02 PM
Look up Magpul Masada.

arthurcw
February 13, 2008, 12:03 PM
AH! Thanks

HorseSoldier
February 13, 2008, 12:50 PM
Like previous posters, I'm quite interested in the Masada/ACR, but part of that interest is in seeing how close to the marketing hype the final product gets. If its even pretty close, I'll probably pick one up at some point, but I'm not rushing to call it the greatest gun ever, etc, until people really start putting it through its paces and such.

Bartholomew Roberts
February 13, 2008, 01:00 PM
Extremely interested. I was already set to buy two right off the first production when it was a Magpul product. My interest in being a guinea pig dropped a lot with Bushmaster taking over though. I guess we will see.

I am not interested in a fixed stock nor a black rifle and Bushmaster indicates that the first release of product will be limited to black rifles with only the 12.5" being available as a folder. So it looks like 3Q 2008 for me.

possum
February 13, 2008, 01:06 PM
Looks good. I won't be the guinea pig though, I will wait and see what happens with them.
and me as we;ll brother, i am very excited to hear and read all about the,m when they do get in the hands of thr members

arthurcw
February 13, 2008, 01:21 PM
Very interesting. I don't have enough spare cash to be one of their beta testers. If the gun gods hold back significant bans, this will be interesting to look at when it's fully cooked.

Gary G23
February 13, 2008, 05:14 PM
I feel the exact same about this as Bartholomew Roberts.

Wes Janson
February 13, 2008, 08:15 PM
I want the folding stock on a 16" barrel, preferably in Dark Earth. I'm quite willing to be a guinea pig...

Desert Scorpion
February 13, 2008, 08:29 PM
I too am willing to feal like a guinea pig today.:rolleyes:

dscottw88
February 13, 2008, 09:45 PM
Looks promising. Anything that takes good from other designs and imporves is just asking to be a winner. Hopefully it lives up to the expectations. I plan on getting the 18inch model with the standard folding/collapsing stock hopefully in black.

falnovice
February 13, 2008, 11:30 PM
I was very interested in a 18' with folding stock. Three of them. Was....
Now that Bushmaster will be making the gun I have canceled that verbal pre-order. I will wait for the first round to be Beta-tested by the buyers. I still believe the gun has huge potential, but I am not sure if I have the faith in Bushmaster to buy one of the first ones off the line.

stubbicatt
February 14, 2008, 04:42 AM
I'll own one some day, but it will be a dark earth color.

I spoke to Bushmaster yesterday, and they are really cagey about when it will be released, saying "summer." I'll wait a little longer for the folding stock on the earth color. I may have to get some Pmags in anticipation. It is a neat idea, and I'm glad they are selling it to us.

"Get some". LOL.

xsquidgator
February 14, 2008, 06:13 AM
Just curious, what would this new ACR do better than some other of the newer 556 rifles out there, say like the SigArms 556? IIRC the SigArms556 runs around $1300 and the MSRP on the ACR is expected to be in the same range. They both look cool and neat, just wondering if there is a clear advantage of the ACR over some other things.

Bartholomew Roberts
February 14, 2008, 07:09 AM
Just curious, what would this new ACR do better than some other of the newer 556 rifles out there, say like the SigArms 556?

The ACR is lighter (more polymer). It has a barrel that can be removed and swapped without tools. It has a folding and collapsing stock with adjustable cheek rest. Ths piston system is AR18-based vice AK-based. The ACR has greater modularity (I can swap handguards, stock and barrel (all without using any tools) to go from a 10.5" entry rifle with folder to a 18" precision rifle with precision stock and bipod). There may be a few more as well regarding gas piston adjustability, monolithic top rail, etc.

In addition, future plans allow for a polymer lower for the ACR that will let you use AK mags. Combined with the quick change barrel and a new bolt, this gives you an impressive array of caliber conversions as well as the ability to have AK function with better than AR ergonomics.

Of course, all of this assumes it works as advertised. However, the system really is fairly simple and Bushmaster has an actual TDP to work from now, so I do not see why it shouldn't work.

Kenpo
February 14, 2008, 10:08 AM
I've been entertaining picking up a Rob Arms XCR... Maybe I'll hold off until some reviews of the ACR get around. I wonder how they will compare??

Darthbauer
February 14, 2008, 11:34 AM
If no new ban hits, yeah im getting one. Getting a Sig 556 too. They dont feel so heavy up front when your used to a heavy barrel and an ARMS rail on your AR.

Harry Tuttle
February 14, 2008, 11:38 AM
I would bet when this releases from Bushmaster,
Magpul will have a bunch of accessories ready to ship

kurtmax
February 14, 2008, 07:32 PM
I'm considering getting one. 1400USD (The projected price atm) is a bit steep for a uni student like me, but I might manage.

I want to see one first, and make sure it's not utter crap. Otherwise it looks like a really, really good deal. To make a similar rifle from an AR-15 (LMT even released their gas piston upper) would cost much more than 1400.... and you still wouldn't get stuff like quick detach barrels and things.

Eightball
February 14, 2008, 08:38 PM
If I obtain the money, and there's no ban, I might entertain the thought. By the time I get the money, they'll have ironed things out.

But I seriously question your need for several, especially a couple in the different calibres. It's designed to be swapped, so why have 2x 5.56, and 2x 7.62x39, as per the OP?

NC-Mike
February 14, 2008, 08:43 PM
I just picked up a Sig 556 tonight. The lack of spare parts spooked me a bit but a guy who has one swears by it. It looks clunky till you pick it up.

These rifles are the future. He has a EOTech and a magnifier on his and that is one sweet setup.

Darthbauer
February 14, 2008, 10:28 PM
But I seriously question your need for several, especially a couple in the different calibres. It's designed to be swapped, so why have 2x 5.56, and 2x 7.62x39, as per the OP?

I agree. I would get one and then get the different parts to make it a different caliber. No point in getting an entire weapon unless you want a different color. But then again there is a thing called paint.

Coronach
February 14, 2008, 10:57 PM
I can think of a great reason to have multiples: AWB II.

If you have one, you have one for the rest of your life (potentially)...until it wears out. If you have more than one, you have a rifle to cannibalize for parts if you need to, a second rifle to do whatever you want with, or a rifle to sell for a lot of money (if that's still legal).

The best case is that the AWB does not materialize. Then you can just sell it. Or just keep it. Or whatever. Assuming the "early adopter markup" isn't too crazy, you should not lose much money.

Mike

SpeedAKL
February 15, 2008, 12:11 AM
I'm quite intrigued. If/when the SCAR hits the market, it will be a tough call.

Wes Janson
February 15, 2008, 12:33 AM
Assuming a perpetual AWB, and assuming that everyone just rolls over and accepts it quietly, it would seem to me that the issue of parts replacement isn't too likely to be a problem. In every instance of ownership restriction that I'm aware of, it's permissable for the owner to repair or replace every component on the firearm, to the best of my knowledge. Hence the "magazine repair kits" and "replacement receivers" one sees advertised.

Better to spend the extra money on completely different rifles that will also be banned.

sully0812
April 21, 2008, 11:05 PM
Assuming a perpetual AWB, and assuming that everyone just rolls over and accepts it quietly, it would seem to me that the issue of parts replacement isn't too likely to be a problem. In every instance of ownership restriction that I'm aware of, it's permissable for the owner to repair or replace every component on the firearm, to the best of my knowledge. Hence the "magazine repair kits" and "replacement receivers" one sees advertised

That's not entirely true. Look at the NFA world. Try getting a replacement reciever for that $11,000.00 registered M16. It's not going to happen, and if you destroy yours, you are out 11K.

If assault weapons were to become "controlled items", I would expect it to be the same. Maybe spare parts for unserialized pieces, but anything with a serial number is not likely to be able to be replaced. (Which is also a good reason why we should be fighting against microstamping.)

Wes Janson
April 22, 2008, 12:37 AM
I've not tried getting a replacement receiver for an M16, but legally speaking can't one get a new receiver if ultimately necessary, and have it re-stamped with the old markings?

taliv
April 22, 2008, 08:23 AM
no, wes. if that were the case, then there wouldn't be "re-welds" for sale

30 cal slob
April 22, 2008, 08:58 AM
I was already set to buy two right off the first production when it was a Magpul product. My interest in being a guinea pig dropped a lot with Bushmaster taking over though.

My thoughts exactly.

Destructo6
April 22, 2008, 01:53 PM
I was all excited, too, until I read a little and saw the write-up in the recent issue of Small Arms Review.

It said that the receiver bolt rails were screwed into place. ***? Looking at the pictures, sure enough, there are flat head socket screws down the length of the receiver.

I don't know about you, but I really don't trust screws to hold such a critical piece of the gun securely in place.

The shell deflector was also screwed into place.

I don't know if it was an early prototype or what, but they did release it for testing, so... It turned me off, a alot.

nwilliams
April 22, 2008, 02:14 PM
I plan on getting an ACR without question.

I was very disappointed with the 556 when I first had the chance to look at one first hand but I'm going to be an optimist and say that the ACR will be a winner. Sure it may have some flaws since it will be new to the market but I still want to buy one early before any potential AWB goes into effect after the election in November. I also just absolutely fell in love with the Masada when I first saw it on Future Weapons, when I heard there was going to be a civilian version I jumped with joy. I have a Bushy AR and I really love it and that will never go away, the ACR will just be another EBR to add to my collection, you can never have too many.

If FN releases a civilian SCAR then I would probably pick one of them up as well, like I said you can never have too many EBR's. Still my big concern is that if and when it is released it will but out of my budget range, judging by the prices on the PS90 and FS2000 anyway. From what I hear the ACR will be pretty affordable and that's a big selling point for me. As much as I'd love to have a civilian SCAR if its a $2k+ rifle then its off my list.

Mr. Blue
May 23, 2008, 02:18 AM
Sign me up. This is a situation where I, quite uncharacteristically, won't mind jumping in before everyone else. In addition to the ridiculous amount of developement done recently, Magpul put in a lot of work to come up with this rifle. And no matter what anyone says about bushmaster, they have the production experience Magpul lacks. It would be about impossible for them to screw this up. I'll be one of the first owners and I'd like to see this as our next standard infantry rifle.

Bazooka Joe71
May 23, 2008, 02:56 AM
What's the msrp?

RockyMtnTactical
May 23, 2008, 04:47 AM
It would be about impossible for them to screw this up.

That's a fairly bold statement. Do you have some kind of insider knowledge or experience with this platform that most of us don't have??

I am hopeful for it. However, the pricing has been a turn off. Also, it has no track record as of yet.

Looks great on paper (and Magpul has a decent enough track record for sure)... but few things ever get produced w/o looking great on paper. It's how it performs in real life that will determine it's true importance/value. That has yet to be determined.

Mike128
May 23, 2008, 08:48 AM
I'll wait. Look at the Pmags. Great product but the Beta runs were a little sketchy with the feed lips. However, Magpul stepped up and replaced them all without a hassle.
But I want one. Esepcially in a 6.8spc and precision stock. I only worry about the accuracy potential. Can it regualry hold under 1moa?

Bartholomew Roberts
May 23, 2008, 03:24 PM
What's the msrp?

I have heard every number from $1500 to 2000. The last official word I saw was "around $1500" but that was back in February.

With economic problems and inflation being real possibilities, it wouldn't surprise me to see that price go up if release is delayed until 2009 (per last official word).

GunTech
May 23, 2008, 04:35 PM
I'm up for being a beta tester, as this won't be anything like my only 223. My understanding is the Magpul will be supervising the production of the polymer parts, with Bushmaster filling in the rest. The rifle uses AR-15 barrels, trigger groups and a few other parts which made teaming up with an AR builder a natural fit.

In reality, it's not like the design is brand new. Magpul has already been through several iterations. It's more a question of whether Bushmaster can deliver.

Time will tell.

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