[Newton]

For all those of us who have had to make do with the "not so great" soft point loads for the M1 Carbine, the waiting is over.

I just got through reading a post on another forum that was made by a member of the Corbon development team.

They have recognized the demand for an effective .30 Carbine self defence load and it will be the next project on their drawing boards.

No links yet, but I would think that if Corbon are making this thing it will be a real stopper.

AT LAST :)

[Sven]

That's great news.

How much pressure can the M1 Carbine take? Corbon is known (in my experience) for making HOT ammo, and while that would be good... too much of a good thing could be bad in my 55+ year old carbine.

[Gordon]

The gas system on an M-1 carbine is calibrated in a pretty narrow range of pressure for operation 43,000-48,000 cup if I remember right. I am sure the CORBON team is aware of this. Now if they could somehow stuff a 125grain bullet in that feeds and has a velocity of 1900fps with MODERATE,controlled expansion they'd have a VERY effectice anti personnel round.Anybody can take a lightweight explosive bullet and 'tamp the load'. What would sell is the load I named to people who want rapid and thorough cessation of activities in bipeds and game to 200lbs.:cool:

[Snowdog]

I suppose it very well could take part in their Pow'R Ball line up.
As a "defensive" prospect, I could imagine a 100gr Pow'R Ball .30 cal slug at 2200 fps could do the trick.

[Sven]

Waiting for the official word.. Cor-Bon, please step up and confirm or deny.

Thanks!

[Wil Terry]

We've looked at it twice in the past seven years, including designing a bullet for it, and decided to NOT put it into production. The reasons for this varied but it boils down to the fact we dropped 9mmMAKAROV due to low sales and we can barely give away 7.62x39 ammunition.
Any cartridge in which the importers bring in boatloads of "surplus" military type ammunition simply will not sell past an initial flurry of activity. The customer buys some, stashes it, and goes back to shootin' the cheap stuff. Shucks boys, I do this myself buying that 75 dollar a M 7.62x39 Russian stuff to burn in my FEG AK.
So...we are taking another look at the 30CARB but don't hold yore breath waiting 'cause it is done the road a bit...

[Sven]

Terry,

I'll buy a case from you every few months.

;)

-s

[Newton]

Making 7.62x39 was a mistake, pure and simple. Just too much cheap, effective JHP fodder out there for that one to ever work.

Losing the Makarov ammo was a pity, because it was good, but with the Barnaul JHPs out there for six bucks a box (quite hot and good expanders) in spite of this I was still surprised the 9x18 went West too.

But in .30 Cal there are very few self defence options and a lot of guns, I for one hope you make it, and I will be a buyer, just make it in the 120 grain range, no ultralights please otherwise it just won't sell.

[LIProgun]

I'm not sure why people are looking for another .30 Carbine self-defense round from CorBon or anybody else, considering what's out there already.

According to Dr. Gary K. Roberts, the Remington 110 gr JSP (R30CAR) gives 1864 fps, 16.5" of penetration in calibrated gelatin, a recovered diameter of 0.54" and a recovered weight of 95.9 gr. I'd wager other JSP loads (like the Federal 30CA) are close to that performance.

Penetration is in the range often considered ideal for self-defense against soft targets, and the bullet is holding together (87%) and expanding to .54 inch.

If you want shallower penetration and more expansion, I'd take an educated guess that Winchester's 110 grain hollow soft point (X30M1) would do that. If you want more penetration, go with 110 FMJ.

So, what more is desired in .30 Carbine defense rounds?

[4v50 Gary]

If I can get it cheap enough (bbl or gun), I'd like a Johnson Spitfire (22/30 Carbine). Load it with a spire point boat tail bullet for a zipper that put the FN P90 bullet to shame.

[Sven]

4v50 Gary: I'm with you, buddy. Wildcatted .30 carbine = big grins. Main cost would be brass and time reloading, though, eh? Barrels are available. Use the same mags.

[JShirley]

An EFMJ-type round would be most excellent.

[Mannlicher]

I like the Corbon .45 Colt 200 gr, and I really like the 165 grain CorBon .44mag. I buy those frequently, and shoot it often. The 165 grain JHP .44 mag finally gives you a decent choice for using your .44 as a carry gun.

I shoot a lot of .30 carbine. I don't load for it though. I don't load for my M1A, or any of my other military rifles. Well, I do load some 150 grain stuff for hunting with the M1A.

Would I buy Corbon .30 carbine ammo? I think so. I have had good results with Remington 110 grain SP ammo. CorBon would most likely be more effective. If the price were within reason, I would be willing to buy and shoot it.

[chieftain]

Interesting threats about what the bullet weight should be.

If you are thinking of the pitifull stopping power of a pistol you may be right although I personally disagree with you.

If you are thinking of the stopping power of a rifle, lets lighten the bullet and get the velocity needed.

A lighter 30 round that can reach the velocity of the 70 gr 5.56 out of the to short M4 barrel will do the job probably better because of caliber in side of the 100/150 yard mark. Also because of it's terrible BC it will upset quickly, which is what I want.

I am interested in a SD load stopping BG's not seeing how long a jello cube will take to bleed out.

The jello junkies still won't tell me what their definition of stopping power is besides death. The problem is so many rounds will and can kill, the whole argument is about the time frame.

Fred