Apparently even Russian Astronauts have guns on their Soyuz Craft


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Barr
February 15, 2008, 03:03 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/15298911/detail.html

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takhtakaal
February 15, 2008, 03:08 AM
IBTL, or butt-chewing-out, or whatever ...

chris in va
February 15, 2008, 03:16 AM
I wonder what gun it is. Probably something really small or similar to the AR-7.

Barr
February 15, 2008, 03:19 AM
My first thought was an AR-7 type rifle as well. Or maybe an AK-47?

PercyShelley
February 15, 2008, 03:23 AM
IIRC it's actually some sort of over and under affair. 7.62x39, and some sort of small bore shotgun, with a provision to launch flares.

Or something along those lines.

Barr
February 15, 2008, 03:27 AM
Btw there is a poll on that page about whether astronauts should have access to a gun or not. Be sure to hit the poll. Right now it is 74% for and 26% against.

AlaskaErik
February 15, 2008, 03:34 AM
I don't understand what the big deal is. It's just a survival tool.

ArchAngelCD
February 15, 2008, 03:38 AM
Much to do about nothing IMO!!

Typical Liberal mindset! such as:
If there is a gun then someone is going to get hurt!
People can't be trusted when a gun is within reach!
Everyone who has a gun will eventually snap and shoot everyone they see!
Guns are evil and shouldn't be allowed to exist!
Why would you need a gun? To stop a space base home invasion? (hehe, had to)
Did you know they actually have a GUN???!!!! OMG!!!!!!

I could go on but I'm sure you get my drift.

My only problem with this situation is, why do things like this keep getting leaked to the media? American pilots have been carrying a sidearm since they first starting flying back in WWI. Does anyone really think a gun isn't part of the survival kit the American crew has? The problem with the anti-gun Libs, they think of a gun as something unusual and evil whereas it's really only a tool.

Sorry for the rant. I guess I could have simply said, "Much to do about nothing." Oh wait, I did say that, didn't I?? :neener:

Barr
February 15, 2008, 04:03 AM
I just think that it is interesting. I think it is a good precaution to have a gun in case of emergency landing etc. It is unusual because when you think of a military pilot of course they need and will have a gun. When I think of space survival, the thought of a gun never occurred to me.

max popenker
February 15, 2008, 04:30 AM
I wonder what gun it is
The gun is known as TP-82 or TOZ-82.
It is a combination shotgun-rifle, with 2 32 gauge smoothbore barrels SxS and a 5.45x39 rifled barrel below.
Rifle ammuntion is based on standard 5.45x39 M74 assault rifle cartridge but loaded with hunting-type expanding bullets, shotgun ammo is loaded with shot and flares.
The detachable shoulder stock is formed by special machete in semi-rigid sheath.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9919/tp821jz5.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1473/tp822am6.jpg

PercyShelley
February 15, 2008, 06:46 AM
Ho ho! Now that is a spiffy gun!

Max, are the soft-point 5.45 bullets common in Russia?


I just think that it is interesting. I think it is a good precaution to have a gun in case of emergency landing etc. It is unusual because when you think of a military pilot of course they need and will have a gun. When I think of space survival, the thought of a gun never occurred to me.

Unlike US space capsules, Russian ones came down over land; I think they aimed for Kazakhstan. Having a gun then was just common sense.

glennfish
February 15, 2008, 06:50 AM
I believe that they stopped issuing this because they could no longer get ammo for it. Last report I saw said they now issue an unspecified pistol.

Apple a Day
February 15, 2008, 06:56 AM
Makarov?

max popenker
February 15, 2008, 08:13 AM
Max, are the soft-point 5.45 bullets common in Russia?
From what i know, the 5.45 is not listed as a "civilian" round; in the small-bore centerfire league you have the ubiquitous .223 Rem and a domestic 5.6x39 (a.k.a. .22 Russian) which is based on 7.62x39 case necked down.

SamTuckerMTNMAN
February 15, 2008, 08:35 AM
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=339670

Larry Ashcraft
February 15, 2008, 08:54 AM
Duplicate. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=339670)

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