[coltm]

anyone know where maybe online i can by cheap target loads or some birdshot to shoot clays with live in northeast corner of florida and can't get a box a shells for cheaper than $5.68 (winchester super speeds)

[MAX100]

One word - WalMart. $17.00 for 100 shells.


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[VARifleman]

What wallmart still has 100 shell boxes for 17 bucks? The stuff I was buying there went up to 24. :(

[coltm]

at the walmart here SOMETIMES i can find remingtons for 19 bucks for 100 rounds also what kind of shells are finding for 17 bucks

[MAX100]

The winchester and Federal value packs were $17. I don't know if they are still the same price now.


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[RNB65]

The winchester and Federal value packs were $17

WERE. The current price is $23.88 for Winchester bulk packs and $20.98 for Fed bulk packs. I'm expecting a price increase on the Fed packs any day now up to around $24.

:(:(:(

[coltm]

anyone know of any places online that sell cheap shells

[RNB65]

There are none. The Wal Mart bulk packs are the cheapest price you'll find anywhere.

Sorry, but that's the reality of shooting these days. Ammo prices have gone thru the roof on everything. It wasn't too long ago that Wally World was selling AA target loads for just over $5/box and now it's around $7.50.
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[41magsnub]

Let me be the first to point out in this thread the standard warning about the winchester WW bulk packs having "issues" in some shotguns. Don't go buy a flat of them until you know they work in your gun.

[sm]

Will Fennell suggested some online folks, IIRC one was Clay Cartridge.

http://www.claycartridge.com/products.asp?Cat=1

Quality loads and recipes to reload quality hulls is one way to get better ammunition for monies spent.

In other words, a couple of folks going in on a new/used single stage reloader, components and hulls that can be reloaded a dozen times or more, is what a lot of folks have been doing for some time now.

So spending a tad more for shells, that have hulls , that will reload this many times is a consideration.

Depends on what one shoots, and how often they shoot.

[Niner]

How does 4.39 for box of Remington heavy 12 ga dove load strike you? Academy Sports has them at that price at the moment. See if there's one near you.

[engineeringtech]

I've been buying Winchester Universal, Remington Gun Club, and Federal shells at Walmart, Kmart, and Dick's Sporting Goods for the past several years. The more than 42% price increase of the past month and a half is most certainly NOT due to metals price increases.

You can download metals price histories at several sites. Lead has only gone up 2.5% per metric ton since May of '05. Copper jumped 160% in the first quarter of '06, but has never gone above this price since. And the copper content of these "cheap" shells is minute. Just the primer. If copper were driving costs, it would affect metallic cartridges far more than plastic and steel shotgun shells.

It's also not increased "demand" for shells, or the war. Think about it. The war has been going strong since 2001. Surely by now capacity has caught up with the demand of our military. If not, you have to wonder and worry about this country's capacity to wage war, if the supply is so tenuous. Chinese construction may have precipitated the 160% copper jump in '06, but they are not buying shells. They don't let their people have guns.

So what is the reason for the increase? I know Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer were pushing for a 1000% tax on ammo. Maybe they couldn't get it pased (yet), but still "got to" the ammo manufacturers, who then made a "voluntary" price increase. Maybe Homeland Defense secretly forced the manufacturers to put ballistics tracing in the powder, and they're passing that cost on to us. And I also wonder why the supply of foreign ammo (Wolf, Rio, Sellier) has dried up. No one seems to have stock.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a low income, and this will put a serious crimp in my sporting clays and skeet league shooting. I've written my Congressman and the ammo manufactures demanding answers. I'm suggesting anyone equally concerned about having a continuing reasonable priced source of ammo do likewise.

[engineeringtech]

I've been buying Winchester Universal, Remington Gun Club, and Federal shells at Walmart, Kmart, and Dick's Sporting Goods for the past several years. The up to 42% price increase of the past month and a half is most certainly NOT due to metals price increases.

You can download metals price histories at several sites. Lead has only gone up 2.5% per metric ton since May of '05. Copper jumped 160% in the first quarter of '06, but has never gone above this price since. And the copper content of these "cheap" shells is negligible. Just the primer. If copper were driving costs, it would affect metallic cartridges far more than plastic and steel shotgun shells.

It's also not increased consumer demand for shells, or the war. Think about it! The war has been going strong since 2001. Surely by now capacity has caught up with the demand of our military. If not, you have to worry about this country's capacity to wage war, that the supply would be so tenuous. Chinese industrial and home construction may have precipitated the 160% copper jump in '06, but Chinese citizens are not buying shells. The Communists don't let their people have guns.

So what is the reason for the increase? I know Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer were pushing for a 1000% tax on ammo. Maybe they couldn't get it passed (yet), but applied pressure to the manufacturers to make a "voluntary" price increase? Maybe Homeland Defense secretly forced the manufacturers to put ballistics tracing in the powder, and they're passing that cost on to us. Why has the supply of foreign ammo (Wolf, Rio, Sellier) has dried up? No one seems to have stock.

I don't know about the rest of you, but on my low income, this will put a serious crimp in my sporting clays and skeet shooting. I've written my Congressman and the ammo manufactures demanding answers. I'm suggesting anyone equally concerned about having a source of reasonable priced ammo do likewise.

[another okie]

I don't know where you get your info, but lead has gone from 80 cents a pound to almost 1.50 a pound just in the last year. That's almost double.


http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical_large.html#5years

The war is not the only cause and perhaps not even the major one. The growth of the Chinese and Indian economies and the various weather disasters are sucking up materials of all kinds.

You are wasting your time writing your Congressman.

[scout26]

Here's 5 yr lead prices:

Another Okie is correct there is no secret conspiracy.

[BozemanMT]

Did you hear they stopped a ship of lead at a Chinese port the other day?

It turns out it had toys in it. :rolleyes:

[engineeringtech]

Apologies for the double post. I swear I didn't hit the post button twice.

Also my bad about lead prices... I downloaded some some faulty history from a commodities site. The lead increase is significant, and probably accounts for most of the cost increase in shells. Still, I have to wonder why, if lead prices are driving ammo prices, why would 12 ga., 20 qa., 28ga. go up by the same percentage? Copper's not an issue, because Copper hasn't risen appreciably since spring of '06, most of these "cheap" shotgun shells don't use hardly any copper.

I don't know why "weather disasters" would have much impact on lead prices. We always have "weather disasters". Are they building replacement homes with lead pipes? They're not even using copper plumbing in new homes around here.

As for writing congressmen and senators? Doesn't hurt to keep them looking at economic issues. What are they there for anyway? We pay their salaries. If there is a shortage of lead and copper it could affect our military.

Oh, and incidentally, Hillary and Chuck WERE asking for a 1000% tax on ammo. And numerous proposals have been pushed for ballistics tracing. OSHA was also proposing rules which could wreck the ammunition industry. More good reason to keep on top of ammo prices.