Why is it such a hard decision?


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Black92LX
August 3, 2003, 08:44 PM
Why is deciding on the first handgun such a hard decision?? i still have a few months till i am 21, so i am doing all the research i can. and have narrowed it down to a bunch.

HK USP 9
Springfield XD 5''
FN (of some sort)
Sig P226

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cslinger
August 3, 2003, 08:52 PM
Not hard at all SIG 226. See that was easy.

Actually buy what feels good.

HK is a great gun but expensive magazines etc.
XD is a great gun and has cheap magazines but not much aftermarket support yet.
FN....Not sure which one you are talking about. Good guns, but the ones I have felt haven't had the best triggers. High Powers are great and full cap magazines are plentiful. I am however not a high power fan so that is the best I can offer.

Ahh the SIG 226. Being one of the resident SIG pimps what can I say it is a spectacular firearm with plentiful pre ban magazines. It is accurate and reliable. This will be spendy though both on magazines and the gun.

They are all good choices and all of them should more than fit the bill.

MLH
August 3, 2003, 08:56 PM
Just wait till you go to buy your next one.:D Or if you decide to go to a wheelgun or a rifle your headaches and heartaches will have just begun!:neener:

10-Ring
August 3, 2003, 10:28 PM
Yeah, the 1st one is always the toughest...(GO w/ the USP 9 ;) ) After that, the choices become alot easier & more frequent.

PS...Don't worry too much about which you choose 1st. You'll prolly end up w/ all of them off your list anyway :D

Standing Wolf
August 3, 2003, 10:45 PM
Be scientific about it, eh? Buy lots of guns.

Black92LX
August 3, 2003, 11:52 PM
cslinger what do you mean by highpower when talking about the FN??

i want the Forty Nine to be exact.

well actually i want the Five seveN but since it's law enforcement only that will be awhile i guess.

Dr.Rob
August 4, 2003, 12:33 AM
The 226 is the sweetest DA/SA pistol I have ever fired, and thats saying a lot.

Ian11
August 4, 2003, 01:40 AM
Yep, either the SIG P226 or the BHP. Two of the best.

Mike Irwin
August 4, 2003, 02:48 AM
Why?

Because it's your hard-earned money, and it's a decision that you have to live with.

Sort of like your first wife.

I'm still regretting that decision.

sm
August 4, 2003, 07:29 AM
What Mike typed , to the letter.

Dorian
August 4, 2003, 07:43 AM
Save up some extra money and test fire them all first, and go with the one you're more accurate with.

Personally I'd go with the USP 9mm. But that's cause the only pistols I own are USPs. :)

Second, I'd go for the Sig. It has a better trigger than the USP, but I just can't justify getting a SIG over a USP.

Black92LX
August 4, 2003, 09:37 AM
out of my list i have only shot the Sig. The have shot a lot of others which were removed from my initial list (glock, Beretta, Ruger)

It is a difficult descion because i am in colllege and on a tight budget. so i have already been saving for 2 months now and i still have till April beforei can buy one. but i want to be sure in my decsion and do all the research i can and ask all the questions i can. since it will be awhile before i will be able to get another.




Here is the FN i want FN Forty Nine (http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/hg_fortynine.htm)

i don't believe that it's the Hi Power some of you all are talking about.

Thanks again for all of the help
Jeremy

Berg01
August 4, 2003, 10:02 AM
Save up some extra money and test fire them all first, and go with the one you're more accurate with.

Ditto that; I'd probably do the P226 over the others, but my friend has a HK USP 9c with the match trigger, that is an awesome gun to shoot!

cslinger
August 4, 2003, 10:09 AM
The High Power was the second big big thing from John Browning. Kind of his followup to the 1911 and many feel it is an improved 1911 in 9mm. It was also one of the first double stack magazine pistols if I am correct. It is a classic that is still made to this day by many many manufacturers, one of them being FN. I am one of about 7 people worldwide for whom the High Power doesn't exactly float their boat.

The Forty Nine. Well let me preface by saying that I can tell a really bad trigger and a really really good trigger. Everything else inbetween is just fine for me. I am not a trigger pull expert. That being said the one Forty-Nine I felt was a bad trigger, very bad. My sample size is exactly 1(one) so take that for what it is worth.

If you are a college student on a budget get the XD in 9mm. That way you will be able to afford magazines and be able to shoot it.

If you can save up and squeeze the cash out go with the P226. It will spoil you to other 9mms.

Chris

Boiler_G
August 4, 2003, 02:17 PM
Being a fellow college student, I would suggest a .22 or 9mm for costs efficiency. Also try to shoot as many guns as possible!!! There are a lot out there and everyone has their own bias towards their favorite. If you live on campus, more than likely you won't be able to keep your gun with you, so you may want to consider that in your decision. What's the use in having a defense caliber pistol if you can't use it now. Twent-two's are very fun and super cheap to shoot. It is your money and your decision. My first was a Colt 1991A1 NRM for $500, because I knew I would end up with a 1911 and I wanted a thin single stack gun. My first 500 rounds of hard ball .45 cost $100. I think I could have got almost 3500 rounds of .22 for that. Just a thought.

WhoKnowsWho
August 4, 2003, 05:46 PM
You could always buy used and stretch the dollar...

For the price of a new Sig P226, you could get a used P226 and used USP40 from CDNN...

I would vote for the USP first.

Mastrogiacomo
August 4, 2003, 05:54 PM
My first pistol wasn't a hard choice -- bought the Beretta type M -- loved it such much, went back the next month and bought another!:D

Loaded
August 4, 2003, 06:13 PM
Black92LX said: Why is it such a hard decision?

Tell me about it! I'm struggling with the same thing in my two recent posts. I started out wanting either a Sig, CZ, or FNH. Then I forgot about those three and chose a Glock36. Now, I'm debating whether or not to go with the XD in 9MM and dump the Glock idea. You got any suggestions?

Pretty soon these guys in here are going to say this to me ---> :cuss:

Black92LX
August 4, 2003, 10:42 PM
9mm is the road that i am going to go for myself. just which one is the problem.

For the price of a new Sig P226, you could get a used P226 and used USP40 from CDNN...

sorry i am new to al ot of the gun stuff so if this is a dumb question i apologize in advance. but what is CDNN.

i am sorry if some of my questions are dumb but i am a newbie. i have been shooting with my gramps for years, but he only taught me about the specific gun i was shooting. and now i am getting into reasearching the whole gun realm. so thanks for the help.

That being said the one Forty-Nine I felt was a bad trigger

bad trigger pull, in what way was it bad?? too long, sloppy, hard to pull??

again thanks for all the input

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
August 5, 2003, 12:39 AM
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/

lots of stuff.

I'd go for a HiPower over the FN49, personally; the trigger on the FN49 is what I would term 'wretched'. The XD9 is a good, solid choice at a good price. If you feel like you can afford more, look for a good price on a P226 or P229. Used is fine; it's hard to wear them out.

Regards,
Rabbit.

Destructo6
August 5, 2003, 03:30 AM
Resident SIG pimp #226 checking in...

Hard to go wrong with a P226. Real hard.

That said, try to find what feels good and shoots good for you. If that pistol then has a reputation for reliability, go for it.

slh02
August 5, 2003, 04:50 AM
Fellow poor college student checking in here... If I may offer some advice, go to a local range and rent the guns you are interested in! I know I saved myself a lot of trouble by renting a glock 19 and finding out it was not the right gun for me (it was the gun I was set on getting as my first). I also found out that Sig makes some mighty fine handguns.

When I went to purchase my first, I had the gun shop guy lay out 4 guns that I was interested in on the counter. Being able to compare them side by side was a big help in making my decision (which was a P99, btw).

New_comer
August 5, 2003, 07:44 AM
BTW,

How much money do you intend to spend for your first gun?

Also, from the four pistols you listed, the main difference would be in the manual of arms.

Anyways, my choice would be:


HK USP 9 , i.e., if you prefer C & L, DA locked/unlocked, nice, eh? ;)...
then
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.
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FN (of some sort)- BHP SA only and C&L also :)

Sig P226 decocker only, SA unlocked :eek: or DA first shot

Springfield XD 5'' DAO, the holster is your safety! :eek: Notwithstanding the trigger and grip safeties (I still think they're unnecessary)


You'd notice my preference for a manually activated safety.


But if money is an issue, I won't feel undergunned with an XD, mindful of the precautions in handling a weapon always in condition "0" - cocked and unlocked.

All great guns, btw.

Lofland
August 5, 2003, 08:59 AM
Hold each of the guns in your list in your own two hands and pull the trigger a few times (after checking that it's unloaded, of course). That will narrow down the list a lot. None of us knows which gun will fit your hand the best.

This first-gun decision is not that important. Just buy one of the better-known guns with a history and you'll be fine. If you decide you don't like it, just sell it. Guns retain their value fairly well, especially if you buy used in the first place. Since you can sell the gun at any time, just think of yourself as renting this first gun for a while.

Some people on here spend a lot of time arguing about the different features of the guns, worrying about their next purchase, dreaming of building a big gun collection. Others just try to find the one or two guns that fit them, then they mainly worry about becoming good shooters. Become friends with the big collectors and thank them profusely for letting you try out all their guns :-) But you should try to become a good shooter.

If you haven't considered a CZ-75B already, you might add that to your list. Not too expensive, even new. You can find used, police trade-in SIG P226 at www.kyimports.com for under $400, and SIGS hold up very well. Get a full-size gun in a moderate caliber like 9mm. Don't get a sub-compact gun in a bigger caliber, such as a .40. That might give you a bad flinch that will take years to get rid of. Don't worry about a good manstopping caliber yet, worry first about becoming a good shot.

Go to www.brianenos.com and buy his book, "Practical Shooting: The Fundamentals." Also check out the forums on shooting technique there, a lot of top competitive shooters post there. The shooting technique FAQs at www.glockfaq.com are great too.

Have fun, let us know what you end up getting.

cslinger
August 5, 2003, 10:51 AM
I am not enough of a trigger guru to really describe it accurately. The one FN Forty-Nine that I played with had a very heavy trigger that just didn't break nicely, it felt a little gritty and spongy. Kind of like it would break at differnent points. I am sorry, I really don't know how to describe it only to say I didn't like it. Try one for yourself. You may be happy with it. I may have gotten a bad one. Who knows.

I have SIG P225 with a very heavy double action pull but it is completely different. It is smooth and crisp, although very heavy. It is my worst SIG trigger by far but still feels much much much better than the Forty-Nine I felt.

Nothing scientific, just personal observations.

Chris

senior
November 29, 2005, 07:08 PM
have seen often, remarks about the care needed in handling a XD due to condition "0" , Best way i found to get around the fear of no safety (manual) is to get whats called "saf-t-blok", i have one for my glock and XD, easy to pop out when ready to fire and blocks the trigger from going boom

Black92LX
November 29, 2005, 10:10 PM
bringing a thread back from the dead:eek:

I went with the 226 and have since purchased a 232 and am going to be picking up a CZ 75 P01 next month.

cvb
November 29, 2005, 10:27 PM
Now go get a 1911 and see what its all about.
Or a old Smith W revo...hehe
Black LX eh? Civic/ Accord?/Mazda?

tc300mag1
November 29, 2005, 10:49 PM
ill vote Hk or the Xd i have both and like um

Majic
November 30, 2005, 04:11 AM
It's really not a hard decision. It's a matter of how quick you can cough up the money for the other 3. :evil:

Henry Bowman
November 30, 2005, 11:12 AM
Black LX eh? Civic/ Accord?/Mazda?He's a Mustang man.

I don't see him as a 1911 kind of guy, but he's welcome to shoot mine any time.

usp_fan
November 30, 2005, 02:51 PM
Get the USP!!!

Just kidding. Only get it if it fits and point well for you. The same goes for the other pistols in your line up. Play with them a lot, and you'll find the one that fits you best. Then the decision becomes lots easier.

--usp_fan

After reading the posts above, it seems like you already did that. Good for you.

Black92LX
November 30, 2005, 05:59 PM
He's a Mustang man.

I don't see him as a 1911 kind of guy, but he's welcome to shoot mine any time.

I will have one eventually just have some others that top the priority list.

Speaking of yours I have still yet to shoot your new one:D

f4t9r
November 30, 2005, 07:20 PM
Just Buy the whole list

poppy
December 1, 2005, 12:31 PM
Here is my take. As a poor college student, my first gun was a used .22 revolver; easy and cheap to shoot so I echo the responders who suggest a .22; however you are doing your homework and have a list of premium centerfire autoloaders. Here is my suggestion, besides shooting them before buying:

Go to gun shows and look for used examples on your list. Don't be afraid to buy used; if you are patient you can find a LNIB pistol for a substancial savings, and more savings if the gun does not have the spare mag or box. Another option at least for the Sig is to buy a certified pre owned one. Assuming that you are still the poor college student after the initial purchase and can't afford much center fire ammo, then with the savings of buying used, buy a .22 conversion unit. Then you have the best of both worlds; a premium center fire autoloader and a way to shoot it cheap. poppy

Edit: I guess I should have read the whole thread before responding and also should have noted the original posting date of Aug 2003! It appears that you are no longer a poor college student, but maybe there are some other students that will benefit from my sage advice. poppy

brickboy240
December 1, 2005, 12:50 PM
If your FN choice means a Hi-Power...I'll stop here.

If not, then the Springfield XD-9 is hard to beat. Did you see the torture test that Handguns Magazine did on this pistol? Impressive. Besides, it feels good in the hand, has a better trigger than Glocks and a lifetime warranty and is very well priced. The aftermarket IS catching on, because of the popularity of the XD. There are scads of quality holsters and accessories...don't be fooled. I have an XD-40 and it has never failed to function in the year I have owned it...I don NOT baby it in any way and it is as reliable as the sunrise. I cannot say that for other 40SW pistols I have onwed. It is also fairly accurate and comfortable to carry.

The Sig 226 is a great choice too, but loses points for it's d/a complexity and higher price. If you like the Sig 226 and you can easliy afford it - buy it.

Still, you can buy a new XD-9, plenty of practice ammo and a nice holster for the price of a new Sig 226...something to consider!

- Brickboy240

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