Defensive umbrella, anyone?


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seeker_two
February 17, 2008, 06:10 PM
Well, I think my old Spaulding golf umbrella looks like it's about to give up the ghost after 15+ years of good service as a rain shield and a defensive weapon (short staff/cane/short, semi-blunt spear). Time to find a replacement. Problem is that I can't find a well-made umbrella with a strong main shaft and sturdy, metal-tipped point.

Does anyone know of a good umbrella brand out there that would meet my needs?

(Please, no sword/knife umbrellas. Not Texas-friendly....)

Thanks in advance..... :D

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Timthinker
February 17, 2008, 07:34 PM
You might wish to visit the website www.real-self-defense.com. A gentleman on that website named Tom Kurz sells a sturdy-and expensive-umbrella that might meet your needs. I hope this helps.


Timthinker

loandr.
February 17, 2008, 08:56 PM
http://www.real-self-defense.com/umbrella.html

good advise :-)

LD

seeker_two
February 17, 2008, 11:00 PM
Thanks......

....any suggestions that cost less than my last medical bill?.... :o

JShirley
February 18, 2008, 04:51 PM
Shucks. It only has to last once...

ArfinGreebly
February 18, 2008, 05:08 PM
I'm an instant fan.

I carried an umbrella everywhere in Europe and England for years.

Even in summer. Because with EU/UK weather, you just never know.

I would never have used it like that (well maybe one or two strikes) because it would simply not have held up. The shaft was a skinny, flimsy metal tube.

This one, on the other hand, looks to be just the ticket.

Add to Christmas/Birthday list.

Vonderek
February 18, 2008, 06:18 PM
Here are two:

http://www.atlantacutlery.com/atlantacutlery/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=umbrella

hso
February 19, 2008, 03:07 PM
(Please, no sword/knife umbrellas. Not Texas-friendly....)

And not very practical either.

Skofnung
February 20, 2008, 12:24 AM
I've always wanted to make or have made an umbrella with a solid or solid as possible steel shaft.

If that dratted Real SD umbrella weren't quite so expensive, I'd have two.

As it stands, I guess my collapsible Wallyworld special will have to do.

slzy
February 22, 2008, 07:27 PM
why would a sword/knife umbrella be any less effective than any cold weapon that has to be extracted from something or other to use?

pbhome71
February 22, 2008, 09:08 PM
It is not effectiveness issue. It is rather that the sword/knife umbrella is illegal in most places.

hso
February 23, 2008, 04:59 AM
Actually, it is an effectiveness issue.

A good "stick" is better than a cheap knife in almost all circumstances. Stick trumps knife most times. Cheap sword canes and umbrellas are novelty items intended to get the unwitting to spend money on a nearly useless item. Useful sword canes require more training to be of practical use and are more expensive than a sturdy cane.

Diamondback6
February 23, 2008, 05:11 AM
As my sig says on another board, quoting our own Massad Ayoob:
"Mr. Atta, I'll see your box-cutter and raise you three feet of American hardwood."

Timthinker
February 23, 2008, 06:52 AM
One key word Hso used in his post was "cheap". Some sword canes literally have their blades made from pot metal. They are dull and often brittle. Now, a dull blade can be sharpened, but if it is long and thin, then other problems arise that you do not need in a self-defense situation. If forced to defend myself with a blade, I would prefer something thick and sharp like a bowie rather than a thin blade which exists on many sword cane designs. This is a personal opinion, but I believe it merits serious consideration.


Timthinker

inkhead
February 24, 2008, 01:44 AM
sword canes are a great way to get yourself cut in a fight. You are barely gripping the handle, and there is no handle guard when you jab to protect your hand from sliding up. Not to mention you can't take it to the airport, and you will have to wait at the scene of the crime to see if the officers press charges against you.

However with the one from real-self-defense, you should think of it like an ASP baton. If you've ever been hit by one, the flexible motion is what makes it unbearably painful. This umbrella is very much like an asp baton with an umbrella over it.

Defending yourself on the street with this umbrella is alot less likely to get you detained or arrested for defending yourself with an umbrella.

seeker_two
February 24, 2008, 10:18 AM
Legallity and carryablilty are my issues. Sword/knife umbrellas and canes are illegal to carry in public in Texas. Also, one can carry an umbrella many places where you can't carry a gun, knife, or even a cane (museums, airports, gov't buildings). And x-rays and astute security personnel will find the blade.

If I need a knife, I'll bring a good one (and often do)....

Keep the suggestions coming, please.....

Patrick_Henry
March 7, 2008, 10:20 PM
Would it be possible to build and umbrella around a good cane?

ArfinGreebly
March 8, 2008, 01:20 AM
Sure.

After all, most early umbrellas were wooden, with a pair of metal collars and ribs.

I've seen umbrellas built around a bamboo shaft.

Seen in J. Smith & Sons in London, 1982/1983. I'll bet they have a web site nowadays . . . and indeed they do (http://www.james-smith.co.uk/).

And they still do the solid walking stick umbrella (http://james-smith.athena.titaninternet.co.uk/productcategory.cfm?SectionID=21).

Polished Hickory, also in Maple
http://james-smith.athena.titaninternet.co.uk/productimages/74LARGE.jpg
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=109322&d=1258443524


Pricey, but the point is they do it, so it can be done.

All you need to find is someone in this country who can build it for a reasonable price.

hso
March 8, 2008, 10:11 AM
AG,

Now why did you have to go and show that to me?!?

Almost $400? That should deter me effectively.

Patrick_Henry
March 8, 2008, 11:16 AM
Hmmm.. I can't really buy one of those but I should def take a look and see if I can't figure out how to make one...

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