Vintage Hollywood Gunplay
Cosmoline
August 3, 2003, 10:42 PM
Just watched "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" again. AWESOME film on every level. Bogart's best performance ever, IMHO. A few "tactical" observations:
The fist fight where the main characters confront a former boss who skipped out on them after a job and refused to pay up was quite realistic. Nothing fancy, just brutal kicking, grabbing and beating. All over in a minute or two--none of your drawn-out absurdity with characters taking hit after hit with only a bloody lip to show for it.
The firearms were great. My video was grainy, but if I saw correctly they went on their expedition armed with Colt revolvers (not sure on the type--almost looked like PPS's) and Winchester '92's--and made good use of them against the "we don't need no badges" crowd! Walter Huston, as the old man prospector, is awesome--and the only charcter who really knows how to shoot his Colt. He alone AIMS before he fires, and he gets results.
What other great silver screen action pictures are there lurking on the dusty shelves out there?
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Dave R
August 4, 2003, 12:09 AM
The first gunplay I remember enjoying as a kid was "Tell Them Valdez is Coming". Burt Lancaster is Valdez. He rescues hostage. When the bad guys come after him, he makes incredibly long shots, like Quigley, with his own handloads. He actually adjusts his vernier sight before taking the shots.
glockten
August 4, 2003, 12:10 AM
The Lives Of A Bengal Lancer with Gary Cooper: 1935 film about British soldiers in India.
The Four Feathers: original, 1939 version.
Gunga Din:1939 Cary Grant film based on the Kipling poem.
For Whom The Bell Tolls:1943, another Gary Cooper movie, based on the great Hemingway novel. Set in the Spanish Civil War. Powerful ending, with Cooper, Ingrid Bergman (IMO, one of the most beautiful women ever to grace the screen), and a Lewis gun (on topic).:)
Red River:1948, a John Wayne western. Need I say more?
White Heat:1949, James Cagney as a psychotic gangster. TOP OF THE WORLD, MA!
Cosmoline
August 4, 2003, 12:18 PM
I'm on a quest to find "White Heat." Far too few Cagney films at the video stores here.
Mike Irwin
August 4, 2003, 01:10 PM
Winchester 1873 with Jimmy Stewart. Next to the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance it's probably one of the greatest westerns ever made.
Stagecoach.
There's another with Bogart about a WW II tank crew... Sahara, I believe.
moa
August 4, 2003, 06:27 PM
"Treasure of the Sierra Madre" is a great film. I think I hae seen it 10-12 times over the years. It is serious drama and not a "shoot'em up" action film.
"Sahara" with Bogart is excellent too if you can get past the 1943 WWII propaganda orations.
As far as gunplay are concerned, the Alan Ladd western "Shane" is pretty good to and is serious drama. Jack Palance is great bad guy, gunfighter in the movie. "High Noon" western with Gary Cooper is pretty decent too.
For pretty serious, believable action movies I like the 1995 "Last of the Mohicans', "Blackhawk Down", "Saving Private Ryan" and the HBO series "Band of Brothers".
An interesting movie drama with some pretty good action is a film most people have probably never heard of called "Black Robe". It is about a Jesuit priest in Canada in the 1600s among the Huron and Iroquois Indians, who were pretty nasty to everybody. It is a Canadian file made about six years ago or so.
HBK
August 4, 2003, 07:11 PM
It was more recent, but what was y'all's impression of the gunplay in Tombstone?
Cosmoline
August 4, 2003, 07:21 PM
"Treasure of the Sierra Madre" is a great film. I think I hae seen it 10-12 times over the years. It is serious drama and not a "shoot'em up" action film."
Indeed, yet it had some great gunplay and action scenes. The best action films are also great dramas, IMHO. Like "Scarface," for example. And most anything from Shakespeare or Homer.
I liked Tombstone. But then again it had a pretty awesome cast! I wish it had more Sam Elliot. Can't have enough of Sam Elliot.
MessedUpMike
August 4, 2003, 09:36 PM
:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
Tombstone.
Horrible stupid dumb typical hollywierd movie. Of course the guns going off all over the place is cool, but the movie has about as much historical accuracy as "Bowling for :barf: :barf: :barf: " I can't even bring myself to finfish the title.
As much as I hated the rest of the movie Dennis Quaid's portrayl of Doc Holiday seemed far more realistic to me. The key is to keep the sound of unless you see Quaid, and to keep it in fast forward until you see guns. The first shootout they show between to bars brawlers actually caused me to "pucker" the first time I saw it.
LawDog
August 4, 2003, 10:21 PM
Hmm. In my copy of Tombstone, Val Kilmer is playing Doc Holliday, not Dennis Quaid.
Did I get ripped off here?
LawDog
cool45auto
August 4, 2003, 10:24 PM
In my copy of Tombstone, Val Kilmer is playing Doc Holliday, not Dennis Quaid.
Did I get ripped off here?
:neener:
Tamara
August 4, 2003, 10:25 PM
Yeah, I thought Dennis Quaid's fantastic portrayal of Doc Holliday was in Wyatt Earp, not Tombstone... :confused:
;)
hansolo
August 4, 2003, 10:38 PM
On the WWII Front, two of my faves are "Memphis Belle" and "Battleground.
In the "Steenkin' Badges" era, " two faves are "The Shootist"
and "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid"
P.S. I'm over 50, so Brad Pitt & Ben Affleck dont hold a candle to
icons like The Duke, Audey Murphy, Dorothy Lamour and "Paleface"(Bob Hope...G_D rest his unique soul.
:(
CWL
August 5, 2003, 04:17 AM
Beau Geste -Foriegn Legion v. Arab flick
All Quiet on the Western Front -a view of WWI from the German perspective.
Stalingrad -once again from German perspective
Cross of Iron -Hollywood German movie
BHPshooter
August 5, 2003, 10:54 AM
The gunfight near the end of True Grit is awesome. Not quite as "golden age" as Sierra Madre, but still a good flick.
BTW, I am 19, and The Duke, Cary Grant, Humphrey Bogart, etc. ALL beat the new-age actors, like Brad Pitt and Ben Affleck. No comparison. See, all of us youngsters aren't warped! ;)
Wes
BowStreetRunner
August 5, 2003, 02:41 PM
speaking of old actors(actresses) lauren bacall and ingrid bergman
mmmmmmm
:rolleyes:
and to keep it on topic:
gotta love "beau geste"
great movie, even for the old school cliches
and a great twist at the end
not just a silly shoot em up
BSR
Duncan Idaho
August 5, 2003, 03:09 PM
True GritRooster : "I mean to kill you in one minute Ned, or see you hanged in Ft.Smith at Judge Parker's convenience. Which'll it be ?"
Ned Pepper : "I call that bold talk for a one eyed fat man."
Rooster : "Fill your hand you Son of a *itch ! "
:evil:
Is this a great country or what? :D
MessedUpMike
August 5, 2003, 04:44 PM
I meant in Wyatt Earp, that's what I get for posting and babysitting at the same time.:uhoh:
Shalako
August 5, 2003, 08:01 PM
The Magnificent Seven. 1960. I finally saw this movie the other night and it is awesome. Yul Brenner is one cooool dude. McQueen, Bronson, Coburn, the list goes on. Whatever you do, do not get the 1999 version. It royally sucked. (I grabbed the wrong one the first time :rolleyes: )
But for all-time hot gals of the silver screen.....Greta Garbo. Ooooh yeah baby!
Drifting Fate
August 5, 2003, 08:54 PM
Not black and white, but "They Would be Kings," "Wind and the Lion," and "The Wild Bunch."
Of course, "Heat."
Hollywood Modern - "Las Man Standing,"
And, for a totally goof ball Sci-Fi "Equilibrium" - tell me the Gun Kata doesn't make you smile (after a case of beers, still, smiles all around.)
Mossyrock
August 6, 2003, 12:08 AM
But dig up a copy of "The Professionals" with Lee Marvin and Burt Lancaster. Takes place between the Spanish American War and WWI. Great flick! Not only is the gun handling good, but the one-liners are worth the price of the movie.
Lead Actress to Burt Lancaster: "You go to Hell!!"
Burt Lancaster (with big smile): "Yes Ma'am...I'm on my way."
4v50 Gary
August 6, 2003, 12:28 AM
Burt Lancaster in Valdez is Coming. That's the original long range Quigly shot.:D
spacemanspiff
August 24, 2003, 01:22 AM
heh. i just watched 'house of 1000 corpses'. rob zombie and his crew did their research on gunshots. realistic entry and exit wounds. not to get too gory, but after one person was shot (head) the bullet exited and kicked up dust on a slightly different trajectory than the entrance was.
shooter used what looked like a milspec 1911, as it was set in the late 70's.
wouldnt recommend this movie if you dont like gore and violence. but if you do, well enjoy!
2nd Amendment
August 24, 2003, 01:47 AM
Just watched Last of the Mohicans again tonite...
Hmmmmm...
Scene towards the end where Lewis picks up two rifles and fires both, killing two Huron(Mohawk?). Not sure if it's just the clumsy cuts of both going down or the very idea of getting two accurate hits the way he had the rifles that bothers me. That and the clumsy cuts on the reaction shots to the young Mohican losing the knife fight and going over the cliff, soon followed by the lead actress' sister, a few minutes later. Both really dampened the "willing suspension of disbelief" for me. Still, overall, it's a gorgeous movie.
What was that line?
"How are you going west when there's a war on?"
"Well, we just head north and then kinda turn left..."
Something like that. Priceless.
Josey
August 24, 2003, 02:34 AM
Hey Sgt. York, Bataan, The Professinals, Silverado, I enjoyed Costner shooting two BGs with that angle, Pale Rider, Conagher and my all time favorite, Lonesome Dove.
roscoe
August 24, 2003, 04:23 AM
Winchester 73 - I just bought the DVD and it is pretty cool. Some fancy shooting - hitting silver dollars mid-flight, etc.
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