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jimk66
February 18, 2008, 02:07 PM
Help.....S&W 640 and 642. Are larger grips available? Right now I hate shooting both of them because of the small grips. I don't care to hear any comments regarding concealability issues.
Can you just tell me where to find them if available?
Thanks,
JimK

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IMtheNRA
February 18, 2008, 02:19 PM
Have you looked at Nill Grips from Germany? They offer some very large sizes and their grips are very, very comfy!

Old Fuff
February 18, 2008, 02:30 PM
Both the 640 and 642 Smith and Wesson's take standard round-butt, J-frame stocks, and it would seem that they're endless suppliers. For a starter, try www.cdnnsports.com - and also consider our own member "robbt". If concealment isn't an issue, consider stocks that convert the round-butt configuration to an easier-to-hold-on-to square butt one.

Jackal
February 18, 2008, 02:47 PM
No offense, but why didnt you try google? Dont waste THR's members time or energy. You can get all the info you could ever use by running a simple google search.:banghead:

Old Fuff
February 18, 2008, 03:00 PM
Gee....

I didn't consider my time to be wasted. A Google search presumes that a person knows enough to find the right key words or terms. A one paragraph answer didn't take but a couple minutes, and really - being able to get answers to questions is one reason The High Road is so popular. :scrutiny: :)

The Lone Haranguer
February 18, 2008, 07:12 PM
don't care to hear any comments regarding concealability issues.
Can you just tell me where to find them if available?
OK, I won't say anything about the concealability that you will lose. ;)

Pachmayr makes their Gripper and Decelerator grips for your gun (S&W J-frame, round butt). They also have the Compac and Compac Professional, but these may not offer the cushioning you're looking for. Uncle Mike's/Butler Creek makes a slightly longer grip that adds length and covers the backstrap. Hogue makes the Monogrip in both wood and soft rubber. These do not typically cover the backstrap.

Dont waste THR's members time or energy.
It's OK, I had nothing better to do anyway. :rolleyes: ;)

jwxspoon
February 18, 2008, 07:30 PM
Hogue grips are larger than the factory grips IIRC.

jw

Iggy
February 18, 2008, 07:58 PM
Take a look at Hogues, Pachmayrs, Ahrends, Spegels, Eagle, and Badger.

That will give you a sample from inexpensive to more expensive.. You can go higher, but that's a start.

Vonderek
February 18, 2008, 08:09 PM
8 pages of j-frame grips at Midway:

http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?CurrentSort=manufacturer_a&CurrentCountRet=20&CurrentManufacture=AnyCompany&CategoryString=10613***662***12658***8622***13251***13252***&CategoryID=17472&BrandID=&page=2&KeyWord=&TabID=7&company_select=AnyCompany&search_keywords2=&sort1=manufacturer_a&PageSelect=2&RecordsReturned=20&PageSelect2=2&NextButton.x=11&NextButton.y=11&RecordsReturned2=20

Dadgummit! There goes a minute of my day!!:D

ArchAngelCD
February 19, 2008, 02:19 AM
I agree the "boot grips" on the J frame revolvers are hard to hold. S&W does have larger J frame rubber grips available Here (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=12994&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=46303&training=). Pachmayer (http://www.pachmayr.com/pachmayr/index.htm) has many different full size grips for the J frame including their Gripper Grips and their Decelerator Grips. Badger (http://www.badgercustomgrips.com/smith_and_wesson_pistol_grips.php) makes good wood grips for the J frame revolver too. Remember, anything marked Boot grips or Secret Service grips are the small grips so stay away from them. Hogue (http://www.hogueinc.com/getgrip/merchant.ihtml?id=87&step=2) has many different grips that are all good IMO. Both their rubber and wood grips are OK but don't buy "Bantam" grips because they are small and don't cover the backstrap. The Hogue J frame Monogrips (http://www.hogueinc.com/getgrip/merchant.ihtml?pid=1756&lastcatid=189&step=4) are outstanding IMO.

That should get you started and probably confuse you more that you are already. Just look around and when you find something you think might be right. Then just ask here on the forum and someone will have probably already used those grips and can give you a first hand report.

gruesomenewsom
February 19, 2008, 08:09 AM
ive got pachmayr compacs on mine and i love them. They're slightly oversize so your pinky has something to grab onto, but still concealable. They cover the rear backstrap and make the gun very manageable to shoot. I've also got the really big grips from pachmayr (look like they belong on an L-frame). i havent shot the gun in those grips yet but that would imagineable be much more tame on recoil.

harmonic
February 19, 2008, 11:00 AM
Here's some miscellaneous grip makers. In case you'd be willing to buy custom/semi custom.


http://www.ahrendsgripsusa.com/
http://www.ajaxgrips.com/ajax/ajax
http://www.badgercustomgrips.com/
http://www.boonetrading.com/Grips-Ruger.html
http://www.clccustomgrips.com/
http://www.eaglegrips.com/styles.htm
http://www.esmeralda.cc/
http://www.gungrips.net/
http://www.herrett-stocks.com/herretts.htm
http://www.hogueinc.com/
http://www.inventorscolony.com/collinscraftgrips/index.php
http://www.kelleyarms.com/SWDA.htm
http://nill-griffe.de/cms_usa/
http://www.t-grips.com/
http://www.pachmayr.com/
www.wickedgrips.com
http://www.woodgrips.com/

jimk66
February 19, 2008, 07:14 PM
Gentlemen, I appologize for the snotty remark regarding "concealability issues", but I was so dambed steamed after unsuccessfully trying everything I could think of to work out my shooting skill and technique to resolve my problems I've had with my little S&W 640 and 642 stubbles.
Finally after over 200 rounds down range (this time) with targets ranging from 4 - 12 yrds I threw up my hands in disgust with myself and the guns, packed them up and headed home convinced I was :cuss:ready to get rid of them. BUT, before I did and I know this is comparing apples and oranges I got out my little 9mm EMP and Sig P232 380acp just to make sure I wasn't having a very,very bad day. I proceeded to shoot consistant 2" groups at 36' with the 9mm and 2" groups at 20' with the 380acp so that answered that question. :o.
Anyway, thank you all again for your suggestions and the education....I'd never messed with revolvers until lately so differeft style names of the grips helped out alol in my understanding of what to look for. Boot grips, etc. :cool:(that'll keep me busy for awhile checking those out) on where I might find some larger grips that probably will help my situation with these little revolvers.
Jackal, Google's an unbelievable SE (thats short for Search Engine), thanks.
Hopefully, new grips will improve my opinion with these little stubbles (my first by the way).
I love shootiang my S&W 686+P with 4" brl and do very well with that big ol horse. ;) , but thats also a different animal. It's my field gun loaded with mags....awsome wheel gun especially if I mount the redot on her.
Thanks again fellows and feel free to toss out any question you might have on firearms on here and I guarantee 99.9% of us here and the same goes for other forums will go out of our way to help a fellow shooter out. Reason is......most of us have been in the same boat and it feels good to help out.
Bless and thanks a million,
JimK

Blueduck
February 19, 2008, 07:26 PM
Not a grip issue but just a tip you might try.

I used a blackout pen on the rear sight of my 642, and put a little blaze orange sight paint on the front to give a better, sharper contrasting sight picture and got better results with mine (Nail polish works fine as well as on the front.)

Nothing like being a middle age bald guy going through the "wild" nail polish section looking for lime greens and bright oranges ;)

The Lone Haranguer
February 19, 2008, 09:32 PM
The problem with oversize grips is that they defeat the purpose of having a little gun, which is to hide in places that a larger gun cannot, and if excessively large you might as well go to a medium-frame revolver. The small-frame revolver, especially a lightweight or fleaweight one, is of the most difficult types of guns to shoot well.

saemetric
February 20, 2008, 01:48 AM
Here's what I have on my S&W M637 Airweight. They are Shooting Stars by Herrett. Some compromise in pocket but I carry in holster.

Soybomb
February 20, 2008, 12:39 PM
I have the same problem with a jframe, I've put herrett stocks on mine too ( I believe from our very own Brian Williams ;) ) and also a t-grip in the front. It really helps fill my hand better now.

http://cyber-byte.com/cent/cent2.jpg

Jerry Miculek uses a different grip on a jframe that can really make boot grips work better too though, at least for me. Take a look toward the bottom of this page. http://www.shootingusa.com/PRO_TIPS/MICULEK2/miculek2.html

P97
February 20, 2008, 03:10 PM
I have large hands and when I first shot my 642 I hated it. I ordered a set of pachmayr grips and it made all the difference in the world in the felt recoil and control when shooting it. The 642 with larger grips, handles as well as a larger gun, conceals as well, and is a whole lot lighter. :)

brentfoto
March 6, 2008, 02:00 PM
P97-

Could you please specify the EXACT Pachmayr grips you refer to. I'm considering four different Pachmayr's for the J frame:

1. Gripper
2. Decelerator
3. Compac
4. Compac Professional

Controlling recoil is important.

Will carry in Mika Pocket Holster, so I don't think much of an issue.

I am leaning toward the Decelarators. I have medium size hands.

Comments from others also appreciated.

brentfoto
March 6, 2008, 02:02 PM
jimk66 Help.....S&W 640 and 642. Are larger grips available? Right now I hate shooting both of them because of the small grips. I don't care to hear any comments regarding concealability issues.
Can you just tell me where to find them if available?
Thanks,
JimK

What grips did you end with? Are you happy about your selection?

I have the same concerns as you posted re recoil.

ArchAngelCD
March 6, 2008, 02:48 PM
jimk66,
Going from a semi-auto to a short revolver with a heavy trigger is a whole different world. Give yourself time!! It's all trigger control.

This will help you a lot! Buy a set of snapcaps and pull the trigger on your revolver 500-600 times and you will get much better at trigger control. Because of the absence of recoil you will be able to see what you are going to the revolver when you pull the trigger. You will then be able to make the adjustments needed to fire the snub nose correctly. The added bonus is a much smoother trigger because of all the trigger pulls.

Give yourself time to learn a new skill, don't give up!

brentfoto
March 13, 2008, 03:44 PM
As to the OP, I would recommend the Pachmayr Decelerators for the J-frame. These are considerably larger grips. Try to purchase from Midway, Graf's & Sons, Inc., etc.

Sorry, but I have found it appropriate to also comment re pocket carry concealability for those with different needs than OP.

1. UM stock boot grips - too uncomfortable with the recoil
terrific for pocket concealability.

2. Hogue Bantam Grips - too uncomfortable with the recoil
terrific for pocket concealability. Lighter than the UM's boot grips, but less comfortable with the recoil-my subjective opinion.

3. Pachmayr Decelerators - very good for the recoil
may be the best for recoil-BUT TOO LARGE imho for pocket concealability. As to esthetics-possibly the nicest looking rubber grip I've seen in lower-cost category. However, they are large and sort of defeat the purpose of shooting and carrying a J frame.

4. Hogue Monogrip (rubber)- better than UM or Bantam for recoil, but not as good as Decelerators.

This rubber Monogrip may be the best compromise overall for recoil control and concealability in a pocket holster. I don't know yet. Covered backstrap, and a little gap between top of grip and frame, but no big deal.

They're slightly large for pocket carry but can be so carried. It IS a bit of a compromise-perhaps that's why I've actually seen a PETITION to Hogue on the internet to manufacture a compromise grip in size between the Bantams and the Monogrip for the J frame.

5. Pachmayr Compacs- I'm getting the Compacs new from my vendor. My vendor does not sell the Compac Professionals, and I felt an obligation to buy Compac from them as they have accepted a return of the Decelerators.

I believe the Compac is smaller than the Monogrip by Hogue, so Compac will probably be better for concealability. And the Compac Professional is 10% smaller than the Compac. I'm getting those 'used' but supposedly in very good condition from a fellow poster on this board.


Will carry with either the Hogue Monogrip (rubber) or the Pachmayr Compac or Compac Professional in a POCKET HOLSTER.
I believe the Hogue may be slightly better for recoil but Compacs will be much better for concealabilty.

If you don't intend to carry in a pocket holster you cannot go wrong with the Decelerators in a IWB/OWB for carry. Probably best overall for range and/or plinking. Faired reasonably well shooting +P's, but why not get a K-frame instead? Those grips are indeed large.

I subscribe to the theory that if you are going to carry a J-frame for self-defense that you should always practice with the identical grip you will be using for carry.

Notwithstanding what I have said in above paragraphs, I am considering STOCK UM BOOT GRIPS for carry, and the same grips for practice, with lots of +P reloads and Speer .38 135gr GDSB- the most effective compromise to maintain consistency and comfort would be to practice wearing GLOVES with the UM's. This might be the best alternative for me.

My 442 with stock UM boot grips' empty weight is only 15.1 oz,, and 17.4 oz. fully loaded with the GDSB. Concealability is quite good in a Nemesis or Mika pocket holster.


Sorry for 'rambling', JMHO, YMMV. It's not easy to choose with what is available in rubber.

brentfoto
March 14, 2008, 01:45 PM
from Soybomb
Jerry Miculek uses a different grip on a jframe that can really make boot grips work better too though, at least for me. Take a look toward the bottom of this page.
February 19th, 2008 09:48 PM


Thanks for that very useful link, Soybomb. http://www.shootingusa.com/PRO_TIPS/MICULEK2/miculek2.html

Helped greatly with firmness of hold and shooting accuracy.

brentfoto
March 26, 2008, 09:38 PM
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x225/brentfoto/image0002-7.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x225/brentfoto/image0001-10.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x225/brentfoto/image0002-8.jpg

I believe these new Pachmayr Compac Grips will be the best rubber grips overall for the J-frame-I believe carry grip should also be practice grip. Can't wait to shoot with these new grips.

Initial impression-appears to have good cushioning of the hand, three finger grip (I really like that!), relatively soft rubber compared to the Compac Professionals, smaller than the Hogue Monogrips-more attractive and also easier to conceal than the Monogrips.

TwinCarry
April 30, 2008, 06:20 PM
These are nice to hold as well.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb95/swa18382/Holster%20for%20Sale/CIMG2386.jpg

brentfoto
April 30, 2008, 06:28 PM
Update: Pachmayr Compac Grips are quite attractive and feel great in the hand. Unfortunately, they are a tad large for pocket carry, but this can be accomplished.

More importantly they do not provide the requisite cushioning, IMO, shooting multiple +P loads for practice. My hand hurts from the recoil using those grips.

The only rubber grips I have found anywhere near-suitable for practice (and carry) with multiple rounds of +P ammo is the Hogue Monogrip. They're good for recoil; OTOH, you do sacrifice some concealability.

The Pachmayr Decelerators are simply too large for the gun. I sold them promptly because they nearly turned my J-frame into a K-frame.

Currently, I practice shooting +P with the Hogue Monogrip, and carry with the Hogue Bantam Grip. Eventually, I may build up my hand enough to practice shooting numerous +P with the Bantam.

1BLINDREF
April 30, 2008, 06:30 PM
I've got a set of Crimson Trace LG305 laser grips on my 642 (on the right) and a pair of Hogues (I forgot the model #) on my 640.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/Smiths/IMG_2235.jpg

I have big hands and the LG305s are just long enough for me to get a good handle on my little 642 and the rubber grips help with the recoil.
The Hogues soak up the recoil of the .357mag in my 640 nicely and are the perfect size for my hands.

brentfoto
April 30, 2008, 06:34 PM
The Hogue Monogrip (rubber) is depicted on the left in your photograph, above.

It's product code #60000 for the J-frame round butt rubber Hogue Monogrip.

rdrancher
May 1, 2008, 01:33 AM
You might want to take a look at these. http://cgi.ebay.com/SMITH-AND-WESSON-J-FRAME-FINGER-GROOVE-GRIPS_W0QQitemZ230248525558QQihZ013QQcategoryZ73944QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I purchased a pair awhile ago, but just put them on my 642 today. They cover the backstrap and allow a rest for the pinky for a full grip on the gun. The grip-to-frame fit is excellent and they're also very light - in fact my 642 weighed in at 14.3oz on the digital scale sans ammo.

The seller does not know who makes them (he gets them from a distributor). They do say "Made in Italy" on the inside.

I shot 50 rounds behind the barn with the new grips and found them to be pretty comfortable. I also pocket carried in a #3 Uncle Mikes all day today and the little 'j' concealed just fine in my Wrangler carpenter jean shorts.

I usually outfit my snub with a set of stags, or wood Magnas and a T-grip, but I have to admit that I really liked how these Italian jobs worked!

My camera has been on the fritz, but I'll try to post a photo of the grips on the gun tomorrow.

rd

brentfoto
May 1, 2008, 11:37 AM
Are these IMO expensive grips made of rubber, plastic or some other material?
They also do not contain S&W logo or any other.

It appears they are as light as the Bantams, as 14.3 oz. is the empty weight of my 442 with the Bantams. The Bantams weigh appx. 1.4 oz.

Please shoot 50 +P consecutively in less than 12 minutes with these grips and report back to us.

rdrancher
May 1, 2008, 02:10 PM
Are these IMO expensive grips made of rubber, plastic or some other material?
They also do not contain S&W logo or any other.

It appears they are as light as the Bantams, as 14.3 oz. is the empty weight of my 442 with the Bantams. The Bantams weigh appx. 1.4 oz.

Please shoot 50 +P consecutively in less than 12 minutes with these grips and report back to us.

Brent - These grips are wood. What kind I can't tell you. The seller does not know either.

Price and value are a subjective deal. Priced at about a quarter of what I spent on my stags and about the same price as a T-grip, their not too expensive in my opinion. Your's may differ.

Arthritis is kicking my tail (wrists really) so I don't practice with or carry +P ammo. Currently I'm using Buffalo Bore's 158gr LSWCHC Standard Pressure. I will say though that (for me) they are much better in absorbing recoil than the stock rubbers or S&W wood laminates made by Altamont.

Still working on pics for you.

rd

brentfoto
May 1, 2008, 02:25 PM
I had no idea they were wood. Thus, they are priced accordingly.

I can not imagine the recoil being better with wood compared to rubber grips, though. However, I'm not surprised they're better than the UM rubber boot grips-I find them poor for recoil.

How would you compare them (if you can) to the Hogue Monogrip re felt recoil shooting your BB non+P 158?

Thanks,

rdrancher
May 1, 2008, 03:16 PM
Sorry Brent, I've never shot the Hogue's. I have shot the Pachmayr Compac's on my Vintage Charter Arms though with the same ammo, and these Italian woodies feel a little better.

I think most of the felt-recoil is in the top 1/2" of the grip (for me anyway). Any grips that extend to the rear and cover the backstrap and are also wider in this area seem to help. The woodies are wider than the Compacs at the top.

rd

prescobd
May 1, 2008, 08:27 PM
Since you stated that concealabilty was not an issue, may I suggest you look at the new wood grips S&W is putting on the Model 60 Pro revolver. It doesn't distract too much from concealabilty and they feel great.

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