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Buttermilk
February 19, 2008, 02:14 PM
Those of us who are voting in Ohio and Texas on March 4th, have an opportunity to do some good with our votes this time.
The Republican candidate has pretty much been chosen for us no matter whether we like it or not. So,,,, that means for our vote to count and accomplish something, we must vote for Obama in the primary and shut down the Clinton political machine before the convention and then vote for McCain in the general election.
This is legal, in Texas, and a good way to stop Hillary and Bill and protect our liberties and freedoms.
Politics makes strange bedfellows doesn't it!!

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george29
February 20, 2008, 01:57 PM
Hillary hopes you have forgotten. Have you?

Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her 'record,' which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or 'co-president' - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:

- As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize 'anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)

- Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.'

- Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn.

- Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster supposedly committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

- Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene Confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee in 1996 both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.)

- In order to open 'slots' in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

---- Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the 'bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense:

---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.

---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.

---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury.

---- And Bill went on trial for impeachment by the House.

---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath).

- Hillary accepted the traditional First Lady's role of decorator of the White House at Christmas, but in a unique Hillary way. In 1994, for example, The First Lady's Tree in the Blue Room (the focal point each year) was Decorated with drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and pornographic ornaments, all personally approved by Hillary as the invited artists' depictions of the theme, 'The Twelve Days of Christmas.'

- Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.

- Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.

- Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.

- In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the 'woman card' by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.

- Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)

- As the junior Senator from New York , Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.

- Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

Quite a resume, isn't it? Sounds more like an organized crime family...

Make sure America remembers. Pass this on.

Oana
February 20, 2008, 03:54 PM
Yeah, but the question is: who would win in McCain vs. Obama or McCain vs. Hillary? Many Republicans would do the "Anyone But Hillary" vote if she wins the Democratic primary, but would they feel that way about Obama? And Obama is just about as bad.

patentmike
February 20, 2008, 04:27 PM
I am voting for Huckabee in the primary because McCain needs to hear the voice of conservatives rather than think that we are just going to shut up and get with his program. Besides, if I vote Dem, doesn't that mean I have to pass on the Republicans vying for local offices?

In the general election, unless we miraculously get a brokered convention and wind up nominating someone better, I will vote for McCain rather than Communism or Obamunism.

Link to voter guide
http://freemarket.org/Img/2008%20Texas%20Primary%20Voters'%20Guide4.pdf

LAR-15
February 20, 2008, 05:09 PM
Are you voting for the US House and Senate too?

ilbob
February 20, 2008, 06:43 PM
I guess it boils down to who is the candidate McCain is more likely to beat.

Hillary is not well liked, even by her own party insiders. She has to all but hold a gun to their heads to keep them in line, and even then there are defections almost every day. She can run, but she cannot hide forever from her past, and who she is.

Obama is likable, but no one knows what he really stands for because he is running on personal charisma and not much else. McCain might be able to break through to the average citizen about this and create enough doubt about Obama that he might be beatable. The key would seem to be whether Obama can keep up the sham for 9 more months. he will also be very hard to criticize, for personal failings, or for policy issues due to his ethnicity.

I think its a tossup as to which is the preferable candidate to try and beat in the fall at this point.

I hope the republican party does not fall for some consultant telling them to nominate a women or minority for VP. I think that would be seen for what it is. Now if a prominent republican who just happened to be female or minority stepped up to the plate in the natural course of politics, that might work.

patentmike
February 21, 2008, 01:53 PM
Are you voting for the US House and Senate too?
Yes.

There is also a referenedum on the Republican ballot regarding whether immigration enforcement should be part of the platform. McCain needs to see overwhelming support for that to help him with his recent conversion.

chemist308
February 21, 2008, 07:05 PM
Hillary hopes you have forgotten. Have you?

Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her 'record,' which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or 'co-president' - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:

- As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize 'anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)

- Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.'

- Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn.

- Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster supposedly committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

- Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene Confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee in 1996 both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.)

- In order to open 'slots' in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

---- Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the 'bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense:

---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.

---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.

---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury.

---- And Bill went on trial for impeachment by the House.

---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath).

- Hillary accepted the traditional First Lady's role of decorator of the White House at Christmas, but in a unique Hillary way. In 1994, for example, The First Lady's Tree in the Blue Room (the focal point each year) was Decorated with drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and pornographic ornaments, all personally approved by Hillary as the invited artists' depictions of the theme, 'The Twelve Days of Christmas.'

- Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.

- Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.

- Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.

- In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the 'woman card' by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.

- Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)

- As the junior Senator from New York , Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.

- Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

Quite a resume, isn't it? Sounds more like an organized crime family...

Make sure America remembers. Pass this on.
__________________

In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the first case in which the Court had an opportunity to interpret the Second Amendment, it stated that the right confirmed by the Second Amendment "is not a right granted by the constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."



This needs to be a chain email. And put that bit about Hillary's records being sealed right up top! Most have forgotten that one, and it speaks volumes to her character.

NGIB
February 21, 2008, 07:59 PM
Folks, just look at the Draconian gun laws in Illinois and ask yourself if you really want Obama in the White House. I personally feel he is the most dangerous person running as far as 2A issues go. The lets all just get along crowd actually believe that if you take guns away - crime will disappear as well.

Doesn't matter that it hasn't worked anywhere else as these folks don't use anything resembling logic or common sense. To be honest, the junior senator from Illinois scares me...

TexasRifleman
February 21, 2008, 08:03 PM
Are you voting for the US House and Senate too?

Yes and State House also. In my area I've got 2 candidates that are after a State House seat. Both are Republicans but one is a well known Pro 2A candidate that must be supported and I can't waste my vote playing games.

If there was nothing else on the ballot I'd probably go vote for Obama for these reasons, but Bill Zedler needs my vote, and he's a highly rated pro 2A candidate.

hank327
February 21, 2008, 08:29 PM
I'll be voting for Obama this weekend. I want to put an end to Hillary's bid for the Presidency ASAP. The thought of possibly 8 years of her and Bill back in the White House is unbearable. Do y'all realize that if she wins that we will most likely have had 28 consecutive years of Bushes and Clintons as President? That is just too much power for two families to have. March 4th is a very good opportunity to put paid to Hillary's run. I'd rather stop her now than try to do it in November. I'll risk an Obama presidency if I can insure we don't get another Clinton one.

txgolfer45
February 21, 2008, 08:30 PM
And Hillary says she is ready to step in on day 1?

I have the same dilemma of who to vote for in the Texas Primary. I'm thinking vote for Obama to get Hillary out and then vote for McCain in the general election.

3pairs12
February 21, 2008, 08:37 PM
I like the idea and was kicking it around for awhile,but with the loss of 10 states in a row on Hillary's part I think that she is a more desirable opponent. Much of the country has spoken their feelings about Hillary and it is not good. Obama has been riding on a tail wind and I would have to shoot myself in the foot if he were to win in Nov. I am voting Mike Huckabee in primary and probably McCain in general but I would love for that vote to be for Mike also. I watched him speak last night in Plano and there was really a pretty good crowd. He may still have a chance if we were to band together although this would be a border line miracle.
I still feel that Clinton would be easier to defeat in general election.

sammyspizza
February 21, 2008, 08:37 PM
i think that every conservative should vote for hillary and then mccain in the election. hillary is way less likely to actually get elected. people either love her, or hate her. besides, a lot of liberals would vote for mccain anyway.

wally
February 21, 2008, 08:39 PM
I'm holding my nose and voting in the Democratic primary. I agree Hillary is the most dangerous of the two. If we can stop her here and now, I think Obama will lose to McCain once people realize he's even more Liberal than Hillary.

Check the TSRA voters guide http://www.tsrapac.com/?D=11 and vote for the few A rated Democrats if you are in their districts while you are at it.

Obviously if you are in contested district where a pro 2A candidate needs support do it

As much as I'd rather be voting for Ron Paul, "sending a message" will look stupid if we don't cut off the head of Hillary when we had the chance!


An alternate strategy, which I think too complicated and risky to count on succeeding, is to vote for Hillary but not caucus so Hillary wins the vote but Obama wins the caucus and sows divisiveness. I say, knock her out while we have the chance!!!

--wally.

etex
February 21, 2008, 08:41 PM
I live in Texas and I voted today against Clinton for Obama. I will vote Republican in the general election. I believe Obama will be easier to defeat in November and also if he was elected he would not serve more than one term,
we would probably be stuck with Clinton for 8 years. Now is the time to cause the Clinton debacle.

george29
February 22, 2008, 02:58 AM
I agree with you Tex. The Dems havethe same idea regarding McCain / Huckubie which is why the NY Times has begun its smear campaign against McCain, it will make it easier to fight against Huckubie than McCain. They aint dumb neither boss.

Bowfishrp
February 22, 2008, 09:31 AM
I can't do it....I will NEVER vote for a Fing democrat as long as I live!

The liberal that I work with wants obamama and not clinton so which do you think is easier to beat? Personally I think McCain would easily beat hitlery but will lose to obamama simply because he is just like bill clinton was in 1992....he gives nice speeches and doesn't say anything...on purpose. As Rush says liberals can always be beat by the issues. You should have heard the obamama radio commercial this morning! He called lenders EVIL!

MaterDei
February 22, 2008, 09:43 AM
I agree that Obama will be easier to beat in November but I don't think McCain has a snowballs chance in Brownsville of beating either Hillary or Obama. Way too many of the Republican base, myself included, WILL NOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN.

Moonclip
February 22, 2008, 09:52 AM
I'm doing the vote for Obama in primary, vote for McCain(unfortunately) thing myself. I think Hillary has more of a chance in the real election, not many want to say it but I don't feel America will elect an African-American president. But I do feel many women would vote for Hillary solely because she is a woman though the primaries don't always show this. 1/2 the population is women, 12percent is African-American and I do believe a majority of them at this time are voting for Obama and IIRC they vote 90percent Democratic.

I in no way mean anything racist by these coments but I'm just keeping it real and I'd vote for Obama or a field mouse for that matter if they were genuinely pro gun. It's sad I have to be a one issue voter but thats the way it is.

ronwill
February 22, 2008, 09:56 AM
Don't forget the Clintons supported a U.N. gun ban during his reign.

coyotehitman
February 22, 2008, 10:34 AM
I'm doing the vote for Obama in primary, vote for McCain(unfortunately) thing myself. I think Hillary has more of a chance in the real election, not many want to say it but I don't feel America will elect an African-American president. But I do feel many women would vote for Hillary solely because she is a woman though the primaries don't always show this. 1/2 the population is women, 12percent is African-American and I do believe a majority of them at this time are voting for Obama and IIRC they vote 90percent Democratic.

I in no way mean anything racist by these coments but I'm just keeping it real and I'd vote for Obama or a field mouse for that matter if they were genuinely pro gun. It's sad I have to be a one issue voter but thats the way it is.

Valid points. Personally, I am scared of Hillary and Slick Willy, look how many suspicious deaths are somehow connected to the them. The Bonnie and Clyde of politics.

Why is it that you feel the need to point out that you are not a racist for stating a valid point?

rjohnson4405
February 22, 2008, 11:50 AM
Obama supports a nation-wide ban on CCW, is that worth Clinton losing?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

Look at the small paragraph below his picture/name.

hnk45acp
February 22, 2008, 11:57 AM
McCain is going to lose. Democratic primary voters outnumber Republican primary voters 6 to 1. Now it's down to who will McCain lose to.

coyotehitman
February 22, 2008, 12:01 PM
Obama supports a nation-wide ban on CCW, is that worth Clinton losing?


Clinton wont have to address CCW, there wont be any guns to carry.

george29
February 22, 2008, 01:34 PM
McCain is going to lose. Democratic primary voters outnumber Republican primary voters 6 to 1. Now it's down to who will McCain lose to.



I disagree, plenty of independents who are registered Democrats that will vote for JM and anyone that will not vote for McCain is voting for the Democrat candidate. Lets see which one of you big shots who claim they won't vote McCain say so the day after the Novemver election, especially if he goes to NRA sponsored events.
I prefer RP myself, reality right now is that it's either JM or a Dem.

FWIW, I'm an angry white man and John McCain is NOT my hero. This is the most unique elections of our history, a White Male Liberal Republican, a White Women Liberal and a Black Male Socialist.
All three are liberals, all of them are going to further damage this country, none of them will bring our troops home because logic says we need to stay there and complete the job (even Obama knows this). Universal health care will not happen and all three are basically in the same boat as far as most of the issues. It all boils down to safeguarding the Constitution, the two Dems want your guns and the third guy wants to spy on you but probably wont touch the guns.

White male liberal.
Black male liberal.
White female liberal.

Them's the choices.

hnk45acp
February 22, 2008, 01:55 PM
Hey I'm writing Ron Paul in. I can't bring myself to vote for any of them but numbers don't lie. Obama regularly gets more votes than all the republican candidates combined

george29
February 22, 2008, 02:02 PM
Hey I'm writing Ron Paul in. Or Snoopy. I hear ya.

Wedge
February 22, 2008, 02:33 PM
when I first read the title I thought it said Vomiting Strategy.

My title makes more sense.

Buttermilk
February 25, 2008, 02:29 PM
Folks,
I'm the one who started this thread and I just can't bring myself to vote for Obama against Hillary.
I just have to look at Huckabee and see that here is a man with a backbone, who has not apologized for his and his familys' gun ownership and carrying or his religion. That really says something about a person and I want my vote to be for someone with that much strength of character. He has an "A" rating from the NRA and his religious background leads me to believe he is a man of conviction that will stand for the principles that the Founding Fathers built our country on. His actions are speaking louder than his words and his tracks are straight. I know that with the current "Politically Correct" mantra that to speak up for Judeo-Christianity is wrong, but I don't have a problem with standing up for my beliefs. This country was founded for religious freedom and there is no separation of church and state except to say that we have that freedom and our government cannot force us to a certain religion. The Judeo-Christian influence is very strong throughout the Federalist Papers and our early history as is our freedom and right to have guns.
My apologies to any that I may have led astray! I don't want to be one of those gutless people who will vote for someone just because I think they will be the winner in the end, and I don't want to waste my vote trying to shut down the Clintonista political machine although I fear the Clintonista political machine more than I fear Obama.
Vote for Huckabee and send a message to your country that you are tired of this Politically Correct crap and the loss of our freedoms and liberties! Send a message to McCain that gun owners will be watching his every move and his platform better address gun ownership and the 2nd amendment correctly!

patentmike
February 26, 2008, 05:28 AM
I'm with you Buttermilk. This is from freemarket.org, the folks who print and mail out the the voter's guide. I tend to agree with number 3, voting Dem and expecting McCain to read your mind is a bit much.

"This Friday, February 29th is the last day of early voting!

Surveys show that the number of Democrats voting thus far has quadrupled since last election, and the number of Republicans voting thus far has doubled.

If you wait to vote on Election Day on March 4th you could find yourself in long lines.

There has also been discussion across the State by some regarding voting in the opposite party's primary-this is a bad idea.

WARNING: When You Don't Vote Your Values:

1) You cannot participate in your party's precinct convention
2) You cannot became a delegate of your party
3) You distort the poll numbers and force all candidates to gravitate towards the positions that appear, inaccurately, most popular
4) The candidate who truly represents your values is deprived of your vote"

Buttermilk
February 29, 2008, 02:24 PM
Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I went and did it yesterday!! Voted for Mike Huckabee and don't regret it. Brought home a copy of the ballot for the rest of the family to be sure the correct votes are cast. When they bring the receipt from the polling place, we will all go out to eat at a place of their choosing, my treat. And, we will have a block party celebrating our right to vote next weekend.
TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF ABSENTEE VOTING IN TEXAS!! GO VOTE NOW AND AVOID THE HASSLE NEXT TUESDAY!! But if you can't do it today, be sure to go on Tuesday!!
Huckaby did a campaign stop here this morning. I am impressed with him as a person from humble beginnings, been through some serious hardships with his wife having cancer at age 20, never giving up, rising from a family of poor folks to Governor of Arkansas, an "A" rating from the NRA, a family of shooters and concealed carry people, pro life, pro marriage, not pro taxes, and several other things I consider important.
PLEASE GET OUT AND VOTE FOR MIKE HUCKABY and let the national media know that they don't determine who you vote for!!

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