Colt All American 2000 - Remember it?


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DFW1911
February 20, 2008, 10:17 AM
So I went to the range with a friend recently and sure enough, he breaks out a Colt All American 9mm. I must admit the thing is in pristine condition and has a unique / comfortable grip...that's about the end of the good stuff.

Just as I remembered when he bought it new (years ago) , it had several ftf, several misfires, and generally proved unreliable with all sorts of ammunition. Fortunately he relies on a Colt 1991 .45 for HD now.

I've forgotten what the marketing ploy was for the All American; maybe something about its firing mechanism and ergonomics?

What are your thoughts and experiences with the All American?

Thanks,
DFW1911

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atblis
February 20, 2008, 10:17 AM
Gotta love that trigger!

The Lone Haranguer
February 20, 2008, 10:44 AM
If you like to collect oddities, this is the gun for you. ;)

Deanimator
February 20, 2008, 11:02 AM
A friend bought one when they first came out.

What a piece of garbage. It was one of the things which knocked Colt to its knees. The WORST trigger pull I've ever seen in a semi-auto pistol. It's amazing the way it just kept stacking until it went off.

GEM
February 20, 2008, 11:06 AM
I remember when Shooting Times had a giant fluff article on it with a tremendous set of expanded graphics. They described the gun as if God Almighty brought it out of the sky with a host of angels singing.

OH, well. :D

cuervo
February 20, 2008, 11:20 AM
It's two big claims were a rotating barrel for lock-up and a trigger that used bearings to (supposedly) make it smoother.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg170-e.htm

Silent Bob
February 20, 2008, 11:51 AM
Remember it? Trying to forget it!

NG VI
February 20, 2008, 11:58 AM
it looks like it sucks, and I have to admit, minus revolvers I am not a fan of colt. the company itself is mostly what I don't like, way to introduce ONE crap-tastic new pistol in like forty years, and what else, a .380 version of their only autopistol other than that? whatever colt...

ps- I'm not into 1911s yet, so maybe I'll soften on them, but I doubt it. I'd rather buy from a company like Para, whatever shortcomings they may have they do their best to introduce models the civilian shooting public wants, and a variety of them. plus I love those 'protect your rights' models they have.



flame on

The Lone Haranguer
February 20, 2008, 12:24 PM
I remember when Shooting Times had a giant fluff article on it with a tremendous set of expanded graphics. They described the gun as if God Almighty brought it out of the sky with a host of angels singing.

:D I remember that. I think this author also once wrote that he fired hundreds of thousands of magnum handgun cartridges per year. :scrutiny: Actually, some design elements were, if not new, at least unique to that gun at that time.

DFW1911
February 20, 2008, 01:45 PM
It's two big claims were a rotating barrel for lock-up and a trigger that used bearings to (supposedly) make it smoother.

That's the marketing scheme I was looking for. Rotating barrel? Fine. But bearings for the trigger pull? No way. Try gravel instead.

Another neat feature of my friend's gun is you get to pull that fantastic trigger repeatedly on a chambered round until it finally ignites.

Thanks,
DFW1911

buzz_knox
February 20, 2008, 02:09 PM
The original version was designed by Reed Knight and Eugene Stoner and was supposed to be quite a good item. Colt apparently "improved" it in the production version, resulting in the All American.

DougDubya
February 20, 2008, 03:20 PM
Colt took a great Reed Knight design, made it bigger and bulkier, and doubled its trigger weight.

I still say, the All American with its proper 6.5 pound trigger would have conquered the planet if Colt hadn't been STOOPID.

Knight really needs to put out a version based on the original. Slightly larger than a Glock 26 but with better ergos, it'd kick the market in the teeth.

RNB65
February 20, 2008, 03:30 PM
Ah, yes. The Wondernine that was going to save the Colt Firearms company from bankruptcy. It didn't. Piece of junk. Makes the S&W Sigma look like a classic in comparison.
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deanodog
February 20, 2008, 03:36 PM
All this good/bad comments . What would one unfired in box be worth. Be kind, I'm only asking.

QuarterBoreGunner
February 20, 2008, 06:01 PM
Aas has been stated, the original design was by Reed Knight - Colt was so convinced that this was the gun that was going to turn the company around that according to rumor, they basically traded with Reed - they got the rights to the pistol and he got an extremely large portion of their experimental and extremely weird M16 museum collection. There was a set of pictures from the collection after Reed took it over posted here somewhere.

Grunt
February 20, 2008, 06:16 PM
I think the phrase I heard once that best described the trigger was that it is similar to a squirt gun. Glad I never bought into that one!:barf:

bannockburn
February 20, 2008, 06:46 PM
Ah, the Colt AA 2000, the gun that was going to show Glock a thing or two about innovation, and was going to retake the police market back from them. What a pretensious notion; too bad the gun didn't even come close to performing as well as all the hype that surrounded its introduction. I remember one article where the author played up the simplicity of the design and how easy it was to field strip the gun for cleaning. Of course, that would mean that you actually fired the gun enough to get it dirty, something most shooters probably didn't do given the nearly 12 lbs. of trigger pressure needed to break the sear. And don't forget the 1/2 inch of trigger travel, both ways, to fire the gun, and then to reset the striker mechanism. It was a wonder that: 1) your trigger finger could get through even one magazine, given the kind of workout required with each shot, and 2) that you could keep even a couple of rounds on paper at 7 yards.
Just like the Double Eagle design, the AA 2000 fell far short of what was needed to carry Colt back into the marketplace; another dismal attempt at producing something that could have been much better, if left to the actual designers who knew what they were doing.

Janos Dracwlya
February 20, 2008, 07:56 PM
My brother had one and I got to try it out on a range trip back in 1995. The trigger pull was a bit heavy, but the ergonomics seemed very nice and the gun proved quite reliable, at least during that trip to the range. I don't know whether he still has it.

SouthpawShootr
February 20, 2008, 08:34 PM
Saw one at a local show in excellent condition Saturday for $250. A few people looked, nobody bought.

Texas Colt
February 20, 2008, 08:41 PM
Well, I must be blessed... I bought one last year for $250 and it's a great shooter - once you get used to the trigger. I think the trigger is very similar to shooting a DA revolver. Mine is completely reliable too!

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/redcolt/Guns/Colt%20Autos/Colt2000Target.jpg

DFW1911
February 21, 2008, 10:58 AM
Texas Colt you may have the best grouping in the history of the All American :)

Thanks for the post.

Take care,
DFW1911

Janos Dracwlya
February 21, 2008, 08:33 PM
Saw one at a local show in excellent condition Saturday for $250. A few people looked, nobody bought.

I would definitely pick one up for that price.

Moonclip
February 22, 2008, 09:36 AM
It is a Colt and that grip does seem comfortable. At $250 it should be bought, someone will want it eventually down the road as a curiosity. it seems a lot of guns they brought out at this time didn't make it like the Double Eagle,saw one of those with a high asking price recently in a local shop.

I hate heavy DAO pulls in an auto, I recently sold a Ruger like this because of a horrible DAO pull. Anyone I have heard that has messed with the AA2000 hated the trigger. Colt is like a monster that can't be slayed it seems, lesser companies would be long out of business by now, that little pony on the side of the gun sure keeps them alive. It seems when there is a choice to be made by Colt, they always make the wrong one, I know people like that too.

Fourbits
February 22, 2008, 10:21 AM
Remember it! I've got one NIB with wood grips. I'm hoping my great-great grandkids will get a fortune for it after all the rest are sold for $250.

Fourbits

LiquidTension
February 22, 2008, 02:31 PM
I remember it NOT being something I'd wear to a barbecue.

bigcozy
February 22, 2008, 05:54 PM
I bought one in a promotion that had two different length bbl/bushings. Gave $479 for it retail. Traded it for Sig 228, and the guy was really sure he got the best of me. I also had a Double Eagle Officer's size in .45, and a Delta Elite. Lot of people forget the Delta was a poor seller in the day.

Now that I think about it, I remember Guns and Ammo ran a cover of the 2000 all rigged up with a laser and a bunch of other stuff. It was for the now infamous SOCOM pistol, which of course HK won. I bought the magazine and as it turned out the Colt SOCOM on the cover was a wooden mock up. Colt did make a sorta-1911-SOCOM thing that looked silly. They also had to drop their .22 auto they made about this time. Everybody wants Colt to make it, seems like they should be working harder. They have been in bankrupcty/reorg since I was a kid and I am in my 40s.

skycop
May 11, 2009, 10:54 PM
I've had three AA2000's since '93 but two are new unfired in colt box but one I've carried all these years. It does work very well with heavier bullets like 180gr Hydra-Shocks and never had a reliability problem. Once I got used to the weird feeling trigger the piece is VERY accurate and the long trigger pull has saved me from sending an unnecessary next round downrange. Some departments in the northeast like NYPD have opted for heaver triggers for that precise reason. Anyway the 2000 would've been a success if Colt had gone on to apply 21st century engineering to it. Mine has been a lifesaver. My only regret is that I wanted the short barrel kit for it but didn't know it was available until a week after they'd stopped shipping. Still looking for one too. Lots of West Texas critters (4 legged) have gone down to my All American and it's been worth the extra effort to learn it's personality.

weisse52
May 12, 2009, 12:11 AM
One of my favorite lines I like to use is:

A Colt is always the right answer!!

I may have to reconsider how I use that in the future.

I love my Colts, auto or revolver. This however is one exception to the rule. I do remember this "pistol" quite well.

I "might" buy one as an oddity, maybe....well no.

If you have one and it works, You are a lucky, blessed person.

Dan Crocker
May 12, 2009, 12:45 AM
I've been trying to forget it.

legion3
May 12, 2009, 07:41 AM
One of my favorite local stores has TWO mint in the box. Whats the odds of anybody but a "collector" having more than two for sale or even seeing two together anywhere?

His prices are not however $250 OTD.

I remember not being impressed with it when it came out and frankly my view has not changed. I suppose for a car gun it would do but ehhh!

atblis
May 12, 2009, 08:22 AM
I'd buy one for $250 out the door just for laughs. Unfortunately the dealers around here seem to think they're collectible and want like $800. :what:
Of course that dealer has had the same pistol for like 3 years. Always look for it at the gun show so I can get a good laugh.

Hostile Amish
May 12, 2009, 08:36 AM
I've shot one of the things, and although the trigger is beastly, it's right comfortable in the hand. :)

Omaha-BeenGlockin
May 12, 2009, 10:45 AM
I read those gushing articles in the gun rags and was all fired up to get one---finally saw one in the store and played with it for a bit---handed it back to the clerk and never looked back.

buzz_knox
May 12, 2009, 01:40 PM
It does work very well with heavier bullets like 180gr Hydra-Shocks and never had a reliability problem.

I didn't think the .40 2000 ever made it off the design board, let alone to production. Since the 180 grain Hydrashok was only available as a .40 (147 grain is the heaviest 9mm Hydrashok made), was the reference to 180 just a typo?

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