Sportsman's Warehouse & Concealed Carry


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Treo
February 20, 2008, 03:08 PM
I walked into my local Sportsman's Warehouse to do a price check ( They actually beat WM on WWB .40). Promiently posted on the front door , in blaze orange, was a sign that said

ALL FIREARMS & MAGAZINES
MUST BE UNLOADED
AND CHECKED AT CUSTOMER
SERVICE.

On my way out I stopped by customer service & complained I told them that I object to your stores policy that I must unload my handgun & surrender it to one of your employees . The CSR backpedaled so fast I thought she was going to trip. she went into great detail to inform me that the store was pro CC & that sign only meant that IF you wanted to try a holster that you must clear your weapon and let an employee check it. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.

Has anyone else seen similar signs @ SW? Had similar experience

Also is there anyone who would NOT have taken that sign to mean what I thought it meant?

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PointOneSeven
February 20, 2008, 03:38 PM
No sign at mine, but the policy holds. Having loaded guns waving around while fiddling with holsters could be a safety issue, that's why they do it.


Seeing that sign without knowing their policy, I would have thought the same thing though.

BozemanMT
February 20, 2008, 03:54 PM
Just you
I've always taken those types of signs to mean for guns being handled. (going to the gunsmith, looking at holsters, whatever)

concealed means concealed.

Rokyudai
February 20, 2008, 03:54 PM
No sign that I have noticed at my SW meeting that description. They would have lost my business years ago had they tried to pull a blanket policy like that.

In Texas, a person with a CHL becomes 'in tuned' quickly to how businesses must display there intentions to prohibit concealed carry. The general consensus of other fellow CHL'ers that I can see is if the sign does not contain the wordage set forth by the specific Texas law (code 30.06 of Texas Handgun Laws) then it is invalid. What preempts carrying of course is if you were in a prohibited establishment in the first place (also stated within the laws) or if you were told to leave by the owner/representative of the store.

Pilot
February 20, 2008, 04:09 PM
I walked into my local Sportsman's Warehouse to do a price check

Which one Aurora or Littleton? I always carry in SW and even have seen people open carry there. I haven't been there in a while so this may be new.

Texas Colt
February 20, 2008, 04:13 PM
Cabela's has the same sign and policy, but only if you are selling, trading, etc.

The Cabela's sign specifically states that the policy does not pertain to CHL holders (at least in Texas).

As Bozeman said, concealed means concealed.

Treo
February 20, 2008, 04:19 PM
Colorado Springs.
The part that throws me is the "ALL FIREARMS" I bet I could find a D.A. that wouldn't have a real hard time proving to a jury of my peers that legally speaking " ALL FIREARMS" would include "ALL FIREARMS"

who wants to volunteer to be the test case?

armoredman
February 20, 2008, 04:32 PM
Marana SW sign says CCW is AOK, but unload and carry open any sidearms you wish to try in a holster, and said firearm must be cleared outside.

markk
February 20, 2008, 05:00 PM
The part that throws me is the "ALL FIREARMS" I bet I could find a D.A. that wouldn't have a real hard time proving to a jury of my peers that legally speaking " ALL FIREARMS" would include "ALL FIREARMS"



But why would a DA have to prove store policy to a jury of your peers?

Wibb
February 20, 2008, 05:04 PM
Cabela's and Bass Pro here in St. Louis both have similar signs. I saw it first at Cabela's and figured it was geared towards people bringing in trades.

Gary G23
February 20, 2008, 06:14 PM
I've been to SW in KY, TN, & MS and haven't seen that sign.

Dravur
February 20, 2008, 07:04 PM
SW has the sign for any gun coming in to be worked on, or for holsters, etc. It does not mean anything in regards to CC. I have several friends working at one of the stores down on So Wadsworth and they say they have to answer that question alot.

They have absolutely no problem with CC and neither does the company at large.

They usually have gun people behind the counter and they treat me good there.

FranklyTodd
February 20, 2008, 08:03 PM
A Gander Mountain in Ohio has a similar professionally printed sign, then below, they've put a hand generated sign that says something like: the above does not apply to concealed carry.

Don't overreact - it's a good policy if you are bringing a gun in to a gunsmith, or to try a holster, etc. I would not want CCers whipping out their loaded carry guns to try out a new holster. I'm pro-CCW, of course, but keep your unnecessary administrative handlings away from me!

A rational request for the store to make the sign more clear will hopefully get results. We don't even have SW around here, but I bet they are not anti-CC.

marriedguy1
February 20, 2008, 08:56 PM
The sign at the S.W. here in San Antonio specifically that CHL holders are OK. You must only unload if you are taking your handgun out of concealment. Does that make sense?

Mainsail
February 20, 2008, 09:10 PM
We open carry in SW here with the same signs. They don't want you fitting a holster to your loaded carry gun.

The Lone Haranguer
February 20, 2008, 09:16 PM
ALL FIREARMS & MAGAZINES
MUST BE UNLOADED
AND CHECKED AT CUSTOMER
SERVICE.

Well, they need to add some clarification to that.

The ones here (Phoenix, Goodyear and Mesa, AZ) don't say that. Instead they say (not an exact quote, but close enough), "Firearms brought in for sale, trade or repair must be unloaded and checked in with customer service. If you are going to remove your sidearm in the store, it must be checked in with customer service." The rule is perfectly reasonable - after all, it wouldn't do to fire a gun while trying a holster or something. ;)

When the Glendale Cabela's first opened in Oct. 2006, it had a similar sign to the first one, which deeply perturbed me. Someone must have leaned on them, because shortly after they added, "This does not apply to concealed carry permit holders." At the range/store (http://scottsdalegunclub.com) where I shoot, their sign says, "All firearms must be cased or holstered and may not be removed except at the direction of a SGC employee."

I have little patience for signs worded as in your example, when they pertain to my sidearm.

ClickClickD'oh
February 20, 2008, 09:25 PM
The one that used to be here in Lewisville had that sign... as the top half. The bottom half said that CHL holders weren't included as long as you kept it concealed.

BMRisko
February 20, 2008, 09:49 PM
The sign at SW in Chattanooga states that this does not apply to people carrying concealed. It was nice to see that posted for a change.

jdorian
February 20, 2008, 09:51 PM
Gander Mtn has a similar sign, but it also says that it does not apply to CWP/CHL holders. I think they are just trying to cover their bases for people trying to sell their items or bring them in for repair, just so that they know that the items leaving the store were actually brought in by a customer, rather than stolen from their inventory. Its a good policy, and nobody should have issue with having to declare items being brought into the store for a "business transaction".

jdorian
February 20, 2008, 09:52 PM
Gander Mtn has a similar sign, but it also says that it does not apply to CWP/CHL holders. I think they are just trying to cover their bases for people trying to sell their items or bring them in for repair, just so that they know that the items leaving the store were actually brought in by a customer, rather than stolen from their inventory. Its a good policy, and nobody should have issue with having to declare items being brought into the store for a "business transaction".

jdorian
February 20, 2008, 09:58 PM
Gander Mtn has a similar sign, except it exempts CHP, and CHL, or CCW holders from having to declare guns. Of course, concealed means concealed, so its not like anybody is going to show their gun at any point in time.

jdorian
February 20, 2008, 09:59 PM
Gander Mtn has a similar sign, except it exempts CHP, and CHL, or CCW holders from having to declare guns. Of course, concealed means concealed, so its not like anybody is going to show their gun at any point in time.

strat81
February 20, 2008, 10:07 PM
SW would be served well by articulating their policy with a new sign. I agree with the OP: sounds like ALL guns, legally concealed or not, must be unloaded and checked.

I've turned around and walked away from signs like that. In NE, they carry the weight of law.

RIDE
February 20, 2008, 10:13 PM
As others have said... I have always considered the sign to be regarding guns being brought in for service or accessories (scope mounting, Holsters, bags, gun smithing, etc).

In fact here in KS, a store, church, whatever could paint the entire front of the building in 10 foot high letters that spell "NO CCH ALLOWED.. WE HATE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES... DO NOT ENTER WITH FIREARMS.. PUNISHABLE BY LAW!!!!!"... and if the small state issued "gun-buster" image is not posted... well... feel free to carry concealed (if licensed of course).

dmazur
February 21, 2008, 07:13 AM
Sportsman's Warehouse in Washington has the sign that says checking doesn't apply to CCW holders as long as they are kept concealed.

I read about a ND at some gun store (not SW) which was due to someone bringing in a rifle for sale (or pawn) which was loaded! Poor safety practices at the store, to be sure, and also not too bright on the person who didn't check it before bringing it in. This type of thing is why the stores post these signs. I don't think they intend to hassle the customer, they are just properly concerned about additional holes in the store that weren't part of the HVAC design. :)

JCook5003
February 21, 2008, 07:58 AM
The sign at our Sportsmans Warehouse in Roanoke VA says rifles should be unloaded and you should unload and clear the chamber of your CCW only if you plan to remove it from the holster.......seems fair to me.

Desk Jockey
February 21, 2008, 08:29 AM
I saw that sign last weekend at the SW in the Springs. I assumed that CCW was exempt, so I ignored it and went in. I made that assumption because I once saw a similar sign at the SW in Aurora with a note specfically exempting CCW.

Treo
February 21, 2008, 11:00 AM
Desk jockey, maybe next time you go you could make a complaint. If enough people do maybe they'll change the sign.

In Colorado if the owner of a business asks you not to carry in their business and you do anyway, you can be charged W/ criminal tresspass ( bye-bye CHP)

In order to post "No CCW Allowed" EVERYONE entering the building must be required to go through a metal detector.

So that sign really doesn't have the weight of law, but should CSPD get a "Man W/ Gun" call to that store they WILL use a sign like that against you .

Yes I am WELL aware that it doesn't make sense , it's a CSPD thang , you wouldn't understand.

DON'T TAZE ME BRO!

Desk Jockey
February 22, 2008, 01:34 AM
Next time I'm there, I'll let them know.

coyotehitman
February 22, 2008, 01:26 PM
Treo did not think my post was relevant.

Because it bothered treo, I removed it.

Sorry treo.

Treo
February 22, 2008, 04:25 PM
Tap tap Tap

Treo
February 22, 2008, 04:29 PM
I went to the PRO Gun ........by Randy Weaver (Ruby Ridge).

This is relevant to this disscussion.... how?

Ok CH bein's you're a cop what would be your take on the above mentioned signage

WaltherWombat
February 22, 2008, 10:26 PM
The sign at our local Sportsman's Warehouse is considerably clearer:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z166/wombatzoner/Photo_022208_001.jpg

Maybe they are in the process of updating them?

modifiedbrowning
February 22, 2008, 11:08 PM
Sportsman's Warehouse in Washington has the sign that says checking doesn't apply to CCW holders as long as they are kept concealed.
Same here in Bozeman, MT.

kd7nqb
February 23, 2008, 03:10 AM
Both of the ones in Oregon I goto have a similar sign but it says CCWs are not what they are worried about.

coyotehitman
February 23, 2008, 03:51 AM
This is relevant to this disscussion.... how?

Rude...and I'll leave it at that.

bein's

Kind of like, "bein's" I am isolated behind a keyboard, I can behave rudely to another member and get away with it.

denfoote
February 23, 2008, 04:06 AM
Why The Hell Do You Think It's Called A Concealed Weapon For God's Sake?????

Old Dog
February 23, 2008, 05:19 AM
Some of you guys actually read the signs on the doors of retail establishments?

I'm so glad I live in this state ...

NWdude83
February 23, 2008, 03:40 PM
I was a little stinker on Wednesday, I went into Sportsman's Wharehouse after reading this thread and I was carrying concealed. :evil:

cedjunior
February 23, 2008, 05:46 PM
Maybe these signs are like those pictures with the 3D imagine hidden in them, some people see it, and some people need to have it explained to them.

Given all the circumstances I'd take those signs for just what they are, a friendly reminder not to bring in a weapon to be serviced if its loaded and waiting for a ND.

tackleberi
February 23, 2008, 07:58 PM
Cabela's in Connecticut has the same sign, although in much larger letters below it, it makes it clear that the policy DOES NOT apply to legal CCW'ers. I can't recall the exact language, although it is not at all uncertain.

They may be expensive, but between that and the Bargain Cave pricing, I'll support them as long as they support us.

Mainsail
February 23, 2008, 11:16 PM
I was a little stinker on Wednesday, I went into Sportsman's Wharehouse after reading this thread and I was carrying concealed.:evil:

I went today and carried openly. :cool:

TimboKhan
February 24, 2008, 02:58 AM
Has anyone else seen similar signs @ SW? Had similar experience

Also is there anyone who would NOT have taken that sign to mean what I thought it meant?

Exact same sign in Loveland, CO. I assumed that it did not mean CCW, but I wasn't positive so I asked. There wasn't any backpedalling, she just told me that it did not apply to CCW.

I don't have a problem with the sign for a couple of reasons. First, many sporting goods stores have this policy. Gander Mountain, Bass Pro Shop and Cabelas. People bring in guns that are not "CCW guns" all the time. It may be legal to carry, and it may be legal to open carry, but I know of no place where it is legal to walk around with a loaded rifle or shotgun as a carry weapon. Thus, it makes complete sense to me that if you walk in the store with a rifle or shotgun that you check it in at the front desk and that they confirm it is clear. Secondly, if tagged by CS, you have have the stores assurance that they know your not trying to steal a rifle when you walk out. Third, that store is private property. You guys can rail about "concealed means concealed" all you want, but it is there right to control what comes into that building.

Treo
February 24, 2008, 09:47 AM
Do you remember those tests they make you take in school? The test where you have to read a paragraph then tell them what it
means? I scored pretty high on those, and when I see a sign that says "ALL firearms must be unloaded, " I don't see any words in the sentance that modify "ALL". They only way I can interpret that sentance is that EVERY firearm that comes through the door must be unloaded.
For being a state W/ some pretty liberal gun laws there are a lot of people in Colorado ( at least the Springs) who FREAK OUT when they see a gun. There are also a couple of gun guru / gun god types that work behind the counter at that PARTICULAR SW, the type who think nobody but them is qualified to own a firearm. ( kinda like some of the cops that post here).

Given those circumstances should I choose to ignore what the sign actually says ( as in interpreting it to mean what I want it to say) and proceed about my business while carrying ( all the while fuming about how the property owner, whose right not to allow anyone to carry in his store I'm ignoring, is violating MY right to self defense) I am ASKING for trouble in the unlikely event that someone notices that I am carrying & chooses to call the cops.

Add to the mix , the fact that I seem to be one of that rare breed ( at least around here) who respects the property rights of others. if THE WORDS ON THE SIGN tell me that I can't carry a loaded firearm in your store I'm going to respect that, you'll lose my business but I will respect your wishes.

Why should I not want the sign to be a little clearer?

shooter429
February 24, 2008, 09:53 AM
So, no worries.

Shooter429

Treo
February 24, 2008, 01:02 PM
QUOTE: "Deport ALL illegal aliens! "
Of course that doesn't apply to CONCEALED illegal aliens right?

bakert
February 24, 2008, 05:02 PM
I for one have no intentions of handing my personal carry weapon over to some young kid behind a counter or any other stranger for that matter. If by some remote possibility it was noticed I was armed I would just leave with no arguments. Not worth the hassle to me!!:p

Sir Aardvark
February 25, 2008, 01:18 AM
Turner's Outdoorsman, a Southern California gunstore chain, has a sign that says "All guns are to be unloaded and checked by employee", but, right underneath that in little letters it says "CCW excluded".

One thing good that I can say about California is that if you have a CCW you can practically carry it anywhere - there are none of those signs saying that it is against the law to carry in such'n'such establishment.

Deputy25
February 27, 2008, 12:20 AM
No signs in the Pittsburgh, PA Sportsman's Warehouse. I'm generally armed like a Mexican bandit. No need to unholster unless some miscreant is trying to kill me.

strickjc
March 18, 2008, 06:18 AM
Here in TN those signs are not legal so I do not mind them.However I was asked one time to check mine at the front by the guy behind the knife counter.

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