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Loaded
August 4, 2003, 02:52 PM
With your knowledge that is!

It's nice to get straight forward advice like I have from you gents in my other thread concerning the CZ, Sig and FN.

Now don't be mad at me guys, ok? I went down to my local dealer and looked at his selection (large) of CZ's and others. I hate to break it to ya fellas but, (Gawd, I NEVER thought I'd do or say this), ...... I, uh.... hmmm how do I say this... I um, .... I'm going to get a.... G....Gllll....Glo...... Glock 36. :what:

The guy went through everything about the CZ and then offered to show me the Glocks. Wow! Very nice and easily concealed. If I'm to believe him, the reliability and abuse this pistol will take is incredible. Plus, it is in .45 caliber, with six and one in the pipe.

I have NEVER, EVER considered a Glock up until 40 minutes ago. I always considered them to be a cheap knock off of some Hollywood shoot 'em up, blast-o-matic make believe movie.

I hope I won't be dissapointed. :scrutiny:

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cslinger
August 4, 2003, 02:55 PM
Well if you have to get a Glock :scrutiny: at least you picked one of the two stars of their lineup. The G30 and G36. :D

Actually Glocks are awesome guns and will take some serious abuse but that doesn't mean you can't clean them ever. Just watch your trigger finger and one other thing watch your trigger finger.

Chris

Loaded
August 4, 2003, 03:04 PM
Thanks Chris. With all the advise you gave me in the earlier thread I really feel bad that I have chosen to go with a different gun. I hope you aren't upset and feel as if you wasted your time. Trust me, it was a wealth of information, along with everyone else's info that was given. Thanks to you all.

I just hope I'm satisfied with it when I pick it up next payday.

Croyance
August 4, 2003, 03:08 PM
Heathen.:cuss:



:neener:
Seriously, if it works well for you, how can anybody else argue?

SADshooter
August 4, 2003, 03:09 PM
It increases the profile of the frame significantly, but the Pearce magazine baseplate extension adds one round and is a bit easier on larger hands. The only malfunction I had was an out of spec gunshow reload locking up the action.

cslinger
August 4, 2003, 03:38 PM
Yea, I am really angry because you didn't buy the correct gun. I wasn't aware that my word was law or that mine was the only opinion that mattered, but if this is true this could change things for all us. :D

You wanted info, I gave you info. Hope it helped. Enjoy your Glock. God bless .45s. I am not put out in anyway . You have made my long and drawn out Monday morning go by faster. The Glock 30/36 is probably one of the best all around handguns to own if you want a CCW piece that is a fun shooter and good all round gun as well. Magazines are cheap it shoot a big bullet and is easy to clean what more could you want......besidesarealtriggerandmaybesomebetteresthetics.....but who am I to say so.:rolleyes:

Hope you enjoy the new gun. Remember when cleaning it you must pull the trigger to allow the slide to come off the frame. So that means check the chamber, not once, not twice, but thrice. The TV you save could be your own.:D

Chris

cslinger
August 4, 2003, 03:42 PM
even though it can be dragged through the mud, run over by a Hummer, dropped from a helicopter, sloshed though the surf and fired underwater(don't try this at home) it will never be the prettiest girl at the ball. :D

Girls at the ball below.
http://www.hunt101.com/img/052998.jpg

This is where somebody posts some gorgeous multi thousand dollar 1911 or other custom gun that makes my SIGs look like a Davis.:D

Loaded
August 4, 2003, 03:54 PM
Chris, you're going to think I'm a nutcase, but between reading things in here I decided to search some websites. I looked at Springfield and saw that they make a polymer handgun ( XD ). Should I avoid that brand? Reliable? Durable? They make a 3.5", 4", and 5" model. three different calibers - 9mm, 40, and 357. No 45's! :mad: I'd prolly go with the 3.5" in 9mm if I did buy theirs.


I haven't given up on the Glock, it's just that I don't want buyers remorse after purchasing either or, if you know what I mean. HELP!!!!

I really don't want 9mm, but I don't know enough about it. Same with the 40 and 357 calibers. Geez, this is becoming too difficult. Not for me, but for you! Mind piping in with some more wisdom?

P.S. --- I'm a good student / listener!

RTFM
August 4, 2003, 04:03 PM
Loaded welcome to the Dark side HAHAHA, seriously, your in the same predicament that my wife and I are in.
Glock or SIG PRO 9mm or .40 for us.
We are leaning toward the Glock 23 .40S&W, it fits her better.
What it's boiling down to is what ever you purchase, make it quality equipment that has a great reputation, and feels good in your hands.
Then practice, practice practice.
Trust your instincts.
my .02C FWIW

RTFM

cslinger
August 4, 2003, 04:11 PM
You have a PM. SIG makes plastic guns too?:D I mean they aren't like real SIGs but you know.

Just kidding SIGPRO people. In reality the SIGPRO triggers I have used are all better than the classic triggers. After shooting a PRO I am a believer.

Chris

rappa
August 4, 2003, 04:15 PM
I'm going to get a.... G....Gllll....Glo...... Glock 36.

Hey man, congrats! If it feels best for you, more power to ya'! I bought a G36 last week and am very pleased with it (700rds so far so good). It's accurate and comfortable in hand and on hip.

Top_Notch
August 4, 2003, 04:20 PM
Welcome to the dark side.:evil:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=413918

10-Ring
August 4, 2003, 04:24 PM
Hey, a new gun is a new gun! Congrats ;) The one thing I've seen w/ the rental guns at the range, the Glocks will stand up to alotmore abuse than most other guns.

denfoote
August 4, 2003, 04:51 PM
Resistance is (was) futile!!!! :evil:

Welcome to the Dark Side!!!

Your Drone designation shall be: "This ain't gunna be my only one"!!! :cool:

Tamara
August 4, 2003, 09:42 PM
This is where somebody posts some gorgeous multi thousand dollar 1911 or other custom gun that makes my SIGs look like a Davis.:D

Your wish is my command. ;)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=414540

The top three are the pretty prom queens, the bottom three are the ugly working guns. :cool:

cslinger
August 4, 2003, 10:23 PM
The TRP is the nicest of the bunch.

I still like my SIGs:uhoh: I still like my SIGs:uhoh: .

Beautiful guns as usual Tam.

Tamara
August 4, 2003, 10:27 PM
That's not a TRP!




(Us Professional owners are sensitive about that. ;) )

Quartus
August 4, 2003, 10:30 PM
Try before you buy, and remember that Springfield's customer service is...


...non-existent.


Why does Tam get all the prettiest guns, anyway? :D

Loaded
August 4, 2003, 10:46 PM
Quartus - Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with Springfield. If I go with the XD hopefully I won't need any customer service.

I'm still up in the air about which to buy. I'd like to hear from some of you guy who have experience with the G36 and the XD in 9mm. Hint - cslinger, feel free to also jump in with your thoughts too!

This is it fellas. It's either going to be the Glock 36 or the 4" XD 9mm in black. I don't care for the bi-tone.

Fire away gents!

WonderNine
August 4, 2003, 10:57 PM
I, uh.... hmmm how do I say this... I um, .... I'm going to get a.... G....Gllll....Glo...... Glock 36. :what:

:(

Loaded
August 4, 2003, 11:08 PM
Wondernine - LOL. True, but that was before I discovered Springfield's XD's. I don't want to experience buyers remorse. Once I eliminate one of the last two that are in the running I will have my winner. Personally I would like to stay with the .45 round. But, if the XD can prove to be the better of the two I will learn to live with the 9mm.

HBK
August 4, 2003, 11:12 PM
9mm is underrated, IMHO. It's a good round. But a Glock 29, in 10mm, that is a good round.

Loaded
August 4, 2003, 11:40 PM
Okay boys. Here's the technical information of the two.

Glock 36:
Caliber -.45 Auto
Action - Safe Action System
Length (slide) - 6.77 in.
Height 2) - 4.76 in.
Width - 1.13 in.
Length between sights - 6.18 in.
Barrel length - 3.78 in.
Barrel rifling - right, octogonal
Length of twist - 15.75 in.
Magazine capacity - 6
Mass (weight) - Empty without magazine - 20.11 oz.
Empty magazine - 2.40 oz.
Full magazine 5) ~6.88 oz.
Trigger pull (standard) ~5.5 lbs.
Trigger travel for discharge - 0.5 in.
Number of safeties - 3
MSRP - $510

Springfield XD Micro compact:
Caliber: 9x19mm
Capacity: 10+1
Barrel: 3.01"
Sights: Heinie Tritium Slant ProTM
Size: 23.68 ozs., 6.26" overall length
Trigger Pull: 5.5 to 7.7 lbs. Ultra Safety Assurance
Magazines: 2 Stainless Steel 10 rd., easy glide magazines
MSRP: $549


I'm still undecided! :cuss:

cslinger
August 5, 2003, 12:40 AM
Go with the Glock. It is a proven design in a major caliber with huge aftermarket support and a great finish. You pay a little more up front but I really think the Glock is the better choice of the two.

There I said it. I recommended a Glock. Is everybody happy. It has come to this. :D

Tam,

2nd one down left side. What is it. Isn't that the Springer FBI gun? I thought that was a TRP or more aptly the real TRP.

Chris

Preacherman
August 5, 2003, 12:47 AM
Go with the Glock. It's my standard carry pistol, mostly in .40 S&W, but with an occasional 357 SIG thrown in for variety. I train mostly with the 9mm. Glocks. I used to have .45 ACP Glocks, and the 36 is easily the most "carry-friendly" of them, due to its thinner slide and MUCH thinner grip (single-stack mag). I've recently switched to the SIG P220 for .45 ACP, just because of personal preference in that caliber: but that doesn't mean I've stopped carrying my Glocks!

As a final point - Glock didn't get over 60% of the U.S. law enforcement handgun market by selling a bad product... Food for thought!

Tamara
August 5, 2003, 12:47 AM
2nd one down left side. What is it. Isn't that the Springer FBI gun? I thought that was a TRP or more aptly the real TRP.

Second one down on the left is a plain ol' Springfield Stainless Loaded that's had just a little bit of custom work done to it. (New fitted bushing, new ejector, new extractor, flat checkered MSH with removable magwell blended into frame, Kimber grips, recontoured frame, fine bead-blasted finish, et cetera) The Pro is the ugly, beat-up every day carry gun on the bottom left. :cool:

Loaded
August 5, 2003, 01:17 AM
Thanks guys. My mind is made up. You're all probably really glad this thread has come to an end huh? I mean, what with my wishy washy non decision making. Sheesh! :cuss:

I went from wanting a CZ, an FNH, or a Sig. Then a CZ or a Glock. Then the Glock 36 over the CZ75. Then, the Glock 36 versus an XD Micro Compact. And finally....... my mind is made up with the help of you fine gentlemen. And the winner is, (insert drum roll) .................................................

The G36! :)

WonderNine
August 5, 2003, 05:08 AM
Wondernine - LOL. True, but that was before I discovered Springfield's XD's.

A Glock with a grip safety....:)

Have you tried a Browning Hi-Power or a 1911?

Or a Kahr MK9 / PM9? :evil:

Majic
August 5, 2003, 05:46 AM
If you are going to draw and shoot, you might as well look good too:

Loaded
August 5, 2003, 08:06 AM
Majic - I agree. That's why I've been totin' this around with me for some time now. This is the piece I went ape ***** on - hogues, smooth Cocobolos, Fobus plastic holster, etc. Then I wised up and put her back the way she was born. :cool:

PCRCCW
August 5, 2003, 08:12 AM
We will say a prayer for you. That you find your sanity soon, change your sinning ways and come back from the dark side :scrutiny: :evil: He has a way of slowly convincing you stealing 1 pencil is ok, then 2, then its a car and soon your robbing banks. NOW YOU BOUGHT A GLOCK :what:

The CZ Gods will never never forgive you...and they beat up the Glock gods on a daily basis...............My gun can beat up your gun! NAH!!! :neener:

Shoot well

cslinger
August 5, 2003, 09:09 AM
Thanks Tamara. Well that non TRP Springer is gorgeous. My 1911 grail is an Ed Brown but that Springfield is just really classy looking.

PCRCCW Said.....
"We will say a prayer for you. That you find your sanity soon, change your sinning ways and come back from the dark side He has a way of slowly convincing you stealing 1 pencil is ok, then 2, then its a car and soon your robbing banks. NOW YOU BOUGHT A GLOCK

The CZ Gods will never never forgive you...and they beat up the Glock gods on a daily basis...............My gun can beat up your gun! NAH!!! "


What did I tell you Loaded there will always be some idiot to tell you that you shoulda bought...........the nerve.:scrutiny:

Just kidding PCRCCW. I had PM'd Loaded and let him know that no matter what he chose somebody would say that you should have bought X. Ford Chevy you know. So I couldn't resist joshing you a bit.

Chris

cslinger
August 5, 2003, 09:12 AM
You should'a bought a SIG:neener: :evil:

Loaded
August 5, 2003, 08:04 PM
One of the neatest things about buying a gun is, you don't have to have any justification for doing it. You just buy it cause you want it. :neener: Which means, my next gun after my G36 might be a Sig, an FN, a CZ, or whatever.
A guy at work told me today that you could put a Glock in the dishwasher and it wouldn't harm it. :what:

And once again, thank you all for the good advice you gave me and for your patience while I bored you to death with my indecisiveness.

cslinger
August 5, 2003, 08:45 PM
Yeah but warn me if you ever invite me over for dinner so I can bring my own dishes or we can just use paper plates.

I sincerely hope nobody actually puts a gun in same dishwasher they put the plates they eat off of. Bleh.

Martini13
August 6, 2003, 01:36 PM
Loaded, I think you should at least look at a Walther P99 in 40S7W:evil: :neener: :neener:

PCRCCW
August 6, 2003, 11:45 PM
cslinger....I know! Im bad! Got carried away....yet again. The good news is it wont be the last time :D

As part of my punishment, you should force me to shoot your Sigs for a long long time. :neener:

Shoot well

dsk
August 7, 2003, 02:27 AM
I sincerely hope nobody actually puts a gun in same dishwasher they put the plates they eat off of. Bleh.

Huh?

http://www.nwlink.com/~dkamm/wetcolt.jpg

DISCLAIMER: Professional gun nut in closed kitchen. Do not attempt with your own dishwasher. In other words, do not clean guns where you keep food utensils.

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