VPC Has My Pic on Anti-Gun Website


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Travis McGee
August 4, 2003, 07:21 PM
Somebody found an old picture of me (circa 1982) on the Violence Policy Center's anti-gun website. It's on a page about "bullet hoses" which is what they call "semi automatic assault weapons."

http://www.vpc.org/studies/hosesix.htm



VPC's pic, ripped off from the UDT/SEAL museum in Fort Pierce FL:

http://www.vpc.org/graphics/hosep13-1.jpg

My picture of me, by the same Navy photographer Peter Sundberg:

http://www.matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/authorpic2.jpg

It's an incredible coincidence, considering that I've written a second amendment novel which will be their worst nightmare, "Enemies Foreign And Domestic."

(The book is finally being printed this week, and it'll be shipped from the factory to my next week. I'll be out of town until the 13th, and not posting.

Matt/Travis

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Mark Tyson
August 4, 2003, 07:43 PM
Never miss a chance to plug your book, do you?

LOL! It's all good. Hope you do well.

MicroBalrog
August 4, 2003, 07:44 PM
Found this on their site.

http://www.vpc.org/graphics/hosep12-1.jpg

Micro Wants! Micro Wants! :evil:

Norm357
August 4, 2003, 07:47 PM
Matt, why don't you file a lawsuit demanding compensation for the use of your picture? I think that would be funny as hell!:neener:


Norm

Travis McGee
August 4, 2003, 07:51 PM
Mark: I may send them a thank you note and a copy of the book for them to review. I don't think they'll like it though.

Hkmp5sd
August 4, 2003, 07:53 PM
They used to have one of the old TFLers on their site with his "Voting from the rooftops" t-shirt.

Travis McGee
August 4, 2003, 07:53 PM
Norm: I have a lawyer looking into it. Probably public domain though.

.45Ruger
August 4, 2003, 08:07 PM
I would like to second the mothion of sending them a copy of your book. Make it an autographed copy, and maybe attach a personal note letting them know that people like them are what inspired this book.

MicroBalrog
August 4, 2003, 08:09 PM
.45 Ruger: Wow... sounds neat...:evil:

Norm357
August 4, 2003, 08:13 PM
Matt I am not a lawyer but this I know, they cannot use your likness without permission, period, end of story. Sue em for millions and millions of dollars and then go buy lots more guns!:D You may be able to get the Navy involved too if they took the pic from the UDT/Seal museam.


Norm

Quartus
August 4, 2003, 08:28 PM
I have a lawyer looking into it. Probably public domain though.

I'm glad you aren't just letting it slide, though I agree it's probably not going to do any good. Probably a "Fair Use" kind of thing. Not likely public domain, though. If the Navy took the photo, it belongs to the Navy. Not you! :(


But it won't hurt to try. Anything we can do to cost them money is good.

Dr.Rob
August 4, 2003, 08:45 PM
Sorry if the Navy took it it belongs to EVERY citizen of the United States and can be 'bought" for a dollar throughthe National Archives.

I really doubt they did this. Send them a cease and decist order.

natedog
August 4, 2003, 09:09 PM
Wow you look pretty baddass :cool:. I never knew that the MAC 10 (MAC-11?) was used at all, even by Special Forces. I thought that even in '76 the MP-5 was used.

Standing Wolf
August 4, 2003, 09:24 PM
I'd send the parasites a cease and desist order. I certainly wouldn't want my face associated with any organization that promotes violence.

Skunkabilly
August 4, 2003, 09:28 PM
I'm jealous :(

If you and PSS Sniper get to be in it, why can't the Tactical Poser? :(

Sven
August 4, 2003, 09:29 PM
Standing Wolf is on point, but what's new?

atek3
August 5, 2003, 12:54 AM
dude, i'd thank them. You look pretty tight in those pictures :)

atek3

Travis McGee
August 5, 2003, 01:53 AM
.45Ruger:
Heheheh.... I like it.
"Thank You VPC, you inspired me to write this book. You are in my thoughts every time I squeeze the trigger.
"Love and Kisses,
"Travis McGee"

Travis McGee
August 5, 2003, 01:55 AM
Quartus: That 's the tack I'm going to take.

Travis McGee
August 5, 2003, 02:01 AM
Natedog: 9mm MAC-10s were standard issue in SEAL Teams from the 70s to about 86 when MP-5s came in. They were rugged and functional and compact, but inaccurate and not exactly safe (open bolt). With the suppressors they were a lot better, I hated shooting them without the Sionics suppressor, that 1,200rpm cyclic rate muzzle was VERY close to vital body parts! We used to say they were perfect for a shootout in a telephone booth.

---I'll be out of town and off line until the 13th, the books should be shipped to me about the 14th or 15th.

Matt/Travis

Psssniper
August 5, 2003, 10:42 AM
Travis
Looks like you and I are in a small fraternity. VPC poster boys!
10 more members and we can make a calendar. Good luck on the copyright issue. I talked to three liars/lawyers and not a one thought there was a chance for compensation. Keep trying Skunk, someday you might join the fraternity.

bogie
August 5, 2003, 11:27 AM
What is the text with the picture? If it is saying something about "civilian" "bullet hoses," why not put together a press release telling folks about the lazy PR folks at VPC?

geojap
August 5, 2003, 12:00 PM
I just sent that Jackalope an email about his "studies" and views. We'll see if he responds.

ModIMark0
August 5, 2003, 12:03 PM
Perhaps there is a copyright problem. The caption and page that the first photo is on appear to be taken from Kevin Dockery's book: Special Warfare, Special Weapons: The Arms and Equipment of the UDT and SEALs from 1943 to the Present (The Emperor's Press. Chicago. No year of printing, but I believe it is 1998). This is volume 1 of a 2 part series (although I do not know if volume 2 has been published).
Mr. Dockery has worked with and written about the UDTs, SEALs, and their equipment for quite some time, and I have most recently seen articles of his published in several editions of 'Small Arms Review'. Perhaps someone should contact him and ask him if the VPC sought his permission to reproduce that portion of a page of his book (specifically page number 71). I know that he is a busy person, but he sometimes has posted at subguns.coms message boards.
And by looking at the other photos on that same page, Chuck Taylor and a few other publishers/authors may want to be informed as well of the use of what are likely privately owned images without permission.
My, wouldn't it be unfortunate if the VPC had to pull off all of this enlightening material from their site because they did not ask the rightful owners if they could use it? It helps to know the law and follow it, but perhaps property rights are not something they are too interested in.

Skunkabilly
August 5, 2003, 12:38 PM
Travis, was shooting kinda looking over the top of the gun the technique of the day? (ignorant here only started recently....)

bogie
August 5, 2003, 12:52 PM
You know, I just had an idea...

We all oughta send 'em our pictures...

Langenator
August 5, 2003, 04:54 PM
Addendum to Bogie's idea above:

We should all send them every picture we have of ourselves with our guns, scanned at the highest resolution our scanners will allow. Along with "Amendment II: A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." in the largest, most memory hogging font possible on every message.

:evil:

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