Compact .40s - all metal


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gbelleh
February 25, 2008, 10:52 PM
I'm looking for an all metal .40 pistol.

What meets the following criteria? I don't want to leave anything out.

.40 caliber
Compact (small enough to reasonably carry)
All metal (no polymer this time)
No internal lock


So far, I know of:
Sig 229, 239
Kahr K40
CZ 75 compact .40
Various .40 1911s
S&W 4006/4046
Hi Power .40
Beretta 96
Beretta/Stoeger Cougar

Anything I'm missing? I'm leaning toward a Sig 239.
Thanks.

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The Lone Haranguer
February 25, 2008, 11:05 PM
Smith & Wesson still has the 4013TSW in current production. (The 4006TSW, while not overly large, is not really a compact.) It does not appear to have the dreaded LOCK!!!!11;), but it is a little spendy. If you don't mind a used gun, get a plain, non-TSW 4013 or its variants (different numbers indicate different metals and finishes, as well as DA/SA or DAO action) and take the difference to the bank (or more ammo).

Seven For Sure
February 25, 2008, 11:06 PM
Kahr also makes the MK40 which is a 3" barrel and the T40 which has a 4" barrel. They have 5 and 7 rd. mags respectively. There is a company that makes steel frames for large frame glock models also but I think they're over $300 and it's like buying a gun, you have to go through an FFL. I shot an all steel .40 once (EEA Witness) and it was a pleasure compared to my Glocks. They have saftey's though.

Forgot to mention the S&W 646 revolver. No lock either. I have a couple and they are sweet.

HisSoldier
February 25, 2008, 11:16 PM
Starfire, very compact, heavy but reliable.http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc225/partsproduction/starfire3.jpg

armoredman
February 25, 2008, 11:16 PM
EAA Witness 40 Compact.
I like the CZ Compact 40, nice pistola.

yhtomit
February 25, 2008, 11:39 PM
What armoredman said -- if I were to seek a small, all-metal .40, I think a Cz RAMI would be my first one to look at. They feel good in the hand (at least *my* hand), and have much in common with the Cz-75.

timothy

possum
February 26, 2008, 12:28 AM
go kahr the k-40 is an awesome handgun that matches your wants, you would be really happy with it. it is reliable, accurate, concealable and an all around great handgun.

Rayden
February 26, 2008, 12:37 AM
What armoredman said -- if I were to seek a small, all-metal .40, I think a Cz RAMI would be my first one to look at. They feel good in the hand (at least *my* hand), and have much in common with the Cz-75.

timothy

Over at the CZ forum, they are saying that it is a hit and miss with the Rami chambered in .40. Some has serious issues while others are fine.

LAK Supply
February 26, 2008, 12:43 AM
I love my SIG 229... accurate, reliable, and holds 15 with the MecGar mags.

Pat-inCO
February 26, 2008, 12:50 AM
go kahr the k-40 is an awesome handgun that matches your wants
+1 Only "problem" is that with a good holster, you tend to forget you have it on. :D

The 4006 is larger but is also quite nice.

armoredman
February 26, 2008, 06:57 AM
The older RAMI 40s were unreliable, and because of that, not many people want to give them a try now. I believe CZ has fixed the problem.
Still, with that cartridge, I would want something heavier. The Compact 40 would be the best choice for me.

Treo
February 26, 2008, 11:04 AM
I have an older 2075 . We had some FTFs W/it but it seems to be a magazine problem more than anything. I can shoot it W/ fair to good accuracy but it tends to kick DWs butt. likely she will stick W/ the CZ-82 & the RAMI will become my BUG.


BTW amoredman I still can't get on CZforums

J Lambs
February 26, 2008, 11:10 AM
EMP is supposedly out with the .40. I love my 9mm.

gbelleh
February 26, 2008, 11:22 AM
The EMP .40 is interesting. Does the EMP also have the ILS system in the main spring housing? If so, is it possible to swap it out with a standard part like on a full size Springfield 1911?

JDGray
February 26, 2008, 11:43 AM
Sig 239 is lighter, but the CZ just melts into your hand:)

treo, you shoot with Darrel Waltrip? Very cool:D

Jackal
February 26, 2008, 11:50 AM
Kahr MK40. I have the PM40 and it is just awesome. Light, accurate, reliable and easily caried. Whats not to like?

Lonestar49
February 26, 2008, 12:43 PM
...

No doubts..


Ls

kenjs1
February 26, 2008, 12:50 PM
consider a CZ 40 P ?

armoredman
February 26, 2008, 01:04 PM
treo, please re-register, Yuko just bites.

12Bravo20
February 26, 2008, 01:26 PM
I have a Firestar and really like the pistol. I haven't and any problems with it and it is one of the most accurate pistols that I own. Too bad that Star went out of business.
http://www.kilroy-was-here.org/firestar1.jpg

lechiffre
February 27, 2008, 09:59 PM
bersa thunder 40

modifiedbrowning
February 27, 2008, 10:27 PM
I'm with lechiffre.
Although, Bersa doesn't offer a .40 Ultracompact under their name it is available as a Firestorm.
Firestorm Mini 40 (http://www.firestorm-sgs.com/minispecs.htm)

gbelleh
February 27, 2008, 11:14 PM
I really like Bersas, except for the internal lock I'm trying to avoid. (My Bersa Thunder .380 is pre-lock).

I'll probably end up getting a CPO Sig 229 while I still can.

kerank
February 27, 2008, 11:22 PM
Sig 239 gets my vote in all metal. Very accurate, very reliable, more concealable than most.

RyanM
February 27, 2008, 11:24 PM
I have an older Kahr MK40, going on 9 years old I think. It's a great gun. Very reliable.

gbelleh
February 27, 2008, 11:33 PM
I actually had an MK40 several years ago, but sold it due to the weight and relatively low capacity.

nitestocker
February 28, 2008, 02:55 AM
try the cz 40p i have one and its great i just got some laser grips for it from a guy who had a czpo1 they fit perfect altogether i have 500.00 in her 300.00 for a new cz40p and 200.00 for the grips this is one of my carry guns the outher is a Taurus 651 ti. i really like the cz

DWARREN123
February 28, 2008, 06:00 PM
The CZ's have somewhat of a rep for FTF, I know I had one. Good except for that problem.
I like all steel also but after doing all sorts of research and trying I had to go with GLOCK on the 40 S&W.

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