[Drjones]

So I was talking with a friend last night, and somehow the recall came up.

He said basically; that the recall is "undemocratic," undermines the system, is "partisan politics," and that the constitution basically guarantees politicians a full term once elected.

He then went on to say how Bush should be impeached. :rolleyes:

*sigh* Just thought I'd share.... :rolleyes:

[300lbGorilla]

Bahahahaha!!!

I believe the correct term (that I picked up from another THR'er) for your friend is: blissninny.

:D

Funny stuff... thanks for sharing.

[Duncan Idaho]

Your friend should get a job doing stand-up comedy. Nobody has been that dead-pan since Stephen Wright.

[Sergeant Bob]

My friend says the recall is "undemocratic."
You really can't get much more democratic than a recall.

[Drjones]

You really can't get much more democratic than a recall.

My sentiments exactly. I told him that a recall is democracy at its finest.

I also told him that the .gov exists to serve the people, NOT the other way around.

He obviously has views to the contrary, which is fine, but he's dead wrong and would probably be much happier in communist/facist china with views like his. :rolleyes:

[seeker_two]

Ask him what true democracy is....

Post his answer here...

This should be REALLY entertaining... :D

[jdege]

Tom Lehrer understood Democracy:

For might makes right,
And till they've seen the light,
They've got to be protected,
All their rights respected,
Till somebody we like can be elected.

[ACP]

Yes, your friend is wrong. The recall effort is democracy at its finest. As for Bush being impeached? Let's wait and see...

[hops]

Seems democratic to me. Either the CA legislature can impeach Davis and kick him out, or the voters will, via the recall mechanism, impeach Davis and kick him out. Better to let the people do it than the legislature. Why always delegate your power. Time for direct use of power. Seems very democratic to me.

[longeyes]

You still talk to liberals about politics? Been there, done that.
Pointless. You bring reason and facts; they bring pique and unction.
No thanks. Keep your powder dry, literally and figuratively.

[Mike Irwin]

But impeachment ISN'T democratic...

It is, however, a function of government in a representative republic, which the United States is.

[WYO]

It's as democratic as the "referendum du jour" attitude of many states, including California.

[longeyes]

Mike,

How many Americans know we live in a Republic? How many know what
that means? How many care? How many that a Republic is "elitist?"

Recently I had a major blow-out with a liberal friend over just
that distinction. Liberals like democracy; it makes them feel
part of that great carnival of flesh that consumerism is heir to.

[Waitone]

One mind says it is perfectly democratic to recall a governor.

The other mind asks, "hey, bub! Whatever happened to living with the consequences of your actions?" The good citizens of the PRK elected many officials in addition to the governor who helped create a socialist paradise. So why should they not live with the consequences? Enduring Grey Doofus for 3 more years may be just what the doctor ordered. Maybe the voters will think twice about pulling an ill-advised stunt again.

[Duncan Idaho]

Drjones,

I hope you are paying attention to Longeyes. Their is a great deal of wisdom in what he is saying.

[Hkmp5sd]

The interesting thing about Davis fighting the recall is he is trying to get his name on the election ballot. That means he could be recalled by the majority of voters and still be elected governor by a minority of voters if the votes are split between the assorted candidates and he manages to scrape a few more percent than everyone else.

[BenW]

Funny that the people complaining about the recall are the same people that took the state to court to overturn prop187, which won by a large majority. Guess it all depends on who's getting the benefit of the "undemocratic" activity.

[C.R.Sam]

Democracy...two wolves and a sheep voting on who to have for lunch.

Republic...Two wolves and an armed sheep ordering pizza.

Sam....stole it somewhere.

[Shalako]

What's undemocratic about holding someone accountable for the job that they were hired for? The democracy really shines through when a collective voice says, "Fire his ***!"

That part is kinda fun too.

[Standing Wolf]

Liberals like democracy; it makes them feel part of that great carnival of flesh that consumerism is heir to.

The leftist extremists like to talk about democracy, but they steadfastly have anything to do with it in actual practice, and are doing everything possible to undermine everything egalitarian about America.

[longeyes]

Perhaps I should have put democracy in quotes. What I meant, of
course, was mobocracy, not the protection of individual rights.

[Deepdiver]

Well, Drjones, I am truly sorry for your friend.

.....a mind is just a terrible thing to waste.

[Kaylee]

it's perfectly democratic. I think what your friend meant to say was "anti-Democrat." Not that that's a bad thing. :)

no recall, but impeachment.....so... what you're saying is that someone should always serve out his term once elected.....except when you don't like him? wheeeeee! how fun.

[Mike Irwin]

""hey, bub! Whatever happened to living with the consequences of your actions?"


waitone,

And the third, and perhaps most rational, mind says "Hey, I may have screwed up, and I'm now living with the consequences of my actions, but that doesn't mean for a SECOND that I can't take remedial steps designed to negate the consequences."

[Zundfolge]

the recall is not undemocratic, however it is un-Democratic ;)

at any rate, you need to start hanging out with a better class of people :p

[4570Rick]

Simply put; the recall is democracy in action.:D


Anyone who can’t grasp this concept should not be allowed to vote.:what: :neener:

[geekWithA.45]

...A mind is a terrible thing to waste....

Apparently, they've been conserving minds, and not issuing as many as they used to... it also seems that liberals tend to be the first to volunteer to "do their part to address this grave social and environmental issue" and decline installation of a mind. :rolleyes:

[Drjones]

Apparently, they've been conserving minds, and not issuing as many as they used to... it also seems that liberals tend to be the first to volunteer to "do their part to address this grave social and environmental issue" and decline installation of a mind. BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!! SO true!!!


at any rate, you need to start hanging out with a better class of people Tell me about it. I actually do not hang out with him very often anymore. You can see why. He and some of his new friends just smoke weed ALL THE TIME, and I hate being around that stuff.


no recall, but impeachment.....so... what you're saying is that someone should always serve out his term once elected.....except when you don't like him? wheeeeee! how fun. That was basically his logic. This is also the same friend who was ready to enlist a while ago to "give back to the country that has given him so much." (That's actually what he said.) :scrutiny:

:rolleyes:

[HankB]

Sounds like the original poster's friend has a lot in common with Baghdad Bob.

[Carlos Cabeza]

Where I'm from if you can't do your job to the satisfaction of the management you get fired.

He works for the people of the state of California, and theyr'e unhappy with his performance. Bottom Line.

[10-Ring]

It's democracy at its finest! You get elected into office, do a poor job, & the people have you removed before you can do more damage.

[10-Ring]

Oh, by the way, Mr Davis, here's the address to the EDD office in Sacramento!

800 Capitol Mall # 5000
Sacramento, CA

[grampster]

As usual, Sam hits nail on head, few words.


grampster

[Sean Cloherty]

Perhaps he menat "un-Democratic" which would be correct because it is unlikely that a Demorat will fill the vacancy.

[WAGCEVP]

there are those who say that those of us non democrats who voted AGAINST comrade Mckinney in the demo primary was "un-democratic and underminded the system, but hey, they've done it for forty years, it's a thing called double standard - we do it to you and it's politicall freedom, you do it to us - it's undemocratic and undermines the system...... go figger
:rolleyes: :confused: :what:

[Drjones]

Oh, you guys are going to DIE when you hear THIS:

He said that a GREEN PARTY candidate is going to win this election because there will be too many repub. candidates!!!!!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

[4570Rick]

He said that a GREEN PARTY candidate is going to win this election because there will be too many repub. candidates!!!!!


Yeah, we need a eco-terrorist in the governors office.:neener:

[seeker_two]

He said that a GREEN PARTY candidate is going to win this election because there will be too many repub. candidates!!!!!

I'm betting that EACH Republican candidate gets more votes than the Greenie... :p

{Ahnuld voice} Your Green Party campaign has been TERMINATED... {/Ahnuld voice} :evil:

[Duncan Idaho]

Let me guess.

Your friend is a college student.

Majoring in communication.

[Sergeant Bob]

How does your friend feel about The Governator?

[Drjones]

Let me guess.

Your friend is a college student.

Majoring in communication.


Ah, you give him too much credit, Dear Duncan.

He hasn't finished college and probably won't.

Trust fund baby.

:rolleyes:

Limousine liberal.

[Drjones]

How does your friend feel about The Governator?

Dunno, but he was very supportive of Larry Flynt. :rolleyes:

[Duncan Idaho]

He hasn't finished college and probably won'tBut what did he major in when he was in college? Ethnic Studies perhaps?

Just yanking your chain bud. :D ;) :p :D

[Drjones]

I don't remember, man....

For obvious reasons, I don't pay that much attention to him. :p

[Langenator]

He hasn't finished college and probably won't.

Trust fund baby.

:rolleyes:

Limousine liberal.

"You're just a middle class socialist brat,
From a suburban family and you've never really had to work.
Now you tell me that you got to get back
To the struggling masses, whoever they are.
You talk talk talk about their suffering and pain,
Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain."

-Oingo Boingo, "Capitalism"

[DRC]

it has been twisted into a democracy.

Our representative form of government is based on a republic but we have become represented by a democracy.

"A warning from Scots Historian Professor Alexander Tyler, circa 1787,
Re: The Fall of the Athenian Republic.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse (generous gifts) from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence. From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance, from abundance to complacency; from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back into bondage."

We're in year 227.

Now as to impeachment, the House votes to impeach and the Senate votes to remove from office (or not) but shouldn't one be guilty of something before wanting to impeach them? Clinton was guilty of just about everything under the sun and no one (in congress) wanted to touch it with a ten foot pole, yet here we have Bush and I already hear people crying "IMPEACH BUSH!" but I'm completely unaware of what he did that would warrant impeachment. Could I be so far out of the loop that I just don't get that information anymore or what? I've seen pictures of people with signs that also read "Impeach Bush!" and I feel like making my own sign that says "Impeach Bush for what???"

I'll just sit out here in the dark I guess and see what I can find. I too got kicked off democraticunderground because I looked at the flyers that were created that had a picture of Bush with the word "incompetent" in bold print above it. I told them the flyers looked "good" but didn't they have more? Something to substantiate that claim? I was booted. And no, they had nothing to substantiate the claim and told me to go make my own if I didn't like them :)

Take care folks,

DRC